Jailed for 150mph headcam footage...
Discussion
cat with a hat said:
In my opinion the only things that were dangerous were the overtakes right by that junctions and the 110mph in the 30-40.
The rest of it, whilst can be frowned upon.. Really wasn't that bad. I wouldn't have done the double white line overtakes, but most of them were perfectly safe.
Any reason why the 150 mph jaunt was dangerous? no risk of the ford focus changing direction, there were no junctions, the rest of the road was clear, visibility good and grip was fine.
Bit of a wheelie.. Big whoop.
Am I a danger to the public?
Couldn't agree more. Is it really in the public interest to jail him for 2 years.The rest of it, whilst can be frowned upon.. Really wasn't that bad. I wouldn't have done the double white line overtakes, but most of them were perfectly safe.
Any reason why the 150 mph jaunt was dangerous? no risk of the ford focus changing direction, there were no junctions, the rest of the road was clear, visibility good and grip was fine.
Bit of a wheelie.. Big whoop.
Am I a danger to the public?
dc02rr07.
It is similar in nature if not exactly the same actions, the driver deliberately drove in a dangerous way, the motorcyclist deliberately rode in a dangerous way. If either had miscalculated they could have caused danger to others. If the biker had lost it at 100 mph in a 30 zone how far would the bike travel before it came to a rest and what would it have ploughed through on the way, prams old people, etc.
To say either didn't cause harm by their reckless actions is to ignore the potential harm they could have caused that s why a 30mph zone is 30 and not the national speed limit and why driving deliberately at another road user even if you didn't hit them is an offence.
The other issue was to show that a car driver willfully and repeatedly driving dangerously was dealt with by the courts in a similar way to a motorcyclist doing the same thing.
With the limited information we have available much more cannot be concluded about the cases as the criminal/motoring history of the offender is not known.
It is similar in nature if not exactly the same actions, the driver deliberately drove in a dangerous way, the motorcyclist deliberately rode in a dangerous way. If either had miscalculated they could have caused danger to others. If the biker had lost it at 100 mph in a 30 zone how far would the bike travel before it came to a rest and what would it have ploughed through on the way, prams old people, etc.
To say either didn't cause harm by their reckless actions is to ignore the potential harm they could have caused that s why a 30mph zone is 30 and not the national speed limit and why driving deliberately at another road user even if you didn't hit them is an offence.
The other issue was to show that a car driver willfully and repeatedly driving dangerously was dealt with by the courts in a similar way to a motorcyclist doing the same thing.
With the limited information we have available much more cannot be concluded about the cases as the criminal/motoring history of the offender is not known.
cat with a hat said:
Bit of a wheelie.. Big whoop.
Am I a danger to the public?
In the eyes of the law - yes you are. http://www.whitedalton.co.uk/motorbike-blog/2012/0...Am I a danger to the public?
more, of interest because of description as to why it's dangerous (in the eyes of the law...)
http://www.fastbikesmag.com/2014/02/19/fast-bikes-...
I think there's little doubt 150mph *anywhere* will get you a DD conviction
Doing wheelies - big whoop
Going 150mph - meh
Pushing it well over the limit - we've all done that
Thinking it's a good idea to do all of the above, filming it and uploading it to the interwebs
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Still, community service, huge fine, license revoked,... are all things I could imagine. However two years of jail time for a victimless crime? That's like saying "your dog wasn't collard, it could have mauled someone". "it didn't". "well, attempted manslaughter anyhow!"
Going 150mph - meh
Pushing it well over the limit - we've all done that
Thinking it's a good idea to do all of the above, filming it and uploading it to the interwebs
.Still, community service, huge fine, license revoked,... are all things I could imagine. However two years of jail time for a victimless crime? That's like saying "your dog wasn't collard, it could have mauled someone". "it didn't". "well, attempted manslaughter anyhow!"
moanthebairns said:
Part of me thinks, they have done him a favour he was going to end up dead.
The guy didnt just get done for 1 count of dangerous driving did he?
It was 4 offences he was found guilty of e.g dangerous driving times four, multiple occasions on his own video evidence
seeing as a single DD offence carries as a minimum a long ban + community service and a max of 12 years inside, then for 4 counts in one hit, perhaps 2 years (out in 12 or less on a tag) is deemed appropriate ?
At the end of the day, there are sentencing guidelines for the offence and the judge at the time decides what is appropriate to the individual case
Not saying I agree with it; when you see what people get away doing without a custodial, its often ludicrous, but 4 counts of 2nd worst driving offence is not just going to be a short ban/fine.....
It was 4 offences he was found guilty of e.g dangerous driving times four, multiple occasions on his own video evidence
seeing as a single DD offence carries as a minimum a long ban + community service and a max of 12 years inside, then for 4 counts in one hit, perhaps 2 years (out in 12 or less on a tag) is deemed appropriate ?
