RE: PH2: new licencing laws explained...

[PH lurker]

LiamB said:

Gonna be honest, I'm not sure.

Fair enough .

So now a 19 year old, whose only experiance of motorcycling was nearly two years ago when taking the CBT day can take the tests and ride a 47bhp bike, I think.
But the same scenario last year would have meant taking the test on a sub 14.6bhp 120-125cc bike and having a sub 33bhp bike for two years. [/puzzled]

I also think it is worth bearing in mind that the 125cc restricted tests were the exact same tests as the direct access tests (as in mod 1 with same speed requirements, swerve, general handling)and mod 2.

So I presume the only real 'reason' for this is to bring the European countries in line.
However I heard that some countries have decided not to bother; which (if true) makes the whole thing a giant cock up in my eyes, although to be honest I'd still think it was a cock up anyway.

Is it all a bit nasty to the future two wheeled crowd?

[PH lurker]

Walter Sobchak said:

What if you were 21 and did your test before last weekend?, does that mean you hold the unrestriced full A Licence still?.
I did my bike test at 17, 33 BHP for 2 years then automatically got a full Licence, makes me glad I never had to go through all these hoops, if these rules had been in place back then I probably would have just waited until I was 24, loved my RVF 400 at 17 , part of me wishes I bought an RS250 now though.

Edited by Walter Sobchak on Tuesday 22 January 19:00

It still counts. It's a matter of days/ weeks since I took the same 33bhp at 17 route as yourself, and I am to keep all of its benefits despite all this.

[Scousejock]

My daughter turns 17 next month and is gutted she can step up to nothing more than a 125. She has ridden her 50cc for a year and been riding pillion with me for 7 years including bike rallies and 2,000 mile trips in a week.

If anything needed changing it is the law on 50cc bikes. I hate them. I don't think any vehicle should be on a road if it can't keep up with the flow of traffic. It just forces people to make dangerous overtaking moves. Change this to 100cc so they can at least hit 50mph

Sorry just my 2 cents worth.

P.S new in here. I ride a triumph sprint st1050, bandit 600, XR600 daughter has a 50cc son has an XR70 and now a Derbi GPR 50. Dam I need a bigger garage.

[Walter Sobchak]

PH lurker said:

It still counts. It's a matter of days/ weeks since I took the same 33bhp at 17 route as yourself, and I am to keep all of its benefits despite all this.

You made the right choice to do your test the old way I think, if you are ever in the unlikely scenario where you have a mate that takes the piss with his 47 BHP bike all you need to do is remind him that in 2 years you can jump straight on a S1000RR if you so desire while he will have to jump through several more hoops and be at least 24 .

Just realized I did my bike test in 2000, I'm starting to feel old .

[LiamB]

Scousejock said:

My daughter turns 17 next month and is gutted she can step up to nothing more than a 125. She has ridden her 50cc for a year and been riding pillion with me for 7 years including bike rallies and 2,000 mile trips in a week.

If anything needed changing it is the law on 50cc bikes. I hate them. I don't think any vehicle should be on a road if it can't keep up with the flow of traffic. It just forces people to make dangerous overtaking moves. Change this to 100cc so they can at least hit 50mph

Sorry just my 2 cents worth.

P.S new in here. I ride a triumph sprint st1050, bandit 600, XR600 daughter has a 50cc son has an XR70 and now a Derbi GPR 50. Dam I need a bigger garage.

If anything they need to de-restrict 50's and remove the stty 28mph limit.

Being 16, everyone I know has de-restricted theirs. Going around at 28 REALLY does not sound fun. Especially when I regularly make 50 mile trips to Milton Keynes from London. (Also because I can squeeze 80-85 out of it on a good day )

[TalkTheTalk]

Hooli said:

MonkeyBusiness said:

vonuber said:

So why doesn't this apply to cars.

Very good point.

Because every thick fktard out there gets a licence by just turning up for a car test, no skills required. Why would we want to make people learn to drive cars properly?

Couldn't agree more on this.. Back in July I was taken out by a driver who clearly wasn't capable of using mirrors or aware of anything but what he could see. Leaving me with a broken back in four places...

Don't teach to pass a test teach to drive.

[Scousejock]

LiamB said:

If anything they need to de-restrict 50's and remove the stty 28mph limit.

Being 16, everyone I know has de-restricted theirs. Going around at 28 REALLY does not sound fun. Especially when I regularly make 50 mile trips to Milton Keynes from London. (Also because I can squeeze 80-85 out of it on a good day )

Yeah most are derestricted but the idea of being restricted to 30 is a joke.

80-85 what have u fitted Nos lol

[Prof Prolapse]

Liam's bike has undergone a stage III weight reduction and he's also removed several body panels and components to reduce drag. He's also altered the shape of several panels in order to reduce drag further.

Even more impressive is that he carried out these alterations in approximately 3 seconds on the Queen's highway with no professional tools or experience. Not even his Mum was present.

[LiamB]

Prof Prolapse said:

Liam's bike has undergone a stage III weight reduction and he's also removed several body panels and components to reduce drag. He's also altered the shape of several panels in order to reduce drag further.

Even more impressive is that he carried out these alterations in approximately 3 seconds on the Queen's highway with no professional tools or experience. Not even his Mum was present.

Oh yeah.. Probably get over 100 now

Those bent forks really give me the aerodynamics of a flying turd.

[Alonso92]

Prof Prolapse said:

Liam's bike has undergone a stage III weight reduction and he's also removed several body panels and components to reduce drag. He's also altered the shape of several panels in order to reduce drag further.

Even more impressive is that he carried out these alterations in approximately 3 seconds on the Queen's highway with no professional tools or experience. Not even his Mum was present.

[CBR JGWRR]

PH lurker said:

LiamB said:

Gonna be honest, I'm not sure.

Fair enough .

So now a 19 year old, whose only experiance of motorcycling was nearly two years ago when taking the CBT day can take the tests and ride a 47bhp bike, I think.
But the same scenario last year would have meant taking the test on a sub 14.6bhp 120-125cc bike and having a sub 33bhp bike for two years. [/puzzled]

Assuming the DSA run accelerated access to the new A2. If not, then test on 125 and two years wait first. They technically aren't allowed to though... (They would like too, it saves them a headache and makes the new legislation look a bit better)

[Slidingpillar]

What hasn't appeared here is the fact that tricycles are now motor bikes and need a class A licence. I've got one in my shed, 1100 cc, made in 1930, steering wheel and car type controls. A Morgan Super Sports Aero - about 40bhp.

Previously, you could drive such a device on a car licence, so subject to insurance, at 17 was possible.

Now a new driver will need to pass a full motor bike test, and be at least 21.

Although there is a point of view that states motor bike experience should be gained by car drivers, the complication of several tests and a vastly increased age to drive a car with a top speed of 80 (if you are lucky) is silly.

Existing car drivers will gain group A restricted to tricycles so there is no change for them.

[PH lurker]

Walter Sobchak said:

You made the right choice to do your test the old way I think, if you are ever in the unlikely scenario where you have a mate that takes the piss with his 47 BHP bike all you need to do is remind him that in 2 years you can jump straight on a S1000RR if you so desire while he will have to jump through several more hoops and be at least 24 .

Just realized I did my bike test in 2000, I'm starting to feel old .

I'm 17 so the only option under the new rules was a 125 for another two years. Hence getting it done before besides other reasons such as the cost of doing the tests three times.

[Dirty]

I took my A2 restricted licence in January 2012, a year before the new rules came in. I presume I am still under the old rules and can jump on a Panigale in January 2014.

The age stuff doesn't apply to me, when I was 21 the 916 was the bike to have!

[CBR JGWRR]

Hell yeah. Well, insurance might be an issue, but no worries on the licence front.

[srob]

Slidingpillar said:

What hasn't appeared here is the fact that tricycles are now motor bikes and need a class A licence. I've got one in my shed, 1100 cc, made in 1930, steering wheel and car type controls. A Morgan Super Sports Aero - about 40bhp.

Previously, you could drive such a device on a car licence, so subject to insurance, at 17 was possible.

Now a new driver will need to pass a full motor bike test, and be at least 21.

Although there is a point of view that states motor bike experience should be gained by car drivers, the complication of several tests and a vastly increased age to drive a car with a top speed of 80 (if you are lucky) is silly.

Existing car drivers will gain group A restricted to tricycles so there is no change for them.

Bit late, but any pics of the Morgan?

I still plan on having one one day, but they're getting a bit pricey now! We were offered (or half offered!) a 1922 GP a few weeks ago but sadly, don't have the room for it. Personally I'd prefer a later Aero anyway; I spent yesterday looking at them and dreaming. There's quite a few for sale at the moment, it seems.

[LiamB]

Just to clarify, these rules are still 100% bks and the person that said 'lets fk up motorcycling for anyone under 24' needs to be strapped to the front of a bike with the throttle pinned open, and aimed straight into a brick wall/tank/herd of mentally challenged furbies.

[Spanna]

LiamB said:

Just to clarify, these rules are still 100% bks and the person that said 'lets fk up motorcycling for anyone under 24' needs to be strapped to the front of a bike with the throttle pinned open, and aimed straight into a brick wall/tank/herd of mentally challenged furbies.

Especially those who were waiting to turn 17/21 and get their test done. The retest stuff is utter balls, such a shame that people will have to do all that st, spend more money on tests and probably more tuition just to move up a tier. It's made getting a licence before 19 completely pointless.

[LiamB]

Spanna said:

LiamB said:

Just to clarify, these rules are still 100% bks and the person that said 'lets fk up motorcycling for anyone under 24' needs to be strapped to the front of a bike with the throttle pinned open, and aimed straight into a brick wall/tank/herd of mentally challenged furbies.

Especially those who were waiting to turn 17/21 and get their test done. The retest stuff is utter balls, such a shame that people will have to do all that st, spend more money on tests and probably more tuition just to move up a tier. It's made getting a licence before 19 completely pointless.

I'm 17 now, and I am on a 125 for TWO years before I can do my RESTRICTED test at 19, then I have to wait ANOTHER two years with ANOTHER test to finally get a 'full' licence.. before I could of done my A2 and got myself a restricted Bandit or something for two years then I would of been free to use whatever I wanted.

It's fking tedious and expensive, I really think they are trying to steer younger people away from bikes. My age group isn't even the most dangerous (Somehow..), it's either the born again bikers or DAS age.. forgotten which.

[sastanack]

Clearly this is the best place to ask. I think I've figured out what applies to me right now:

23 and just done my CBT. If someone will leave out a nice 125 CBR long enough for me to buy it, I can get some practice (and make sure I don't do anything too stupid) before turning 24 in October - then doing DAS end of this/sometime next year.

And even then, probably sticking with something small so I don't fall over.

Things that various people have come up with in conversation that I'm not sure of;
-at L-plate stage, it is possible to get anything and have it restricted down to 125 level?
(again, with the not wanting to drop it is not a good idea anyway)
-I don't have to hang around the full 2 years on a 125, I can do DAS and go for whatever on turning 24?