CBTand buying a Desmo

[duggan]

anonymous said:

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In the flesh it looks beautiful - flat lights and IMHO looks the best profile of the Panigale range - was out in the garage tonight and only the Desmo tops it in looks terms love the unequal pipes either side too!

[duggan]

Gunk said:

Still not as stunning as an RC30 though



Arai are also producing a limited edition matching helmet



Only today I was pestering my wife to let me buy an RC30, she is softening to the idea but I’m not quite there yet!

Gunks - no offence mate - and I love the RC30, but looking around the show today and the had a NR750 on display and I just thought the bike looked really old (size / switchgear / indicators etc) Mrs Duggan liked it and could understand why it was such an important bike (after I’d run her though the spec - yawn), but still said it was nice - in “an XJ 220 nice - kinda 1980s look) nice.

Then round the corner were two Desmosedici RR’s - can’t believe it’ll be 12 years since it was unveiled now that’s how to age a bike well!

[BlackPrince]

duggan said:

Gunks - no offence mate - and I love the RC30, but looking around the show today and the had a NR750 on display and I just thought the bike looked really old (size / switchgear / indicators etc) Mrs Duggan liked it and could understand why it was such an important bike (after I’d run her though the spec - yawn), but still said it was nice - in “an XJ 220 nice - kinda 1980s look) nice.

Then round the corner were two Desmosedici RR’s - can’t believe it’ll be 12 years since it was unveiled now that’s how to age a bike well!

How much does Ducati pay you mate?

I don't understand rich people's fetishization of Ducati vs say, MV, Aprilia, KTM or even Yamaha.

So I take it you're a Ducati enthusiast then, rather than a bike enthusiast lol
edit: which is totally great - the world needs more Jack Grattons

Edited by BlackPrince on Saturday 18th November 20:57

[graeme4130]

As good a bike as the RC30 supposedly was, it’s no beauty in comparison with modern sports bikes, especially the Ducati’s, which I think are some of the best looking bikes on the market
Life would be boring if we all found beauty in the same things though, so everyone to themselves

[Gunk]

graeme4130 said:

As good a bike as the RC30 supposedly was, it’s no beauty in comparison with modern sports bikes, especially the Ducati’s, which I think are some of the best looking bikes on the market
Life would be boring if we all found beauty in the same things though, so everyone to themselves

I do admire and can see the appeal of the new stuff, however my passion is the late ‘80’s to mid 90’s sports bikes. I love the looks and the analogue feel of carbs and no electronics, plus it really was the heyday of the sports bike.

[Andybow]

I think it comes down to when you got into bikes, I saw the rc30 and owo1 at brands hatch when they had both been launched and absolutely fell in love with them, I was late teens and mad about bikes( still am) I always dreamt of having a slingshot gsxr or a FZR1000 but when I saw the RC I was smitten.
That’s why to me those style of bikes are amazing, I can see why people like Panigales etc, but for me I’ve owned a few dukes and they’ve always been ste. I know it Dosent happen to all dukes, I’ve obviously had Friday afternoon builds!
Everyone to there own, That’s what having a passion is all about. Mines more about riding than actually owning bikes now, as I’ve owned loads over the years and was lucky to buy a mint RC30 a few years ago, But sold it as the offer was too good.

[duggan]

BlackPrince said:

How much does Ducati pay you mate?

I don't understand rich people's fetishization of Ducati vs say, MV, Aprilia, KTM or even Yamaha.

So I take it you're a Ducati enthusiast then, rather than a bike enthusiast lol
edit: which is totally great - the world needs more Jack Grattons

Edited by BlackPrince on Saturday 18th November 20:57

This is the strange thing - until I totally immersed myself in Bikes, I just liked generic 1ltr Superbikes and the noise they made.

But irrespective of that, I’d always knew about the Desmosedici and just thought it was the most beautiful thing - engineering / looks / sound - I still think it is the most important possession I own and something I will never sell - hence why I went out and got my licence.

Looking around the NEC today and there are some wonderful bikes out there, but with respect, Ducati’s are just perfectly styled/manufactured. An example - Norton RR - lovely bike and profile is nearly perfect - but the polished chrome looks cheap & the dash looks like it’s out of a Dixon’s store - love what they have done, but just aren’t quite they. Same with MV, same with Aprilia.

Total bike nut - doesn’t mean I don’t love the whole bike thing & how much more of a club it is than cars - just happen to like Ducati’s.

[BlackPrince]

duggan said:

This is the strange thing - until I totally immersed myself in Bikes, I just liked generic 1ltr Superbikes and the noise they made.

