RE: PH2 Tested: 2012 BMW S1000RR
Discussion
STHi said:
Why? It's probably more forgiving than a lot of other bikes out there and if it's a first bike then they're less likely to push it too hard.
Because as someone said earlier an experienced rider does not need to think as much when operating the controls it becomes instintive with practice and it can be the difference between suviving a situation and not.i will grant you that in someways a bigger machine can be easier to ride and sometimes that can also make even the best riders careless.can't wait to get on it, their dyno won,t lie either
I wonder what it would read at the one beside you, probably 210,ha
I wonder what it would read at the one beside you, probably 210,ha
Biker's Nemesis said:
Just had my track partner on the phone, his S100RR has been on the Swan Yamaha Dyno and produced 203.7 bhp with a full system and ECU re map.
He's had the forks and rear shock done. First test in at Jerez in a couple of weeks.
He's had the forks and rear shock done. First test in at Jerez in a couple of weeks.
a la pub landlord - whats the point??
200 hp on the road? awesome but is it really fun? My biking history goes up through various gixxers (600, 750, 1000), blades (893, 929 & 954) and even an R1 but I find myself going slower than ever, what with old age, kids and the speed kills mania its just not worth it. My bike will at least carry me 300 miles in comfort and still do 150 if I ever need to.. (Triumph ST1050) As for track days, better going racing aren't you?
My 2p worth lol
Coops
200 hp on the road? awesome but is it really fun? My biking history goes up through various gixxers (600, 750, 1000), blades (893, 929 & 954) and even an R1 but I find myself going slower than ever, what with old age, kids and the speed kills mania its just not worth it. My bike will at least carry me 300 miles in comfort and still do 150 if I ever need to.. (Triumph ST1050) As for track days, better going racing aren't you?
My 2p worth lol
Coops
cooperd5 said:
a la pub landlord - whats the point??
200 hp on the road? awesome but is it really fun? My biking history goes up through various gixxers (600, 750, 1000), blades (893, 929 & 954) and even an R1 but I find myself going slower than ever, what with old age, kids and the speed kills mania its just not worth it. My bike will at least carry me 300 miles in comfort and still do 150 if I ever need to.. (Triumph ST1050) As for track days, better going racing aren't you?
My 2p worth lol
Coops
When you start talking about comfort you know you've stumbled across the wrong page.200 hp on the road? awesome but is it really fun? My biking history goes up through various gixxers (600, 750, 1000), blades (893, 929 & 954) and even an R1 but I find myself going slower than ever, what with old age, kids and the speed kills mania its just not worth it. My bike will at least carry me 300 miles in comfort and still do 150 if I ever need to.. (Triumph ST1050) As for track days, better going racing aren't you?
My 2p worth lol
Coops
200bhp is truly unbelievable though.
I'm about to put my '10 S1k on the market and probably go back to a 'Blade.... amazing on the track but not so good on the road.
I've had it about 12 months now, done around 5000km mostly on road. While the acceleration is mind-bending when you slam through the gears with the quick shifter, it's still not as confidence inspiring as my old 'Blade or VFR in the twisties and because of that, not as fast. I'm not sure if it's because of the heavy-handed electronic interference but I still find it unpredictable.
Despite (or because of) the electronic safety net, I managed to high-side it coming out of a low-speed corner a few months ago, as I pulled her up the revs shot up rapidly, which isn't supposed to happen in 'sports' mode, the rear went sideways and the electronic brain cut power while the meat brain was trying to keep it on... luckily not too much damage but I'm not sure it would've gone that way if it hadn't cut the power at all or if it had cut the power when it was supposed to. I've come away from that incident feeling very disappointed in the bike (and myself to be honest).
