BMW S1000RR Recall
Discussion
3doorPete said:
Would it not self destruct pretty quickly once there was play? Assuming it doesn't sound like a bag of nails - which again I would assume it would given the rod would be moving away and slamming into the crank every revolution (perhaps a high frequency clacking noise?), I would have thought it would be fine and just needing gaskets and bolts?
I guess it would depend on how quickly it was loosening. The looser the fit, the more likely you are to get excessive wear - this should occur on the soft bearing surface (the shell in the rod which I assume they'd change as a matter of course) but it won't help the main bearing on the crank pin either.If it loosens quickly, it will as you say clack for a bit then bang - this is when you'd get holes in your cases and fall off. If it's caught during the loosening then all of the oiling - which is calculated with a set clearance in mind - would be to cock too. There's no practical way of measuring the roundness/ovality of a crank pin insitu. We measure it here using either a specific roundness machine (which is bloody huge, and measures to decimals of microns (1000ths of a mm)) or simply with a micromenter at numerous positions around the diameter for a quick check. Neither of which you'd be able to get in and do with the crank still in an engine. If the bolts were found to be loose, I'd certainly be insisting on them removing the crank and at lease checking the roundness of all the bearing surfaces.
srob said:
3doorPete said:
Would it not self destruct pretty quickly once there was play? Assuming it doesn't sound like a bag of nails - which again I would assume it would given the rod would be moving away and slamming into the crank every revolution (perhaps a high frequency clacking noise?), I would have thought it would be fine and just needing gaskets and bolts?
I guess it would depend on how quickly it was loosening. The looser the fit, the more likely you are to get excessive wear - this should occur on the soft bearing surface (the shell in the rod which I assume they'd change as a matter of course) but it won't help the main bearing on the crank pin either.If it loosens quickly, it will as you say clack for a bit then bang - this is when you'd get holes in your cases and fall off. If it's caught during the loosening then all of the oiling - which is calculated with a set clearance in mind - would be to cock too. There's no practical way of measuring the roundness/ovality of a crank pin insitu. We measure it here using either a specific roundness machine (which is bloody huge, and measures to decimals of microns (1000ths of a mm)) or simply with a micromenter at numerous positions around the diameter for a quick check. Neither of which you'd be able to get in and do with the crank still in an engine. If the bolts were found to be loose, I'd certainly be insisting on them removing the crank and at lease checking the roundness of all the bearing surfaces.
oh dear 
S1000RRforum:
I spoke to a customer relations agent regarding this recall because I own a 2012 S1000RR, which I have purchased in March 2012. Although he could not give me any info if my bike was affected, I straight up (in a nice way) told him that I am not letting any technician pull my engine out, my bike has 400 miles on it and is as fresh as new. I insisted that the only way I will be satisfied is with a return of my motorcycle or a new machine replaced.. The representative seemed very understandable of where I was coming from and told me that it might be an option for me to return my bike or even get a new replacement sent to me. He said I will have to wait until BMW verifies the exact vin numbers that are affected. Has anyone taken this approach with BMW USA?
My second approach would be to not get the recall done at all and just keep riding my bike as it is. If the problem starts to develop, BMW will have to fix it anyway right? It seems that this recall has only been reported once in USA.. I think that many of the bikes will not even experience this problem... Why would you fix something that is not even broken yet?? Just throwing this one out, because I did not see a single person that questioned whether its even worth doing the recall.
Im just praying that they call me and tell me that my bike is not on the list so I don't have to go through this bull ****.. After all I spent 20k on a bike and definitely not letting them pull my motor out.
I bough a new bike for a reason. I wanted to know that it hadn't been messed with by a sub-standard mechanic. This is my first BMW and depending how this works out it may be my last. ......
S1000RRforum:
I spoke to a customer relations agent regarding this recall because I own a 2012 S1000RR, which I have purchased in March 2012. Although he could not give me any info if my bike was affected, I straight up (in a nice way) told him that I am not letting any technician pull my engine out, my bike has 400 miles on it and is as fresh as new. I insisted that the only way I will be satisfied is with a return of my motorcycle or a new machine replaced.. The representative seemed very understandable of where I was coming from and told me that it might be an option for me to return my bike or even get a new replacement sent to me. He said I will have to wait until BMW verifies the exact vin numbers that are affected. Has anyone taken this approach with BMW USA?
My second approach would be to not get the recall done at all and just keep riding my bike as it is. If the problem starts to develop, BMW will have to fix it anyway right? It seems that this recall has only been reported once in USA.. I think that many of the bikes will not even experience this problem... Why would you fix something that is not even broken yet?? Just throwing this one out, because I did not see a single person that questioned whether its even worth doing the recall.
Im just praying that they call me and tell me that my bike is not on the list so I don't have to go through this bull ****.. After all I spent 20k on a bike and definitely not letting them pull my motor out.
I bough a new bike for a reason. I wanted to know that it hadn't been messed with by a sub-standard mechanic. This is my first BMW and depending how this works out it may be my last. ......
y2blade said:
I must say I am enjoying the contrast between the UK S1000RR forum and the USA one.
USA forum the read is 28 pages of dummy spitting and hissy demands.
UK forum is 4 pages of people conditioned into accepting mediocre service, long queues, who have lost the urge to fight after numerous previous crappy outcomes to poor quality or service and only have suitable riding weather for 3 months of the year, so wont miss the bike anywayfolk that are waiting patiently .
Fixed that for you Y2 USA forum the read is 28 pages of dummy spitting and hissy demands.
UK forum is 4 pages of people conditioned into accepting mediocre service, long queues, who have lost the urge to fight after numerous previous crappy outcomes to poor quality or service and only have suitable riding weather for 3 months of the year, so wont miss the bike anyway
Reardy Mister said:
y2blade said:
I must say I am enjoying the contrast between the UK S1000RR forum and the USA one.
