RE: PH2 ridden: Yamaha TMAX
Discussion
NAS said:
For those of you who don't "get it", just once, ride one for 10 miles through town, narrow b-roads, even motorways.
EVERYone who does comes away in love with it. I promise you.
And all this "8500 pounds for a scooter" nonsense means you don't get it. Look at the build. The components. The frame. The transmssion. The dash. Those are extremely high quality components. You want a cheap scoot? PCX 125. End of. You want something special? T-max.
This. Absolutely this. EVERYone who does comes away in love with it. I promise you.
And all this "8500 pounds for a scooter" nonsense means you don't get it. Look at the build. The components. The frame. The transmssion. The dash. Those are extremely high quality components. You want a cheap scoot? PCX 125. End of. You want something special? T-max.
I was at our local Yamaha dealers a few years ago at an open day, they had a Tmax on demo. I'd missed a slot on something else when my other half was about to go on a test ride, one of the guys suggested I take the Tmax. I went out thinking "how the hell did I get suckered into riding this overblown burger-van?"
Throw your preconceptions out of the window and they're actually very good, very relaxing to ride, well built and comfortable. I could see myself touring on one of these.
When I got back, I was very surprised to find myself suggesting to other people waiting demos on other bikes to take the Tmax out "while they were waiting". Don't know how many they sold, but quite a few bods that went out on them came back nodding to there mates and pointing, to which said mates started climbing on the Tmax.
They are too expensive for us lot in soggy Blighty as we always look at what sportsbike we could get for the money. But they are very good at what they do.
Long live the Tmax, I say.
NAS said:
For those of you who don't "get it", just once, ride one for 10 miles through town, narrow b-roads, even motorways.
EVERYone who does comes away in love with it. I promise you.
And all this "8500 pounds for a scooter" nonsense means you don't get it. Look at the build. The components. The frame. The transmssion. The dash. Those are extremely high quality components. You want a cheap scoot? PCX 125. End of. You want something special? T-max.
I don't want a scooter full stop, why would I want to try one 10 miles through town or down a motorway when I don't use a bike in that way anyway.EVERYone who does comes away in love with it. I promise you.
And all this "8500 pounds for a scooter" nonsense means you don't get it. Look at the build. The components. The frame. The transmssion. The dash. Those are extremely high quality components. You want a cheap scoot? PCX 125. End of. You want something special? T-max.
I'd rather have a second hand Multistrada. 8.5k for a scooter seems way over the mark in my eyes. Whats good about the frame? Whats so good about the transmission compared to any other motorcycle out there.
The dash? Are you saying that a dash makes a motorcycle? Tell you what, add another 2 wheels, a roof, a couple of doors then maybe a nice dash would be a good talking point with strangers at a petrol station. If it had all that I'd still think it was overpriced at 8.5k.
It's a pile of poo, end of!
Biker's Nemesis said:
It's a pile of poo, end of!
Eeerrrmmm. Wrong. Ride one. Check it out. Then come back to me. To start with, it's not build like a scoot. It's an automatic motorcycle for want of a better description. Look at the build of the frame.
Those old fashioned "values" of "it's got no gears, so it must be crap" are laughable, especially if you cannot speak from experience. If you rode one and hated it, it'd be another story.
Hellbound said:
Biker's Nemesis said:
I don't want a scooter full stop, why would I want to try one 10 miles through town or down a motorway when I don't use a bike in that way anyway.
Erm. Then it's obvious this one isn't for you. It's designed to be versatile and comfortable.NAS said:
Eeerrrmmm. Wrong.
Ride one. Check it out. Then come back to me. To start with, it's not build like a scoot. It's an automatic motorcycle for want of a better description. Look at the build of the frame.
Those old fashioned "values" of "it's got no gears, so it must be crap" are laughable, especially if you cannot speak from experience. If you rode one and hated it, it'd be another story.
Who mentioned that if "it's got no gears so it must be crap"?Ride one. Check it out. Then come back to me. To start with, it's not build like a scoot. It's an automatic motorcycle for want of a better description. Look at the build of the frame.
Those old fashioned "values" of "it's got no gears, so it must be crap" are laughable, especially if you cannot speak from experience. If you rode one and hated it, it'd be another story.
How do you know what I may or may not have ridden.
I have plenty of experience at riding all types of motorcycles over the last 30 years.
Next time I ride one I'll stick the Go pro camera on just to reinforce my opinion for you that I don't think it's worth 8.5k.