Whilst I'm convinced ABS is a must on any bike, I'm not convinced DTC is really necessary on the road. For a while there I thought Honda, Aprilia etc. were falling behind by not having it on their litre bikes but now I realise the 'Blade and RSV4 are so well sorted to begin with they don't really need DTC, whereas the S1k is just too manic without it, or even with it. I would even go so far as to say that DTC probably makes the bike more dangerous as less experienced or skilled riders, who should normally stick to a 600 - 750, will now go and buy a litre bike thinking their lack of experience will be compensated for by DTC, and yes, I am including myself in that group.
Also, comparing the DTC on the stock S1k to the DTC on the track bikes is misleading, the track bikes have the optional race ECU/DTC installed which is more advanced and adjustable than stock.
In short... don't believe the hype, there are better and ultimately faster bikes out there, even though they don't have the all big numbers or all the acronyms in the specs.
I've had it about 12 months now, done around 5000km mostly on road. While the acceleration is mind-bending when you slam through the gears with the quick shifter, it's still not as confidence inspiring as my old 'Blade or VFR in the twisties and because of that, not as fast. I'm not sure if it's because of the heavy-handed electronic interference but I still find it unpredictable.
Despite (or because of) the electronic safety net, I managed to high-side it coming out of a low-speed corner a few months ago, as I pulled her up the revs shot up rapidly, which isn't supposed to happen in 'sports' mode, the rear went sideways and the electronic brain cut power while the meat brain was trying to keep it on... luckily not too much damage but I'm not sure it would've gone that way if it hadn't cut the power at all or if it had cut the power when it was supposed to. I've come away from that incident feeling very disappointed in the bike (and myself to be honest).
Whilst I'm convinced ABS is a must on any bike, I'm not convinced DTC is really necessary on the road. For a while there I thought Honda, Aprilia etc. were falling behind by not having it on their litre bikes but now I realise the 'Blade and RSV4 are so well sorted to begin with they don't really need DTC, whereas the S1k is just too manic without it, or even with it. I would even go so far as to say that DTC probably makes the bike more dangerous as less experienced or skilled riders, who should normally stick to a 600 - 750, will now go and buy a litre bike thinking their lack of experience will be compensated for by DTC, and yes, I am including myself in that group.
Also, comparing the DTC on the stock S1k to the DTC on the track bikes is misleading, the track bikes have the optional race ECU/DTC installed which is more advanced and adjustable than stock.
In short... don't believe the hype, there are better and ultimately faster bikes out there, even though they don't have the all big numbers or all the acronyms in the specs.
damnradd said:
I'm about to put my '10 S1k on the market and probably go back to a 'Blade.... amazing on the track but not so good on the road.
I've had it about 12 months now, done around 5000km mostly on road. While the acceleration is mind-bending when you slam through the gears with the quick shifter, it's still not as confidence inspiring as my old 'Blade or VFR in the twisties and because of that, not as fast. I'm not sure if it's because of the heavy-handed electronic interference but I still find it unpredictable.
Despite (or because of) the electronic safety net, I managed to high-side it coming out of a low-speed corner a few months ago, as I pulled her up the revs shot up rapidly, which isn't supposed to happen in 'sports' mode, the rear went sideways and the electronic brain cut power while the meat brain was trying to keep it on... luckily not too much damage but I'm not sure it would've gone that way if it hadn't cut the power at all or if it had cut the power when it was supposed to. I've come away from that incident feeling very disappointed in the bike (and myself to be honest).
Whilst I'm convinced ABS is a must on any bike, I'm not convinced DTC is really necessary on the road. For a while there I thought Honda, Aprilia etc. were falling behind by not having it on their litre bikes but now I realise the 'Blade and RSV4 are so well sorted to begin with they don't really need DTC, whereas the S1k is just too manic without it, or even with it. I would even go so far as to say that DTC probably makes the bike more dangerous as less experienced or skilled riders, who should normally stick to a 600 - 750, will now go and buy a litre bike thinking their lack of experience will be compensated for by DTC, and yes, I am including myself in that group.