USA forum the read is 28 pages of dummy spitting and hissy demands.
UK forum is 4 pages of people conditioned into accepting mediocre service, long queues, who have lost the urge to fight after numerous previous crappy outcomes to poor quality or service and only have suitable riding weather for 3 months of the year, so wont miss the bike anywayfolk that are waiting patiently .
Fixed that for you Y2 USA forum the read is 28 pages of dummy spitting and hissy demands.
UK forum is 4 pages of people conditioned into accepting mediocre service, long queues, who have lost the urge to fight after numerous previous crappy outcomes to poor quality or service and only have suitable riding weather for 3 months of the year, so wont miss the bike anyway
http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/news/default.asp?stor...
Pistonheads main page said:
So is the bloke who discovered the fact the calibrations were out on the milling machine that makes crankshafts for Ferrari's 4.5-litre V8 engine a hero for discovering the fact or now wearing concrete socks for bringing shame to the name? Who knows but the fact remains that a very small number of Ferrari Californias and 458 Italias are being recalled for a minor warranty repair.
Tyre smoke? Or something more ominous? OK, not that minor. The engines need a new crankshaft <snip>
Seems there's been another high-profile slip up with keeping an eye on calibrations Tyre smoke? Or something more ominous? OK, not that minor. The engines need a new crankshaft <snip>
Bit of an update:
Quoting from paragraphs on page 2 of the BMW dealer notification letter:
"The production dates affected are Sep.1,2011-Apr.10,2012."
"The Factory has already initiated change on the production line and motorcycles with a VIN sequence starting ZL16475 or higher can be delivered to customers in the usual fashion with immediate effect following arrival at dealerships."
Quoting from paragraphs on page 2 of the BMW dealer notification letter:
"The production dates affected are Sep.1,2011-Apr.10,2012."
"The Factory has already initiated change on the production line and motorcycles with a VIN sequence starting ZL16475 or higher can be delivered to customers in the usual fashion with immediate effect following arrival at dealerships."
chrono said:
Just dropped mine off for 1st service and been informed of recall, but that parts are on backorder for 3 weeks. I'm due to have bike shipped to Motorland Aragon next Friday for 3-day long track-day. BMW Park Lane say they don't advise riding it. Don't know what to do. Called BMW Customer Service and they don't even know about the recall yet. Anyone got any experience of getting the bike fixed quicker than 3 weeks?
There's two 2012 S1000 here at Aragon and one threw a rod after 12 laps this morning so good chance its this chap. Fortunately the slick just off line.moto_traxport said:
chrono said:
Just dropped mine off for 1st service and been informed of recall, but that parts are on backorder for 3 weeks. I'm due to have bike shipped to Motorland Aragon next Friday for 3-day long track-day. BMW Park Lane say they don't advise riding it. Don't know what to do. Called BMW Customer Service and they don't even know about the recall yet. Anyone got any experience of getting the bike fixed quicker than 3 weeks?
There's two 2012 S1000 here at Aragon and one threw a rod after 12 laps this morning so good chance its this chap. Fortunately the slick just off line.Hope he/those behind stayed on too. I can imagine that if you went down on the oil of someone who knew that their bike may do this, you'd be one angry person!
UnluckyTimmeh said:
norfolkscooby said:
No one with a road bike... People due to do the NW200 & TT have been having them done the last 2 weeks at BMW UK.
Ah, that's interesting.Cheers.
(feel for your mate though)
TTracer said:
My brother superstocker suffered this on the dyno, and I was hearing at Thruxton the other week that another dyno had lost more than a couple to the same problem.
I think BMW need to calibrate their torque wrenches
I think BMW need to calibrate their torque wrenches
y2blade said:
UnluckyTimmeh said:
norfolkscooby said:
No one with a road bike... People due to do the NW200 & TT have been having them done the last 2 weeks at BMW UK.
Ah, that's interesting.Cheers.
(feel for your mate though)
TTracer said:
My brother superstocker suffered this on the dyno, and I was hearing at Thruxton the other week that another dyno had lost more than a couple to the same problem.
I think BMW need to calibrate their torque wrenches
I think BMW need to calibrate their torque wrenches
srob said:
moto_traxport said:
chrono said:
Just dropped mine off for 1st service and been informed of recall, but that parts are on backorder for 3 weeks. I'm due to have bike shipped to Motorland Aragon next Friday for 3-day long track-day. BMW Park Lane say they don't advise riding it. Don't know what to do. Called BMW Customer Service and they don't even know about the recall yet. Anyone got any experience of getting the bike fixed quicker than 3 weeks?
There's two 2012 S1000 here at Aragon and one threw a rod after 12 laps this morning so good chance its this chap. Fortunately the slick just off line.Hope he/those behind stayed on too. I can imagine that if you went down on the oil of someone who knew that their bike may do this, you'd be one angry person!
it is ALL OVER THE S1000RR FORUMS!!!!!!
blade7 said:
It's all well when the engine is covered by warranty, who's going to fancy one when there's no comeback if it goes bang, most jap fours are reputedly good for 30-50k, time will tell if the beemer will do the same.
Really? I'd want them to last a lot more than that if serviced propoerly.Rick448 said:
blade7 said:
It's all well when the engine is covered by warranty, who's going to fancy one when there's no comeback if it goes bang, most jap fours are reputedly good for 30-50k, time will tell if the beemer will do the same.
Really? I'd want them to last a lot more than that if serviced propoerly., depends how it's been used, a sportsbike may need a valve job and rings by 50k.Gassing Station | Biker Banter | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff