Racing Silly Season - Who is going where in 2014?

[FourWheelDrift]

George29 said:

Sam Hornsey: 1:33.650
Jake Dixon: 1:33.775
Luke Stapleford: 1:33.785
Glenn Irwin: 1:34.257

Source: http://www.britishsuperbike.com/media/1393893/test...

They were all quicker than Chris Walker, doesn't he deserve the same stick?

[Dare2Fail]

George29 said:

Jenny Tinmouth: 1:35.431

Sam Hornsey: 1:33.650
Jake Dixon: 1:33.775
Luke Stapleford: 1:33.785
Glenn Irwin: 1:34.257
James Rispoli: 1:35.075
Freddy Pett: 1:35.171

Source: http://www.britishsuperbike.com/media/1393893/test...

Conditions may not be great, but not acceptable for someone on a factory bike in my opinion. We will see what happens next weekend as can't always take testing times seriously, I feel it will be much of the same though.

Would your views be different if the budget is coming from the fact that she will provide a big marketing boost, and therefore the ride wouldn't exist for anyone else? I suppose what I'm asking is if the choice was between a two rider Honda team or a three rider Honda team with Tinmouth on one of the bikes, which would you choose? And no, a three bike team without Tinmouth isn't an option here

[George29]

FourWheelDrift said:

They were all quicker than Chris Walker, doesn't he deserve the same stick?

You could argue that Chris Walker has nothing to prove, whereas Jenny does.

Was disappointing from him considering he usually goes so well in the wet.

Out of those two riders, I think one will improve come race day, one won't.

[George29]

egor110 said:

Why shouldn't Ralph Le Turco be in bsb?

This isn't fairy tale land where teams have special magic money trees so they can employ the quickest riders, the books have to be balanced , wages have to be paid, trucks have to be fueled up.

It's supposed to be the highest championship in Britain.

You wouldn't expect to see Accrington Stanley jump up to the Premiership instantly if they could afford to be there would you? No, they would have to work their way up by winning/being competitive in lower leagues first.

[egor110]

George29 said:

FourWheelDrift said:

They were all quicker than Chris Walker, doesn't he deserve the same stick?

You could argue that Chris Walker has nothing to prove, whereas Jenny does.

Was disappointing from him considering he usually goes so well in the wet.

Out of those two riders, I think one will improve come race day, one won't.

Well he needs to prove he's not too old to be up the fast end of the grid and hogging a seat that could go to a younger rider ( as long as they have money)

[egor110]

George29 said:

egor110 said:

Why shouldn't Ralph Le Turco be in bsb?

This isn't fairy tale land where teams have special magic money trees so they can employ the quickest riders, the books have to be balanced , wages have to be paid, trucks have to be fueled up.

It's supposed to be the highest championship in Britain.

You wouldn't expect to see Accrington Stanley jump up to the Premiership instantly if they could afford to be there would you? No, they would have to work their way up by winning/being competitive in lower leagues first.

Yes you would.

If the premier league changed the rules so you got in by money not results you'd have all manner of minor league chancers up there with there big investors.

Same as American sports, if you had enough cash you could buy a nba franchise and set up a new team and go to the top rung of basketball.

[LoonR1]

George29 said:

It's supposed to be the highest championship in Britain.

You wouldn't expect to see Accrington Stanley jump up to the Premiership instantly if they could afford to be there would you? No, they would have to work their way up by winning/being competitive in lower leagues first.

Hang on. Are you saying she has just walked in off the street amd got this ride? Are you sure she hasn't ridden at all sorts of levels amd done pretty well at them?

[egor110]

LoonR1 said:

George29 said:

It's supposed to be the highest championship in Britain.

You wouldn't expect to see Accrington Stanley jump up to the Premiership instantly if they could afford to be there would you? No, they would have to work their way up by winning/being competitive in lower leagues first.

Hang on. Are you saying she has just walked in off the street amd got this ride? Are you sure she hasn't ridden at all sorts of levels amd done pretty well at them?

Interesting concept though premier bsb, bottom 3 bsb teams drop out top 3 teams from super sport move up, regardless of whether they can fund it.

[George29]

LoonR1 said:

Hang on. Are you saying she has just walked in off the street amd got this ride? Are you sure she hasn't ridden at all sorts of levels amd done pretty well at them?

Well what has she won?

[George29]

egor110 said:

Interesting concept though premier bsb, bottom 3 bsb teams drop out top 3 teams from super sport move up, regardless of whether they can fund it.

Clearly that isn't what I was saying. But you should prove you're competitive at lower levels before moving up.

[LoonR1]

George29 said:

Well what has she won?

I've no idea. On her website it says she's had 36 podiums amd 16 wins, although that could be spread over all sorts. It's 36 podiums and 16 wins than I'll ever manage at National level.

I'm still struggling why you think it's so bad that she's doing this. I'll guarantee she scores points this year too, she might not get loads, but she'll get some. I know there are some real talents out there who can't make the move I to the top level due to finds amd others who are getting the breaks, but there are quite a few riders that I could argue don't deserve to be there. Quite a few SuperSprt riders have stepped up and a lot of those didn't win a single race last year, yet have got good rides.

[George29]

graphene said:

So you think the final decision regarding which rider to choose should be taken away from the teams? How do you propose that the criteria is decided? It is fairly clear that the decision to add a third bike is PR-led initiative but it is still an interesting one.

Being as though this is probably going happen, grumbling or not, what results do think would be a measure of success for Tinmouth?

Well she's on a factory bike, she should be looking at getting into the showdown.

[Fleegle]

George29 said:

Well what has she won?

A lot more than you

[LoonR1]

George29 said:

Well she's on a factory bike, she should be looking at getting into the showdown.

There are 3 factory Hondas, arguably 5 ZX10s, 2 BMWs,possibly even 4, 2 R1s, 2 GSXRs and lots of other well funded teams. Only 6 can make the showdown.

[George29]

LoonR1 said:

I've no idea. On her website it says she's had 36 podiums amd 16 wins, although that could be spread over all sorts. It's 36 podiums and 16 wins than I'll ever manage at National level.

I'm still struggling why you think it's so bad that she's doing this. I'll guarantee she scores points this year too, she might not get loads, but she'll get some. I know there are some real talents out there who can't make the move I to the top level due to finds amd others who are getting the breaks, but there are quite a few riders that I could argue don't deserve to be there. Quite a few SuperSprt riders have stepped up and a lot of those didn't win a single race last year, yet have got good rides.

I imagine a lot of those are at club level.

If you guarantee it sounds like we need to have a bet! A crate of Peroni perhaps?

I just think she's competing at too high a level. I agree there are other riders too that don't deserve to be there. I'm not just having a go at her. I think you should prove you are competitive in other classes before being earning a ride in top level racing.

[LoonR1]

George29 said:

I imagine a lot of those are at club level.

If you guarantee it sounds like we need to have a bet! A crate of Peroni perhaps?

I just think she's competing at too high a level. I agree there are other riders too that don't deserve to be there. I'm not just having a go at her. I think you should prove you are competitive in other classes before being earning a ride in top level racing.

A crate of Peroni it is. I really just want her to do OK, as it just seems that those in the lower classes are being a bit brutal and I like to support an underdog. Having chatted with a few at the lesser end of the BSB scale, they're quite adamant that she'll put a few noses out of joint this year.

[George29]

Fleegle said:

A lot more than you

I admit I'm st at this bike racing lark! Not claiming to be a pro!

LoonR1 said:

There are 3 factory Hondas, arguably 5 ZX10s, 2 BMWs,possibly even 4, 2 R1s, 2 GSXRs and lots of other well funded teams. Only 6 can make the showdown.

There's no factory ZX10s I thought?

Being on a factory bike you have to be aiming for the top, you have the top machinery after all. What do you think she should be aiming for?

[George29]

LoonR1 said:

A crate of Peroni it is. I really just want her to do OK, as it just seems that those in the lower classes are being a bit brutal and I like to support an underdog. Having chatted with a few at the lesser end of the BSB scale, they're quite adamant that she'll put a few noses out of joint this year.

I hope you're right. I just can't see it happening.

[LoonR1]

George29 said:

There's no factory ZX10s I thought?

Being on a factory bike you have to be aiming for the top, you have the top machinery after all. What do you think she should be aiming for?

Lots of posturing form Paul Bird, but Kawasaki pay all the bills now, GB Moto team are well funded (maybe not factory but have a lot of Kawasaki money), ditto BeWiser for Danny Buchan's ride.

They might not be official Factory with a capital "F" but there's lots of money and lots of trick factory parts either fitted for free or bought at a significant discount fitted to those bikes.

[Fleegle]

George29 said:

Being on a factory bike you have to be aiming for the top, you have the top machinery after all.

There won't be a single rider lining up on that grid that will not give everything they can, irrespective of the support they get

Asking what she has won somewhat tries to discredit her. Anybody, male or female, that has no qualms about rocking up at the TT and putting a 119.9mph lap in, must be worthy of a decent ride