Also, comparing the DTC on the stock S1k to the DTC on the track bikes is misleading, the track bikes have the optional race ECU/DTC installed which is more advanced and adjustable than stock.
In short... don't believe the hype, there are better and ultimately faster bikes out there, even though they don't have the all big numbers or all the acronyms in the specs.
That pretty well sums up my thuoghts on the S1k, after mine was run in (mostly by Bikers Nemises)I did 1 run on the road and tbh didn't like it much, I also had at the time an 09 R1 which for me was a much better road bike. Not as fast in a staight line but deffo faster from A to B on a run out.I've had it about 12 months now, done around 5000km mostly on road. While the acceleration is mind-bending when you slam through the gears with the quick shifter, it's still not as confidence inspiring as my old 'Blade or VFR in the twisties and because of that, not as fast. I'm not sure if it's because of the heavy-handed electronic interference but I still find it unpredictable.
Despite (or because of) the electronic safety net, I managed to high-side it coming out of a low-speed corner a few months ago, as I pulled her up the revs shot up rapidly, which isn't supposed to happen in 'sports' mode, the rear went sideways and the electronic brain cut power while the meat brain was trying to keep it on... luckily not too much damage but I'm not sure it would've gone that way if it hadn't cut the power at all or if it had cut the power when it was supposed to. I've come away from that incident feeling very disappointed in the bike (and myself to be honest).
Whilst I'm convinced ABS is a must on any bike, I'm not convinced DTC is really necessary on the road. For a while there I thought Honda, Aprilia etc. were falling behind by not having it on their litre bikes but now I realise the 'Blade and RSV4 are so well sorted to begin with they don't really need DTC, whereas the S1k is just too manic without it, or even with it. I would even go so far as to say that DTC probably makes the bike more dangerous as less experienced or skilled riders, who should normally stick to a 600 - 750, will now go and buy a litre bike thinking their lack of experience will be compensated for by DTC, and yes, I am including myself in that group.
Also, comparing the DTC on the stock S1k to the DTC on the track bikes is misleading, the track bikes have the optional race ECU/DTC installed which is more advanced and adjustable than stock.
In short... don't believe the hype, there are better and ultimately faster bikes out there, even though they don't have the all big numbers or all the acronyms in the specs.
Which brings me round to my road bike now a 2011 'multistrada' I absolutly love it, after buying it, doing TT, 2's up paniers and all and a few runs solo with BM and his nutty mates, I'm converted I will never have another sports bike on the road.
Cosequently the S1k is turned into a track bike and wether or not I'm able to use 204 bhp there remains to be seen ;-O
666AKY said:
damnradd said:
I'm about to put my '10 S1k on the market and probably go back to a 'Blade.... amazing on the track but not so good on the road.
I've had it about 12 months now, done around 5000km mostly on road. While the acceleration is mind-bending when you slam through the gears with the quick shifter, it's still not as confidence inspiring as my old 'Blade or VFR in the twisties and because of that, not as fast. I'm not sure if it's because of the heavy-handed electronic interference but I still find it unpredictable.
Despite (or because of) the electronic safety net, I managed to high-side it coming out of a low-speed corner a few months ago, as I pulled her up the revs shot up rapidly, which isn't supposed to happen in 'sports' mode, the rear went sideways and the electronic brain cut power while the meat brain was trying to keep it on... luckily not too much damage but I'm not sure it would've gone that way if it hadn't cut the power at all or if it had cut the power when it was supposed to. I've come away from that incident feeling very disappointed in the bike (and myself to be honest).
Whilst I'm convinced ABS is a must on any bike, I'm not convinced DTC is really necessary on the road. For a while there I thought Honda, Aprilia etc. were falling behind by not having it on their litre bikes but now I realise the 'Blade and RSV4 are so well sorted to begin with they don't really need DTC, whereas the S1k is just too manic without it, or even with it. I would even go so far as to say that DTC probably makes the bike more dangerous as less experienced or skilled riders, who should normally stick to a 600 - 750, will now go and buy a litre bike thinking their lack of experience will be compensated for by DTC, and yes, I am including myself in that group.
