GSXR 600 Cutting out

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Jammez

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664 posts

207 months

Friday 9th May 2014
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Hi Folks

Looking for a bit of advice on this. I have an older GSXR 600 SRAD (1998)and it's started to cut out at 7000rpm. Doesn't matter which gear it's in it just will not go any higher than 7000rpm.

Whilst it's an older bike it's in pretty good condition but it is a constant battle to keep on top of electrical connections, there always seems to be something playing up that ends up being a corroded connector or fraying cable.

What would cause the cut out at exactly the same point in the rev range?

Any help greatly appreciated as want to get this sorted over the weekend if I can.

Cheers

James

Fleegle

16,689 posts

176 months

Friday 9th May 2014
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When you say cut out, does it need re-starting or it just bogs at 7000 revs. If it's the latter, it is more than likely carb related.

Has it been stood for a while or have you changed different supplier of petrol?

Jammez

Original Poster:

664 posts

207 months

Friday 9th May 2014
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Thanks for the reply. If your riding the power will cut, drop about 500 rpm then pick back up until you reach 7000 again. If you rev it out of gear it will cut out completely some of the time.

The bike didn't get used much last year and has only been back out about a month. I'm not sure if the problem has been there all month as the bike gets mostly used for commuting so if I'm being honest I rarely have the need or get the chance to go above 7000rpm so it might have had a problem for a while & I've just never rev'd it enough to make it happen. I only noticed last week when I did get to go out for a longer run. I've since made a point of giving it some revs on the way to work and it's continued to do it.

I get my petrol from various places and it's had several tanks since I noticed the problem. Doesn't make any difference with a full tank or running right on fumes.

If your thinking fuel anything in particular I should check apart from the obvious like kinked/blocked pipes, vacuum pipes etc, plugs.



Fleegle

16,689 posts

176 months

Friday 9th May 2014
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If the bike didn't get used much last year, there is a good chance that the fuel has gummed the carbs up. The jets would be the first thing I inspected, along with the emulsion tubes. These have fine holes which are easy to block

Jammez

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664 posts

207 months

Friday 9th May 2014
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Thanks Fleegle, will get poking around tomorrow and give the carbs a good clean out and see what happens.

Cheers

James

MotorsportTom

3,318 posts

161 months

Friday 9th May 2014
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A friend had a 98 gsxr 750 and he had a similar sounding problem, it wouldn't rev past around 7000.

IIRC it was coil related, it's worth doing the carbs anyway if it's been stood but you may as well check ignition leads etc whilst you're there.

Yazza54

18,508 posts

181 months

Friday 9th May 2014
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That does sound more like ignition to me

I've heard of coils breaking down causing problems like that before

leighz

407 posts

132 months

Friday 9th May 2014
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is that model carbs or injection? Not sure whether you've secondary throttle butterflies - think these can mess with not reaching higher revs if not functioning properly.

Jammez

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664 posts

207 months

Friday 23rd May 2014
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Ok, looking for a little more advice on this one. Cleaned the carbs and flushed out the tank whilst I had it off and it's made no difference. The carbs were actually pretty spotless no residues or crap in them. Also replaced the plugs - they looked on the lighter side when I removed them but nothing extreme.

I'm leaning back towards an electrical problem, the fact it doesn't do it all the time (but most of the time), sometimes I go out for a ride & it's perfect. Today when riding it was fine for a about 5 mins then coming down under fairly heavy braking & flicking down the gears it back fired a couple of times, I'm not talking about the nice crackle you sometimes get this was like a shotgun being fired!

It's still cutting out at the 7k rpm mark whether under hard acceleration or gentle throttle build up.

Any more thoughts before I have to give in a book it in to the garage?

CAPP0

19,582 posts

203 months

Friday 23rd May 2014
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I had a carbed 600 SRAD and it was VERY picky about fresh fuel. It was a track bike so it was laid up each winter, but when I wanted to use it again I had to drain and put fresh petrol in. NIght and day difference. It wouldn't rev out on old fuel.

You say you've cleaned the carbs, have you chucked the old fuel and put new in?

Fleegle

16,689 posts

176 months

Friday 23rd May 2014
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MotorsportTom said:
A friend had a 98 gsxr 750 and he had a similar sounding problem, it wouldn't rev past around 7000.

