T shirts and trainers
Discussion
my 2p worth ... probably too nannyish for the state to say you have to wear leathers, becoz blanket rules for grey areas like this are inappropriate for many individual occaisions ... but if Mel sees a particular occaision where he thinks some prat is taking a stupid risk, then I for one say good on you Mel for putting on your frock and playing nanny. Offering some well intended advice might just save a pillock.
quote:But according to the Volvo theory of risk compensation, guys wearing full leathers should have more accidents of a more serious nature! Damage to third parties is unlikely to be mitigated by wearing leathers when you go though their windscreen.
small point, insurance companies that have to pay tonnes in damages, or lost life to next of kin , load up YOUR insurance next year...
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quote:Even in a minor spill it'd be dead easy to render your hands useless for life by simply wearing through the tendons or whatever and you landed on your hands or they dragged down the road and there's sh*t load of stuff you won't be able to do any more without a hand or two. Makes sense to me.
What made me laugh yesterday, was a bloke on an R6 with jeans/t-shirt but wearing armoured gloves?!?!?
It wouldn't if he had no elbows - donut!
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But according to the Volvo theory of risk compensation, guys wearing full leathers should have more accidents of a more serious nature! Damage to third parties is unlikely to be mitigated by wearing leathers when you go though their windscreen.
Absolutely, you're more likely to have an accident if you feel you're more protected than you really are so therefore you're safest in speedos. Also the insurance company would save money by only paying out to replace a pair of speedos rather than a dainese race suit with integrated Richard The Third hump.
The logical conclusion to all this is that far from being reckless the safest way to travel on a motorcycle would be nude and, as recent studies have shown, stoned.
I'm in.
quote:Yes but there is a range of speeds at which he could come off and save his hands but didn't wear completely through his elbows, right? So he has (I assume) assessed his level of risk based on that theoretical speed range.
It wouldn't if he had no elbows - donut!
There is a level of speed where you would wear though your leathers before you stopped sliding but I imagine that you are assuming that when you come off you will be going around a corner rather than a blow-out at 120mph on the M4 during an overtake?
So basically if you both never exceed the maximum speed for the situation and circumstances you have chosen then you should both be, in the main, ok (although obviously the guy in the t-shirt is going to smart a fair bit if he falls off). So in both your ways you are making exactly the same assumptions just taking different speeds into account which was the point I was trying to make. If you both exceed the speed at which what you wear will protect you then you are both equally at risk to the same degree.
Mind you, if he overtook on the M4 at 120mph then he's definitely looking at setting his hands free to pursue their own interests.
Mark
On the gloves thing, I was once quoted to by my ex sister in law who is a paramedic in essex (and a volunteer at Snetterton) "Even if you only wear jeans and a sweat shirt never ever forget gloves and boots they are what will really help save you, they won't stop the damage but will atleast hold you togeather untill they can be taken off by people in the right place" in other words better to have smashed bits still hanging on the end of your limbs rather than decorating the tarmac.
The extremities are what take the biggest hit, I've been down the racetrack at over 100mph and the worst injury was the burns on my hands where the natural reaction is to try ramming them into the tarmac to try and slow down when sliding. So in summary nice gloves but he was still a w*nker for the jeans and T shirt.
The extremities are what take the biggest hit, I've been down the racetrack at over 100mph and the worst injury was the burns on my hands where the natural reaction is to try ramming them into the tarmac to try and slow down when sliding. So in summary nice gloves but he was still a w*nker for the jeans and T shirt.
quote:Personally I wouldn't go anywhere without my kevlar cod piece.
"Even if you only wear jeans and a sweat shirt never ever forget gloves and boots they are what will really help save you, they won't stop the damage but will atleast hold you togeather untill they can be taken off by people in the right place" in other words better to have smashed bits still hanging on the end of your limbs rather than decorating the tarmac.
>> Edited by mhibbins on Tuesday 18th June 17:33
It makes me angry 'cos every skinned Newbie pushes up MY insurance by quite a lot.
On the other hand, I hate being told what to do - it's the reason I ride a bike FFS...
All the same, I'd love to be able to ride "casual", but I am scared witless of the consequences. Leathers are cheap compared to surgery.
So I have to agree with Mel on this.
Carl.
On the other hand, I hate being told what to do - it's the reason I ride a bike FFS...
All the same, I'd love to be able to ride "casual", but I am scared witless of the consequences. Leathers are cheap compared to surgery.
So I have to agree with Mel on this.
Carl.
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