But irrespective of that, I’d always knew about the Desmosedici and just thought it was the most beautiful thing - engineering / looks / sound - I still think it is the most important possession I own and something I will never sell - hence why I went out and got my licence.

Looking around the NEC today and there are some wonderful bikes out there, but with respect, Ducati’s are just perfectly styled/manufactured. An example - Norton RR - lovely bike and profile is nearly perfect - but the polished chrome looks cheap & the dash looks like it’s out of a Dixon’s store - love what they have done, but just aren’t quite they. Same with MV, same with Aprilia.

Total bike nut - doesn’t mean I don’t love the whole bike thing & how much more of a club it is than cars - just happen to like Ducati’s.

I know you're not a Ferrari owner (AFAIK) but do you feel the same is true about Ferraris compared with other cars?

[Gavia]

OW01 did it for me.

[Motorsport3]

duggan said:

So up for an early morning viewing at the NEC and can’t get over how beautiful the bike is - star of the show in my ( biased) eyes!

I am fond of Ducatis too, have an 899 which i love and in fact is my first proper bike and the main reason i got a licence in the first place.

The V4 does looks pretty cool too but from a design point of view doesn't look that different to the previous generation. On the engine front, I get the emission constraint for a 200+ bhp bike but other than that is there any other benefit (e.g. linearity/vibration reduction) of having 2 sets of V2 with their pistons moving in parallel?

[duggan]

BlackPrince said:

I know you're not a Ferrari owner (AFAIK) but do you feel the same is true about Ferraris compared with other cars?

Nope - owned what is considered to be one of the great modern Ferrari’s a few years ago (Challenge Stradale), but still think my 991 GT3 RS is far better than it and is one of the greatest cars ever made.

[moto_traxport]

BlackPrince said:

duggan said:

Gunks - no offence mate - and I love the RC30, but looking around the show today and the had a NR750 on display and I just thought the bike looked really old (size / switchgear / indicators etc) Mrs Duggan liked it and could understand why it was such an important bike (after I’d run her though the spec - yawn), but still said it was nice - in “an XJ 220 nice - kinda 1980s look) nice.

Then round the corner were two Desmosedici RR’s - can’t believe it’ll be 12 years since it was unveiled now that’s how to age a bike well!

How much does Ducati pay you mate?

I don't understand rich people's fetishization of Ducati vs say, MV, Aprilia, KTM or even Yamaha.

So I take it you're a Ducati enthusiast then, rather than a bike enthusiast lol
edit: which is totally great - the world needs more Jack Grattons

Glad I've moved on from my Ducati thing and I'm far more depressed in retrospect by selling my RC30 than any Ducati on the planet. True class rather then limited edition pants.

Is Jack Gratton still alive then? Tripped over his ex-race yellow and black Yamaha YZF750 Frontiers Bike for flipping years in my old job. I think we re-assembled it as a non-functioning ornament for his office.

[spareparts]

duggan said:

BlackPrince said:

I know you're not a Ferrari owner (AFAIK) but do you feel the same is true about Ferraris compared with other cars?

Nope - owned what is considered to be one of the great modern Ferrari’s a few years ago (Challenge Stradale), but still think my 991 GT3 RS is far better than it and is one of the greatest cars ever made.

Of course the 991RS is ‘better’ than the CS. It is also at least a dozen years newer and more capable. The CS however is a classic and notable for many reasons.
‘One of the greatest cars ever made’... emotive language for what has been said about many GT3s during their history since 1999. But there will be a ‘better’ RS after the 991 version which is relatively boring to drive compared to any of the earlier variants. The 991GT3.2 is even ‘better’ than the RS, faster, and more exciting to drive with the manual!
The point being made about Fezzas and the RC30 is fair - there are many other cars and bikes apart from the latest Porsche RS or Ducati that are truly exceptional and either more fun to drive/ride; or they have far more historical significance in bike lore, even if it is not from Bologna or the latest shiny toy.
The enthusiasm to go from CBT/DAS to having some of the most desirable modern era Ducatis in a short time is great, but you really should try riding some other bikes. Dont get me wrong - I love my Ducati. And as a fellow long time Porsche enthusiast who totally gets the GT3 thing, there are no finer engines in the world than those made by Maranello

Edited by spareparts on Sunday 19th November 01:39

[duggan]

spareparts said:

Of course the 991RS is ‘better’ than the CS. It is also at least a dozen years newer and more capable. The CS however is a classic and notable for many reasons.
‘One of the greatest cars ever made’... emotive language for what has been said about many GT3s during their history since 1999. But there will be a ‘better’ RS after the 991 version which is relatively boring to drive compared to any of the earlier variants. The 991GT3.2 is even ‘better’ than the RS, faster, and more exciting to drive with the manual!
The point being made about Fezzas and the RC30 is fair - there are many other cars and bikes apart from the latest Porsche RS or Ducati that are truly exceptional and either more fun to drive/ride; or they have far more historical significance in bike lore, even if it is not from Bologna or the latest shiny toy.
The enthusiasm to go from CBT/DAS to having some of the most desirable modern era Ducatis in a short time is great, but you really should try riding some other bikes. Dont get me wrong - I love my Ducati. And as a fellow long time Porsche enthusiast who totally gets the GT3 thing, there are no finer engines in the world than those made by Maranello

Edited by spareparts on Sunday 19th November 01:39

Different strokes for different folks Sparepart old son

I’ve driven and owned the lot, from AC Cobra’s through to Merc 190 Evo II, from 1964 Lotus Cortina’s to Clio V6’s, from Lotus, to Ferrari, to Porsche, to McLaren and I can safely say the 991 RS is the best car ever made

I’ve owned a 997 GT3 RS (supposed to be the ‘best’ modern RS) and can with some authority say the 991 is better. Anyone who clings to the manual-shift-is-better mantra is living in the past - from bikes to cars and any other Supercar manufacturer - all have moved on. The new GT3 is nice, but it’s not an RS! For me, after all of the cars I’ve owned, this is the keeper.

As for other bike makers, I will, like I have with cars, look and own others - but for me at the moment Ducati make the most beautiful bikes and in my eyes, the Desmosedici is still the greatest bike ever made (and it’s not even the latest), just like the Porsche 991 GT3 RS.

Edited by duggan on Sunday 19th November 19:16

[Fleegle]

duggan said:

I'm guessing you wear red underpants as well?

[CaptainSlow]

Probably already posted but this is the video I referred to earlier.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4mWvSN0M6Y

Buying numerous brand new special editions is a bit "meh".

[duggan]

Don’t necessary agree with all of the comments on their review, but good to see a Desmo and 1299 FE together in a 44 teeth review:

https://youtu.be/pmlux1noc8o

[BlackPrince]

duggan said:

As for other bike makers, I will, like I have with cars, look and own others - but for me at the moment Ducati make the most beautiful bikes and in my eyes, the Desmosedici is still the greatest bike ever made (and it’s not even the latest), just like the Porsche 991 GT3 RS.

Edited by duggan on Sunday 19th November 19:16

Have you ridden the RC213V-S?

I've very briefly and slowly driven a 991RS and a 997.1 RS and the 997 was tactile and feelsome (and im not even including the manual gearbox in my assessment) whereas the RS certainly accelerated quickly but was (relatively) leaden by comparison, though much more alive than its other 991 brethren

[graeme4130]

BlackPrince said:

duggan said:

As for other bike makers, I will, like I have with cars, look and own others - but for me at the moment Ducati make the most beautiful bikes and in my eyes, the Desmosedici is still the greatest bike ever made (and it’s not even the latest), just like the Porsche 991 GT3 RS.

Edited by duggan on Sunday 19th November 19:16

Have you ridden the RC213V-S?

I've very briefly and slowly driven a 991RS and a 997.1 RS and the 997 was tactile and feelsome (and im not even including the manual gearbox in my assessment) whereas the RS certainly accelerated quickly but was (relatively) leaden by comparison, though much more alive than its other 991 brethren

An RC213V-S is a proper bike. If I had a spare £200k, that's exactly the sort of bike I'd have tucked away for the occasional blast around a track - not sure how long it'd take me to get p'd off with having the engine rebuilt every 4-6hours use though, which is what Honda recommend

As much as the Desmo was seen as a ground breaker at the time, it's now a 10year old bike, and bikes have moved on so much in that time. A 1299Fe is most likely a much faster and easier to ride bike around any given circuit, and for the general rider, it'll be miles faster

[Rawwr]

graeme4130 said:

As much as the Desmo was seen as a ground breaker at the time, it's now a 10year old bike, and bikes have moved on so much in that time. A 1299Fe is most likely a much faster and easier to ride bike around any given circuit, and for the general rider, it'll be miles faster

To me, the D16RR is the F40 of the bike world. Even the baby Ferraris of today would clear off out of sight whilst the F40s turbos were still spooling up but, you know, it's an F40! All an F40 has to do is be an F40 and it's pretty much universally adored. Contemporary sports bikes would do the same to the D16RR but who cares? It's a Desmosedici RR and pretty much universally adored.