IIRC it was coil related, it's worth doing the carbs anyway if it's been stood but you may as well check ignition leads etc whilst you're there.
Maybe this?

Mastodon2

13,826 posts

165 months

Friday 23rd May 2014
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CAPP0 said:
I had a carbed 600 SRAD and it was VERY picky about fresh fuel. It was a track bike so it was laid up each winter, but when I wanted to use it again I had to drain and put fresh petrol in. NIght and day difference. It wouldn't rev out on old fuel.

You say you've cleaned the carbs, have you chucked the old fuel and put new in?
He said he flushed the tank, so presumably (hopefully!) he didn't refill it with old petrol.

I'd go for the HT leads next.

sjtscott

4,215 posts

231 months

Friday 23rd May 2014
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Fleegle said:
MotorsportTom said:
A friend had a 98 gsxr 750 and he had a similar sounding problem, it wouldn't rev past around 7000.

IIRC it was coil related, it's worth doing the carbs anyway if it's been stood but you may as well check ignition leads etc whilst you're there.
Maybe this?
Agreed.. OP how have you ignored looking at the coil packs/HT leads despite the post? Sounds like ignition/coil based issue to me.
Not the same bike but I had a 99 R6 that had a dodgy coil pack on one of the cylinders.. its would misfire/hold back underload at mid revs and v high revs.
I only traced the fault with the help of the garage I use to service my bikes. They found me a second hand one and bingo problem sorted.

moto_traxport

4,237 posts

221 months

Friday 23rd May 2014
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sjtscott said:
Fleegle said:
MotorsportTom said:
A friend had a 98 gsxr 750 and he had a similar sounding problem, it wouldn't rev past around 7000.

IIRC it was coil related, it's worth doing the carbs anyway if it's been stood but you may as well check ignition leads etc whilst you're there.
Maybe this?
Agreed.. OP how have you ignored looking at the coil packs/HT leads despite the post? Sounds like ignition/coil based issue to me.
Not the same bike but I had a 99 R6 that had a dodgy coil pack on one of the cylinders.. its would misfire/hold back underload at mid revs and v high revs.
I only traced the fault with the help of the garage I use to service my bikes. They found me a second hand one and bingo problem sorted.
+1. Sounds like one of the coil sticks to me.

Jammez

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664 posts

207 months

Saturday 24th May 2014
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Hi folks, just to confirm I did replace the fuel with completely fresh stuff after cleaning out everything and the bikes had a couple of fill ups since then.

I've only been able to visually check the ht leads and coils and there's nothing obvious with those but I need to read up on how to test the. Is there an easy way to test the coils other than replacing? I'm not one for just replacing parts until I find out what's wrong as that gets expensive very quickly!

I'm assuming (see if you follow my logic) that if there was a problem with a ht lead it would be damaged or corrosion based and would result in the problem occurring intermittently at various points in the rev range rather at the same point all the time?

I've been trying to identify more of the conditions that it occurs under and it seems that it's more prone once the bike has been warmed up. By warmed up I mean after about 10/15 mins riding rather than when the temp gauge reaches normal operating temp which only takes a couple of minutes.

Tank back off for more investigation this weekend!


simon-c

113 posts

257 months

Saturday 24th May 2014
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You need to get it on a dyno. It can then be narrowed down to fuel or ignition problems. Where do you live, if you're anywhere in Lancashire I can do it for you or if not I can recommend someone.

slickchange

144 posts

174 months

Saturday 24th May 2014
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Sounds like coils to me, they are warming up and then internally the insulation is breaking down. Happens with age and hence why the fault is intermittent. See if you can get a breakers coil pack + HT leads to swap out. If it fixes it, would be worth buying a new one and new HT leads too, they have a hard life and good leads = good spark.

Jonjo91

1,835 posts

158 months

Saturday 24th May 2014
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A friend has this problem on his GSXR, turned out to be the CDI ignition box.

I think this was also a problem on my zxr400, was a fried CDI unit.

Wedg1e

26,803 posts

265 months

Saturday 24th May 2014
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Intermittent sidestand switch?

CoolHands

18,636 posts

195 months

Saturday 24th May 2014
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new fuel pump.