At the end of the day, there are sentencing guidelines for the offence and the judge at the time decides what is appropriate to the individual case
Not saying I agree with it; when you see what people get away doing without a custodial, its often ludicrous, but 4 counts of 2nd worst driving offence is not just going to be a short ban/fine.....
powerstans said:
dc02rr07.
It is similar in nature if not exactly the same actions, the driver deliberately drove in a dangerous way, the motorcyclist deliberately rode in a dangerous way. If either had miscalculated they could have caused danger to others. If the biker had lost it at 100 mph in a 30 zone how far would the bike travel before it came to a rest and what would it have ploughed through on the way, prams old people, etc.
To say either didn't cause harm by their reckless actions is to ignore the potential harm they could have caused that s why a 30mph zone is 30 and not the national speed limit and why driving deliberately at another road user even if you didn't hit them is an offence.
The other issue was to show that a car driver willfully and repeatedly driving dangerously was dealt with by the courts in a similar way to a motorcyclist doing the same thing.
With the limited information we have available much more cannot be concluded about the cases as the criminal/motoring history of the offender is not known.
We will have to agree to disagree then but he was definitely not swerving across the road aiming for people from the information available.It is similar in nature if not exactly the same actions, the driver deliberately drove in a dangerous way, the motorcyclist deliberately rode in a dangerous way. If either had miscalculated they could have caused danger to others. If the biker had lost it at 100 mph in a 30 zone how far would the bike travel before it came to a rest and what would it have ploughed through on the way, prams old people, etc.
To say either didn't cause harm by their reckless actions is to ignore the potential harm they could have caused that s why a 30mph zone is 30 and not the national speed limit and why driving deliberately at another road user even if you didn't hit them is an offence.
The other issue was to show that a car driver willfully and repeatedly driving dangerously was dealt with by the courts in a similar way to a motorcyclist doing the same thing.
With the limited information we have available much more cannot be concluded about the cases as the criminal/motoring history of the offender is not known.
Vipers said:
Some of the comments are a joke, are they for real or just trying to wind people up.
DunnoDo you want to use examples of these so we have more of an idea of where you are coming from?
Or are you just another GG anti biker?
Only asking because we get loads of odd comments from people who never normally enter BB unless one of us hairy arsed bad mannered un-law abiding mother feckers steps out of line. Like
If this was this guys first offence, then yes, you could easily argue that the punishment is dis-proportionate to the crime
But as I understand it, this guy has a motoring violation list as long as my arm including previously being banned, and narrowly avoiding jail, for something similar
The guy mentioned above who was given 2 years for swerving at cyclists is local to me, and him and his Jeremy Kyle worthy family are like a one family crime wave. He also has previous convictions for violence, theft and drug dealing - hence the custodial sentence
But as I understand it, this guy has a motoring violation list as long as my arm including previously being banned, and narrowly avoiding jail, for something similar
The guy mentioned above who was given 2 years for swerving at cyclists is local to me, and him and his Jeremy Kyle worthy family are like a one family crime wave. He also has previous convictions for violence, theft and drug dealing - hence the custodial sentence
snorky782 said:
In other words:
Because not everyone else goes to jail, then I shouldn't.
I think I'm invincible and have no stats at all to back that up, but love to pretend it's the case. Cagers are the enemy.
I can ride at 8000mph safely everywhere because I'm so awesome, but a, incapable of working out when I'm doing 8000moh or 23mph.
Not at all, and I was pretty clear about what I said, just to avoid a××hole comments like this.Because not everyone else goes to jail, then I shouldn't.
I think I'm invincible and have no stats at all to back that up, but love to pretend it's the case. Cagers are the enemy.
I can ride at 8000mph safely everywhere because I'm so awesome, but a, incapable of working out when I'm doing 8000moh or 23mph.
Speeding on a motorbike is something we all do, if you get on any bike and do not exceed the stupid speed limits that were set decades ago for cars with crossplies and drum brakes, then there is something wrong with you
My point was very clear, speeding on a bike is vastly over punished in the courts especially compared to the current softly softly absurdities of sentencing in socialist Britain.
The obvious dangers on the roads, added to the deranged bias against bikers and the offensively lenient sentences against people who kill motorcyclists leave me with zero respect for the courts of officers of the law and a massive enthusiasm for doing WTF I want to, whenever I want to, irregardless of any stupid laws
black-k1 said:
I'm not saying speeding is the cause or even a significant significant contributory factor but be careful about stats and "hardly ever kill themselves" comments. 25% of bike KSI accidents are single vehicle which means in almost 1 quarter of fatal accidents, bikers do kill themselves!
http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20110503...
While the biker is more often the innocent victim in other accident types, it still works out that the biker was at fault enough times to say that (give or take a little bit) a biker is overall about as likely to "kill themselves" as they are to be killed by someone else!
You are correct, my point was that there are sufficient penalties awaiting us in the hedges and walls around, we do not need stupid laws ruling our behaviour as a double jeopardy after the fact.http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20110503...