Biker's Nemesis said:
Who mentioned that if "it's got no gears so it must be crap"?
How do you know what I may or may not have ridden.
I have plenty of experience at riding all types of motorcycles over the last 30 years.
Next time I ride one I'll stick the Go pro camera on just to reinforce my opinion for you that I don't think it's worth 8.5k.
Ok, we'll also need to see footage of you logging onto PH and making comments whilst riding the TMax too. Holding a tin of custard will strengthen your case.How do you know what I may or may not have ridden.
I have plenty of experience at riding all types of motorcycles over the last 30 years.
Next time I ride one I'll stick the Go pro camera on just to reinforce my opinion for you that I don't think it's worth 8.5k.
Biker's Nemesis said:
NAS said:
Eeerrrmmm. Wrong.
Ride one. Check it out. Then come back to me. To start with, it's not build like a scoot. It's an automatic motorcycle for want of a better description. Look at the build of the frame.
Those old fashioned "values" of "it's got no gears, so it must be crap" are laughable, especially if you cannot speak from experience. If you rode one and hated it, it'd be another story.
Who mentioned that if "it's got no gears so it must be crap"?Ride one. Check it out. Then come back to me. To start with, it's not build like a scoot. It's an automatic motorcycle for want of a better description. Look at the build of the frame.
Those old fashioned "values" of "it's got no gears, so it must be crap" are laughable, especially if you cannot speak from experience. If you rode one and hated it, it'd be another story.
How do you know what I may or may not have ridden.
I have plenty of experience at riding all types of motorcycles over the last 30 years.
Next time I ride one I'll stick the Go pro camera on just to reinforce my opinion for you that I don't think it's worth 8.5k.
Biker's Nemesis said:
I don't want a scooter full stop, why would I want to try one 10 miles through town or down a motorway when I don't use a bike in that way anyway.
And I took that as : I don't want to try it out. As in : I've not ridden one and have no desire to in the future as well. If you have and didn't like it, you will be the first person ever who I've spoken to who will feel that way. Or think it's not worth the money. And I've met 100s of people who've tested one. Including many many racers.
Fleegle said:
John
you should listen to these people. A Tmax will do everything you need it to do and more. Scooters are the way forward
Will you get charged more to take it over when we go to Portimao. After all, its a bloated pig that will probably need 2 pallets
I think I'll take one. If it's so good and versatile I'll be at the front of the fast group like I'd be on my R1..you should listen to these people. A Tmax will do everything you need it to do and more. Scooters are the way forward
Will you get charged more to take it over when we go to Portimao. After all, its a bloated pig that will probably need 2 pallets
...An R1 (not my actual bike) that gets ridden all around the world by Nick Saunders, commutes and can do track work.
Now, thats what I call verasatile.
Harry H said:
spareparts said:
Have you ever commuted on a GS800 through London?
Not on a GS800 no, but every day for the last two years on a GS1200 and for two years before that on a TMax. So I've done it for 50,000 miles on both bikes which kinda makes me an expert in my book.In all honesty there's not a lot in it between the two apart from the GS is a darn sight better once I get on to the 15 mile stretch of A3
PS, the A3 is not what I would consider London commuting
Why is it that PH4 considers the lower end of the car scale to be 'un-PH-worthy', but PH2 gives us maxi-scooters and 250cc commuters?
Anyway, the Tmax - I'm sure it will do well for those after a utilitarian two-wheeler, I just think that a smaller scooter will do the town thing just as quickly (if not quicker) for much cheaper. The open road thing, weeeeeeell, it doesn't exactly ignite the passion, does it? I ride for the thrill, and even with admittedly OK looks, it's not going to deliver in the bends. I'm assuming the rider in the vid was slowing down for the bends because the the scooter would deck out at any higher speed.
It's just so middle of the road that middle of the road people will love them for having 'everything' in one package. I just can't get on board with the 'jack of all trades, master of none' quality in a bike, I suppose.
Anyway, the Tmax - I'm sure it will do well for those after a utilitarian two-wheeler, I just think that a smaller scooter will do the town thing just as quickly (if not quicker) for much cheaper. The open road thing, weeeeeeell, it doesn't exactly ignite the passion, does it? I ride for the thrill, and even with admittedly OK looks, it's not going to deliver in the bends. I'm assuming the rider in the vid was slowing down for the bends because the the scooter would deck out at any higher speed.
It's just so middle of the road that middle of the road people will love them for having 'everything' in one package. I just can't get on board with the 'jack of all trades, master of none' quality in a bike, I suppose.
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