Also, comparing the DTC on the stock S1k to the DTC on the track bikes is misleading, the track bikes have the optional race ECU/DTC installed which is more advanced and adjustable than stock.
In short... don't believe the hype, there are better and ultimately faster bikes out there, even though they don't have the all big numbers or all the acronyms in the specs.
That pretty well sums up my thuoghts on the S1k, after mine was run in (mostly by Bikers Nemises)I did 1 run on the road and tbh didn't like it much, I also had at the time an 09 R1 which for me was a much better road bike. Not as fast in a staight line but deffo faster from A to B on a run out.I've had it about 12 months now, done around 5000km mostly on road. While the acceleration is mind-bending when you slam through the gears with the quick shifter, it's still not as confidence inspiring as my old 'Blade or VFR in the twisties and because of that, not as fast. I'm not sure if it's because of the heavy-handed electronic interference but I still find it unpredictable.
Despite (or because of) the electronic safety net, I managed to high-side it coming out of a low-speed corner a few months ago, as I pulled her up the revs shot up rapidly, which isn't supposed to happen in 'sports' mode, the rear went sideways and the electronic brain cut power while the meat brain was trying to keep it on... luckily not too much damage but I'm not sure it would've gone that way if it hadn't cut the power at all or if it had cut the power when it was supposed to. I've come away from that incident feeling very disappointed in the bike (and myself to be honest).
Whilst I'm convinced ABS is a must on any bike, I'm not convinced DTC is really necessary on the road. For a while there I thought Honda, Aprilia etc. were falling behind by not having it on their litre bikes but now I realise the 'Blade and RSV4 are so well sorted to begin with they don't really need DTC, whereas the S1k is just too manic without it, or even with it. I would even go so far as to say that DTC probably makes the bike more dangerous as less experienced or skilled riders, who should normally stick to a 600 - 750, will now go and buy a litre bike thinking their lack of experience will be compensated for by DTC, and yes, I am including myself in that group.
Also, comparing the DTC on the stock S1k to the DTC on the track bikes is misleading, the track bikes have the optional race ECU/DTC installed which is more advanced and adjustable than stock.
In short... don't believe the hype, there are better and ultimately faster bikes out there, even though they don't have the all big numbers or all the acronyms in the specs.
Which brings me round to my road bike now a 2011 'multistrada' I absolutly love it, after buying it, doing TT, 2's up paniers and all and a few runs solo with BM and his nutty mates, I'm converted I will never have another sports bike on the road.
Cosequently the S1k is turned into a track bike and wether or not I'm able to use 204 bhp there remains to be seen ;-O
Second poster: How does the Multistrada hold up when hooning it? I'm going to try and test ride one this week as it seems like my perfect bike. A pure mix of everything. Have you had any reliability issues yet? I have read alot of Multistrada owners having issues with the rear brake. I'd really like one, but being a Honda man I'm put off by Ducati reliability.
obscene said:
Second poster: How does the Multistrada hold up when hooning it? I'm going to try and test ride one this week as it seems like my perfect bike. A pure mix of everything. Have you had any reliability issues yet? I have read alot of Multistrada owners having issues with the rear brake. I'd really like one, but being a Honda man I'm put off by Ducati reliability.
I did this to my rear tyre chasing him.
obscene said:
Nuff said I guess.
Now why the feck can't they be as reliable as jap bikes, I need one in my life.
I don't know about that... I have a duc 800ss 2006... I ride only 5000 km a year.. Never had a breakdown... I crossed Canada from Calgary to Montreal and now I ride a lot in the Austrian alps... Never been left on the side of the road or had stupid high service billsNow why the feck can't they be as reliable as jap bikes, I need one in my life.
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