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cat220 said:
Sure the diesel will command a higher price when you go to sell it(bearing in mind you'll pay more for it in the first place) however I'd say the V8 will be more enjoyable to own and still put a smile on your face!
No doubt. The petrol thrum will always appeal to some. Personally, I do get a buzz from blitzing the wifes 3.0si z4. If you are doing that little miles that a 745i is manageable then cool.
dibbly_dobbler said:
cat220 said:
anonymous said:
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LOL! Mind you, i guess i can understand where his prejudices come from. He drives a very tasty 328i, but for the £1000 or so its worth you'd be buying probably a 318tds or something equally horrid. Diesels have come so far since the turn of the century. But comparing like with like, i'd agree that a 328i is the better option for him than a diesel made back then.
Interestingly AutoCar magazine this week have the 330d in their top 10 new car buys, not the 330i. But i guess thats a sign of how we in the real world has progressed since the last millenium.
Edited by pgilc1 on Sunday 11th January 13:09
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noumenon said:
Would it be fair to say that the diseasal is the head choice and the petrol is the heart choice (and leave it at that)? 
No not at all. Thats not how it is. I chose the 535d because its the best all round car in the range. My last one pushed around 340BHP, 500lb/ft of torque, 0-60 in 5.5s, and topped out at 174mph, yet it was an amazing cross country weapon. There is no 5 series this side of a £60K m5 that can beat that all round combination. If it had been a 'head choice' it would have been the 520d or a 523i.
Edited by pgilc1 on Sunday 11th January 13:32
Well i've driven company diesels in various shapes and forms, though nothing as grand as a 7 series (though I did use a 735i V8 on a 52 plate for a few weeks)
And I make the folowing observations
1. I have no problem in the way modern diesels drive/perform
2. with the current fuel costs, the diesel NEEDS to be doing 10% + Mpg than the petrol
3. An old 7 series is going to be worth f
k all several years down the line (petrol or diesel) so go with the cheapest purchase price
4. There are more moving (read more EXPENSIVE parts) for failure which DO go wrong on the diesel.
Hence why my father drives a E39 525i petrol as the 'diesel' sums just did not add up for him doing less than 10k pa.
BUT
I am replacing the brothers E34 520i with a E34 525tds Touring thats dropping in my lap,as the older engine is much more reliable (though economy is not that fantastic) and should prove a great towing machine, but I dont expect any great cost savings
Bottom line is, to the OP go with a well bought 745i and forget the diesels, £2-3k buys a lot of fuel and in a few years time you will see very little back
Half of fk all is still fk all!
And I make the folowing observations
1. I have no problem in the way modern diesels drive/perform
2. with the current fuel costs, the diesel NEEDS to be doing 10% + Mpg than the petrol
3. An old 7 series is going to be worth f
k all several years down the line (petrol or diesel) so go with the cheapest purchase price 4. There are more moving (read more EXPENSIVE parts) for failure which DO go wrong on the diesel.
Hence why my father drives a E39 525i petrol as the 'diesel' sums just did not add up for him doing less than 10k pa.
BUT
I am replacing the brothers E34 520i with a E34 525tds Touring thats dropping in my lap,as the older engine is much more reliable (though economy is not that fantastic) and should prove a great towing machine, but I dont expect any great cost savings
Bottom line is, to the OP go with a well bought 745i and forget the diesels, £2-3k buys a lot of fuel and in a few years time you will see very little back
Half of f
k all is still fk all!Edited by Mustard on Sunday 11th January 13:34
Buy wisely and the 730d neednt cost £2000-£3000 more than the 745i.
Ultimately all cars eventually are worth nothing, but when a 745i has dropped to £1500, i could easily forsee the 730d being worth £3000.
Thats backed up on autotrader if you look at older diesel / petrol variants. Cheapest listed 525d with less than 100K miles is a 1999 525d SE at £2995. Next cheapest is £4K. Cheapest 1999 petrol 5 series with less than 100K miles is just £1795.
Ultimately all cars eventually are worth nothing, but when a 745i has dropped to £1500, i could easily forsee the 730d being worth £3000.
Thats backed up on autotrader if you look at older diesel / petrol variants. Cheapest listed 525d with less than 100K miles is a 1999 525d SE at £2995. Next cheapest is £4K. Cheapest 1999 petrol 5 series with less than 100K miles is just £1795.
pgilc1 said:
dibbly_dobbler said:
cat220 said:
anonymous said:
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LOL! Mind you, i guess i can understand where his prejudices come from. He drives a very tasty 328i, but for the £1000 or so its worth you'd be buying probably a 318tds or something equally horrid. Diesels have come so far since the turn of the century. But comparing like with like, i'd agree that a 328i is the better option for him than a diesel made back then.
Interestingly AutoCar magazine this week have the 330d in their top 10 new car buys, not the 330i. But i guess thats a sign of how we in the real world has progressed since the last millenium.
Edited by pgilc1 on Sunday 11th January 13:09
Edited by pgilc1 on Sunday 11th January 13:31
anonymous said:
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An alternative explanation is that i can see the petrol / diesel debate and can see both sides - given we have a 535d and a z4 3.0Si Coupe. I'm not prejudiced into thinking that diesel buyers can only possibly have a 'herd mentality'.The reason that i take so much time to ridicule your posts is that they are so vastly out of touch with reality and also because its like shooting fish in a barrel.
It really is a mentality quite literally from the last century.
Assuming you do actually accept that we are living in the 21st century now, care to comment on Autocars choice of the 330d as a top ten new car buy, over the 330i? I see you conveniently 'forgot' to do that in your wave of drivel.
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anonymous said:
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Responded from my sons laptop downstairs - he was logged on as munky1275 and i didnt realise - he was watching you ignore direct questions again.I apologise if that confused you - which is hardly difficult.
So back to the point in hand - would you care to comment on how a car magazine with over 100 years of publishing under its belt, recommends the 330d over any other BMW, and over most cars (given its in its top 10)
I know its hard for you to relate to that, but for info, thats a diesel car made in this century.
Edited by pgilc1 on Sunday 11th January 16:12
Edited by pgilc1 on Sunday 11th January 16:13
anonymous said:
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I didnt say you were stupid (though if the hat fits) i said you were easily confused. Demonstrated by the fact you seem to be able to ignore direct questions, so for the FIFTH time - would you care to comment on how a car magazine with over 100 years of publishing under its belt, recommends the 330d over the 330i, over any other BMW, and over most cars (given its in its top 10)Gassing Station | BMW General | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff