RE: PH2: new licencing laws explained...
Discussion
It probably for the best. I was riding round on a ZX12r at 19. Not quite sure how I lived through it...
From passed experience the police were never that wise to 33bhp think anyway. Everyone I knew a few years ago rode unrestricted bikes as soon as they passed their test at 17.
I smashed up an unrestricted 400 at 17 and neither the police or insurance ever asked if it was restricted.
But I think this is very bad news on the whole for biking. It will no doubt put many people off even more.
From passed experience the police were never that wise to 33bhp think anyway. Everyone I knew a few years ago rode unrestricted bikes as soon as they passed their test at 17.
I smashed up an unrestricted 400 at 17 and neither the police or insurance ever asked if it was restricted.
But I think this is very bad news on the whole for biking. It will no doubt put many people off even more.
Re riding at 14 in France my assumption would be if you already have the required license then you can stick with it but not progress until you reach next age related mile stone. But I could be wrong.
i did my DAS 4 years ago, 4 weeks of weekends including CBT etc and I think handful of other lessons in the week and I then did one test and passed.
First bike was a GSXR600 K5 insurance was only £235 for the year on a bike that would do twice the national speed limit if you were so inclined. Kept it for 18 months regretted 80% of the time as it was too powerful heavy and uncomfortable...but it did look cool lol
So maybe the new rules are ok though my instructors at the time pointed out they taught everyone the same so that we could all ride a fireblade etc but knew not to use all the revs all the time and generally stay alive.
Second bike was a bonni which was much nicer but too much of a come down power wise something in the middle I guess would have been best option.
End of the day a 125 will kill in the wrong hands so its all down to self control and preservation.
Doing emergency stop trainig for cbt lad in front of me was 17 told me he broke both legs on scooter at 16 but was desperate to get on a CBR600f his mate was selling. No intention of restricting it etc. No idea what became of him but if I were a betting man....
i did my DAS 4 years ago, 4 weeks of weekends including CBT etc and I think handful of other lessons in the week and I then did one test and passed.
First bike was a GSXR600 K5 insurance was only £235 for the year on a bike that would do twice the national speed limit if you were so inclined. Kept it for 18 months regretted 80% of the time as it was too powerful heavy and uncomfortable...but it did look cool lol
So maybe the new rules are ok though my instructors at the time pointed out they taught everyone the same so that we could all ride a fireblade etc but knew not to use all the revs all the time and generally stay alive.
Second bike was a bonni which was much nicer but too much of a come down power wise something in the middle I guess would have been best option.
End of the day a 125 will kill in the wrong hands so its all down to self control and preservation.
Doing emergency stop trainig for cbt lad in front of me was 17 told me he broke both legs on scooter at 16 but was desperate to get on a CBR600f his mate was selling. No intention of restricting it etc. No idea what became of him but if I were a betting man....
So you now have to wait until your 24 to get a real bike.
But at 17 (Insurance ignored here) you can pass your car test and go buy a Ferrari.
Utter two wheeled discrimination IMO.
Just glad i dont have to go through all the direct access crap again (first time annoyed me as i could outride my instructor)
But at 17 (Insurance ignored here) you can pass your car test and go buy a Ferrari.
Utter two wheeled discrimination IMO.
Just glad i dont have to go through all the direct access crap again (first time annoyed me as i could outride my instructor)
V8 FOU said:
LukeBird said:
I thought it meant you now had to ride a lower-powered back for at least 2 years before you could jump onto something silly.
I'll freely admit I could be wrong though, it looks damned confusing!
I thought about doing mine (direct access) a couple of years ago, wish I had done now!
Nope. Over 24, pass your CBT,theory, and 2 part test and you can ride anything legally. A bike with 150bhp? No problem,sir.I'll freely admit I could be wrong though, it looks damned confusing!
I thought about doing mine (direct access) a couple of years ago, wish I had done now!
Mad, mad, mad. A real missed opportunity. I was talking to another bike shop last week about this, and he has a customer with much money, and he didn't make it from his garage to the road without crashing his new bike! He bought this for "something to ride" while his R1 was being repaired. That was an old one. all of 3 weeks old....
I'm over 24, so that's nice to know!
richb77 said:
So you now have to wait until your 24 to get a real bike.
But at 17 (Insurance ignored here) you can pass your car test and go buy a Ferrari.
Utter two wheeled discrimination IMO.
Just glad i dont have to go through all the direct access crap again (first time annoyed me as i could outride my instructor)
I agree with this.But at 17 (Insurance ignored here) you can pass your car test and go buy a Ferrari.
Utter two wheeled discrimination IMO.
Just glad i dont have to go through all the direct access crap again (first time annoyed me as i could outride my instructor)
I was in the first year that got caught by the initial 33bhp restriction, and that was bad enough. Many of my mates didn't bother doing their test at that point and waited until they were 21.
I know people will say that it's insurance that restricts the performance car brigade buying a fast car at 17, but I'm sure there's ways around it - whether dubious or not. Lots of my old school mates were named drivers on their folks' insurance. Also of course, if you ride a bike you don't tend to have four of your mates jammed in and trying to show off to.
I don't think this is a good move for motorcycling, I think it'll be another nail in the coffin for the general scene but I don't think restrictions are a bad thing. Whether those restrictions should just be restricted to young motorcyclists though, is another argument and one that's not so easy to justify.
"New licencing laws" - WTF??
Sigh...
Licence, noun. An official document giving the holder permission to do or own something.
License, verb. To grant a licence to somebody.
The word "licensing" is derived from the verb. Therefore it has an "s" in it. If in doubt, compare it to the words "advise" and "advice"; you wouldn't ever say that you'd been "advicing" somebody, would you?
It really shouldn't be necessary to say this to a professional journalist.
Sigh...
Licence, noun. An official document giving the holder permission to do or own something.
License, verb. To grant a licence to somebody.
The word "licensing" is derived from the verb. Therefore it has an "s" in it. If in doubt, compare it to the words "advise" and "advice"; you wouldn't ever say that you'd been "advicing" somebody, would you?
It really shouldn't be necessary to say this to a professional journalist.
gareth_r said:
It's nothing less than an attempt to remove motorcycles from the roads. They know they won't be able to get away with an outright ban (yet) so this is the first step.
If you were a bureaucrat trying to implement vision zero, where would you start?
I doubt its an attempt to ban bikes etc more an attempt to reduce deaths on the roads, well intentioned but ill thought out.If you were a bureaucrat trying to implement vision zero, where would you start?
I think all car drives should also have to do a cbt it would improve road awareness much more than an on screen hazard perception test. (I did this for Bike license there was not theory etc when I did car license).
An while insurance does limit chances of someone at 17 owning a Ferrari (that an the cost of the dam thing) I am pretty sure a ford ka will kill a biker if it hits one on the motorway etc. Age limits are not the answer better training and consideration for others are key.
to my mind if you think breaking both legs on a scooter is fine then odds are you think ragging a fiesta to death past a school is fine, or doing 110 on a dual carrage way in the rain is fine as long as your music is turned up high.
All this legislation will do is prevent new bikes getting on the scean. Which is odd given bikes are cheap fuel efficent reliable modes of transport. Who needs a G whiz when a cb125 will do 100mpg and crack the national speed limit.
It is expensive enough for new drivers. Bikes offered a cheaper alternative. Now you effectively cant take a bike on a motorway until youre 19 because everything available to you before is underpowered. How f
king useless. I had a ninja 900 at 20 insured for 300 and it made me a better rider. Without having some experience with a machine more powerful than I could handle, i wouldve been pushing the limits on smaller bikes and I would probably have been dead.
king useless. I had a ninja 900 at 20 insured for 300 and it made me a better rider. Without having some experience with a machine more powerful than I could handle, i wouldve been pushing the limits on smaller bikes and I would probably have been dead.Im 21 in Feb and want to do my bike licence this year.
To be honest I won't mind being restricted to 40 odd bhp. My car only had 33bhp when it was new 24 years ago so I wont mind and wouldn't fancy getting straight onto my dads R1 without having gained more experience on something less likely to punish me for a slight 'twist of the wrist' at the wrong time and place.
To be honest I won't mind being restricted to 40 odd bhp. My car only had 33bhp when it was new 24 years ago so I wont mind and wouldn't fancy getting straight onto my dads R1 without having gained more experience on something less likely to punish me for a slight 'twist of the wrist' at the wrong time and place.
Glad I did my 33bhp restricted licence when I was 17 - I wouldn't have bothered if I'd had to do this.
I disagree with it entirely. This will put many young riders off getting their licence and will mean that we have many 'born again bikers' who do their test when they're in their 40's because it was too complicated when they were younger.
The car point is partially governed by the insurance market, but so are bikes to a similar extent. Better to be a 17 year old on a powerful machine than a 17 year old in an underpowered eurobox in my opinion. I was far more sensible on my GSXR600 than I was in my VW Polo. I'd hate to see a similar system introduced for car-tests though.
Hopefully they'll come to their senses before it damages the industry beyond repair.
I disagree with it entirely. This will put many young riders off getting their licence and will mean that we have many 'born again bikers' who do their test when they're in their 40's because it was too complicated when they were younger.
The car point is partially governed by the insurance market, but so are bikes to a similar extent. Better to be a 17 year old on a powerful machine than a 17 year old in an underpowered eurobox in my opinion. I was far more sensible on my GSXR600 than I was in my VW Polo. I'd hate to see a similar system introduced for car-tests though.
Hopefully they'll come to their senses before it damages the industry beyond repair.
ryanMIL said:
Hopefully they'll come to their senses before it damages the industry beyond repair.
wishful thinking there. look at recent lessons, goverment rasis tax's on gas guzzlers we then switch to new efficent cars and or drive less. Goverment has a panic at loss of revenue starts talking about road pricing and motorway passes.This months EVO has an column by harry metcalf on it. Bikes will be the same thing kill off new riders thus kill of the bike industry in the uk damage the economey further have a panic think of a new tax that will fix it.
Left, right red or blue they all do the same thing kill off bits of the economey that are useful.
Gecko1978 said:
Re riding at 14 in France my assumption would be if you already have the required license then you can stick with it but not progress until you reach next age related mile stone. But I could be wrong.
But no licence is required at 14 (at least not in Italy) you simply get a 50cc bike and ride it, you can even still ride a moped if you get a ban. I understand some training was introduced recently (Italy) but still no licence required.
Back in my day you turned 14, got a bike, there was no test, training, helmet, number plate or MOT required and insurance was optional.
For a bigger bike the test was purely theory, around a dozen multiple choice questions (car licence gave automatic bike entitlement) although it was restricted to certain engine sizes for 3 age breaks; 16, 18 & 21.
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Anyhow, so glad that days after I got my 125 I realised it wasn't gonna cut it for long and powered through my tests before the changes. Yes I'm restricted to 33bhp and new riders now get 47bhp, but it's all a little irrelevant anyway
13aines]P said:
...ride a bike restricted to 33hp for two years or until you were 21 years old, at which point you could ride anything
Didn't know that!! Crammed my test in at 19 years old in October. Would be restricted until October 2014 but I am 21 in a year and a day! Maybe I'll get my next bike sooner than I thought - will have just over a year of no claims hopefully by then too.Anyhow, so glad that days after I got my 125 I realised it wasn't gonna cut it for long and powered through my tests before the changes. Yes I'm restricted to 33bhp and new riders now get 47bhp, but it's all a little irrelevant anyway
Edited by 13aines on Monday 21st January 11:08
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