While the biker is more often the innocent victim in other accident types, it still works out that the biker was at fault enough times to say that (give or take a little bit) a biker is overall about as likely to "kill themselves" as they are to be killed by someone else!
I have successfully used this in defence of my speed in a UK court, I simply told the judge myself (doing my own defence) that I had no real idea of my speed as I was observing the road ahead not my speedometer as it was "far more important" and "you don't have time to take your eyes off the road ahead, focus on the speedo, read, return your eyes to the road and dangers ahead"
Fleegle said:
Vipers said:
Some of the comments are a joke, are they for real or just trying to wind people up.
DunnoDo you want to use examples of these so we have more of an idea of where you are coming from?
Or are you just another GG anti biker?
Only asking because we get loads of odd comments from people who never normally enter BB unless one of us hairy arsed bad mannered un-law abiding mother feckers steps out of line. Like
"A dangerous motorcyclist has been jailed after incriminating footage was found on his headcam of him speeding at more than 150mph.
Clips on a memory card from Robert Hammond's helmet-mounted camera showed him doing a wheelie in a housing estate before hitting more than 110mph in a 30mph zone.
Hammond, 60, was also shown overtaking at more than 140mph, reaching speeds of 153mph and entering a 30mph speed-limit at 95mph in Sussex and Hampshire."
by the way what is BB?
Edited by Vipers on Saturday 30th January 11:05
Vipers said:
Definitely not anti biker, just find some comments almost unreal, comments like "Apart from the overtake, etc rest wasn't that bad" unless I am going blind it did say -
"A dangerous motorcyclist has been jailed after incriminating footage was found on his headcam of him speeding at more than 150mph.
Clips on a memory card from Robert Hammond's helmet-mounted camera showed him doing a wheelie in a housing estate before hitting more than 110mph in a 30mph zone.
Hammond, 60, was also shown overtaking at more than 140mph, reaching speeds of 153mph and entering a 30mph speed-limit at 95mph in Sussex and Hampshire."
by the way what is BB?
You've clearly never ridden a bike."A dangerous motorcyclist has been jailed after incriminating footage was found on his headcam of him speeding at more than 150mph.
Clips on a memory card from Robert Hammond's helmet-mounted camera showed him doing a wheelie in a housing estate before hitting more than 110mph in a 30mph zone.
Hammond, 60, was also shown overtaking at more than 140mph, reaching speeds of 153mph and entering a 30mph speed-limit at 95mph in Sussex and Hampshire."
by the way what is BB?
Edited by Vipers on Saturday 30th January 11:05
cat with a hat said:
Vipers said:
Definitely not anti biker, just find some comments almost unreal, comments like "Apart from the overtake, etc rest wasn't that bad" unless I am going blind it did say -
"A dangerous motorcyclist has been jailed after incriminating footage was found on his headcam of him speeding at more than 150mph.
Clips on a memory card from Robert Hammond's helmet-mounted camera showed him doing a wheelie in a housing estate before hitting more than 110mph in a 30mph zone.
Hammond, 60, was also shown overtaking at more than 140mph, reaching speeds of 153mph and entering a 30mph speed-limit at 95mph in Sussex and Hampshire."
by the way what is BB?
You've clearly never ridden a bike."A dangerous motorcyclist has been jailed after incriminating footage was found on his headcam of him speeding at more than 150mph.
Clips on a memory card from Robert Hammond's helmet-mounted camera showed him doing a wheelie in a housing estate before hitting more than 110mph in a 30mph zone.
Hammond, 60, was also shown overtaking at more than 140mph, reaching speeds of 153mph and entering a 30mph speed-limit at 95mph in Sussex and Hampshire."
by the way what is BB?
Edited by Vipers on Saturday 30th January 11:05
Vipers said:
cat with a hat said:
Vipers said:
Definitely not anti biker, just find some comments almost unreal, comments like "Apart from the overtake, etc rest wasn't that bad" unless I am going blind it did say -
"A dangerous motorcyclist has been jailed after incriminating footage was found on his headcam of him speeding at more than 150mph.
Clips on a memory card from Robert Hammond's helmet-mounted camera showed him doing a wheelie in a housing estate before hitting more than 110mph in a 30mph zone.
Hammond, 60, was also shown overtaking at more than 140mph, reaching speeds of 153mph and entering a 30mph speed-limit at 95mph in Sussex and Hampshire."
by the way what is BB?
You've clearly never ridden a bike."A dangerous motorcyclist has been jailed after incriminating footage was found on his headcam of him speeding at more than 150mph.
Clips on a memory card from Robert Hammond's helmet-mounted camera showed him doing a wheelie in a housing estate before hitting more than 110mph in a 30mph zone.
Hammond, 60, was also shown overtaking at more than 140mph, reaching speeds of 153mph and entering a 30mph speed-limit at 95mph in Sussex and Hampshire."
by the way what is BB?
Edited by Vipers on Saturday 30th January 11:05
You've clearly never ridden a modern bike.
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