Jerez Motogp

[3DP]

996 sps said:

Lincs Bloke you sound like Castrol Craig

[996 sps]

snorky782 said:

Damn science, I was going to counter with Schumacher and Senna being cocks as far as everyone knew whilst they were racing. Turned out they were actually top people, just very, very focused on winning championships.
.

This.................

[Lincsblokey]

996 sps said:

Love the sport, leave the boo'ing to those who dont appreciate the sport.

And thats my point, the tribal mentality folk doing the booing are the hardcore, blinkered VR fans, the real sad thing is, regardless of right or wrongs, one interview from VR to his loyalists could put an end to that, but he wont, as someone pointed out, he will take that bitter attitude about 2015 to the grave.

Ill always admire his riding ability, but his off track antics, going back to Biaggi, Gibernau, right through to marquez, leave lots to be desired.

But hey ho, if we all liked the same things, supported the same folk, life would be a boring place!

One thing thats been ignored though is the poor quality of the tyres.

Its not just the quality, but the inconsistent nature of them, as Scott Redding says, the track temps and conditions in FP3 were better than at the pre season test yet the tyres were completely different, and he was 2.3 seconds slower, as were pretty much all the grid.

This is mainly due to the fact that Michelin cant build a tyre that doesnt fall to pieces, even at club level here in the uk the tyres were overheating at a 2 degree track temp Donington Park meeting!

Also, rumour has it Pedrosa has signed for suzuki. shrewd move imho if true

[snorky782]

Biker's Nemesis said:

I am split 50/50 between Marquez and Rossi, I have never been keen on Lorenzo or Stoner. At the end of the day I am pretty sure none of them will care a not a jot what I think. I wouldn't "boo" any of them or walk past them without being star struck.

My wee wee just gets boiled by the same old people having a go at Rossi, yep he's been a tit in the past but so what, a global superstar who is nearly 40 is still right up there fighting for championships and wins.

We are watching history being made by a superstar who is great for the sport I love and I assume others who are contributing to these threads.

Let's not make these theses like the football and F1 threads, I need to wind my neck in too.

I agree, the issue for me is that the tribalism is almost fully entrenched now and the blinkers are on. At times it seems like who can be the most pro-Rossi is a competition on here. Even the merest hint of criticism brings out some pretty venomous replies. I hate the booing too.

Lorenzo has "told it like it is" from his perspective. Last year everyone loved Crutchlow for doing that. Rossi this year has criticised and openly blamed the tyre (Argentina) for a lower than expected performance, yet no hint of criticism comes his way.

I guess it's the hypocrisy that annoys me. I was (and still am) a big Rossi fan, I loved his switch to Yamaha and what he did, I was gutted when he couldn't make it work at Ducati. I also welcomed some real rivals though and enjoyed seeing someone beat him at racing (As much as I lie, Hayden , he won it more through Rossi's mechanical woes) for the first time in his career as it really pushed him on to come back stronger.

I just wish it went back to racing, rather than the blind support he seems to get, or worse the venomous bile spouted by many towards his rivals, for daring to beat him / not beat him, effectively for just being on track at the same time.

[the_nurse46]

Lincsblokey said:

Casey is a thoroughly nice chap.

The beginning of the end was the laguna incident and the abuse afterwards, including Mrs Stoner being spat at in the paddock at Donington by our glorious rossi lovers.

He hated the PR side of things, all he wanted to do was ride, simple.

Suppose JL could be a decent chap on one to one but not met him yet. Didn't know that happened at Donington with Casey's wife. That is a disgrace. Where did you hear about pedrosa at suzuki? That will be good move for him I feel.

[boyse7en]

Steve Bass said:

More fuel to the fire here...

i have it on VERY good authority JL is a complete weapons grde bell end in real life.
A guy I know works for Alpinestars and deals with the MotoGP guys leathers.
his comments, and I do paraphase here...

Dani Pedrosa... One of the nicest gus you could meet. Polite, helpful and charming.
Marc Marquez.... Was an absolute blast, really fun outgoing guy but become a bit more reserved and introverted since the "incident"
Jorge Lorenzo. Cock. utter Bell. Always blaming anything and everything. grumpy sour puss of the 1st order.
Casey Stoner.. Nice guy. introverted and quiet. But really nice one on one

so there we have it. JL is a cock. My mate at A* says so and you can't beat that..... It's science

I've only met JL, so can't comment on the others, but he was a nice, polite and helpful guy for the few hours I spent in his company. He was pretty quiet, but friendly enough. He doesn't eat much though

[immigrant]

3DP said:

996 sps said:

Lincs Bloke you sound like Castrol Craig

"tigerpaws"

[Hungrymc]

snorky782 said:

.

Lorenzo has "told it like it is" from his perspective. Last year everyone loved Crutchlow for doing that. Rossi this year has criticised and openly blamed the tyre (Argentina) for a lower than expected performance, yet no hint of criticism comes his way.

To be fair, Cal's "tell it like it is" has been annoying lots of people for ages. Tell it like it is can easily become spin some nonsense that suits your position. I'm a major Rossi fan (I don't boo and didn't spit on Mrs Stoner) but he did exactly the same last year with his conspiracy theory, I can see why he told himself that the world was against him, but that doesn't make it real.

And I don't think any of the comments criticizing Jorge are because he said the Tyres are an issue (we can all see some major inconstancy in them). It was the '80% throttle' and 'could have won easily' that irritated a few. I've no doubt that he was having to meter the throttle far more than normal, and I've no doubt if everything had been perfect he thinks he could have won.... Which takes us all the way back to the original point.

And having said I'm a major Rossi fan, I'll happily watch Marc lapping by himself, love seeing the rhythm Jorge can get into (when it's right, it's perfect), love seeing the Suzukis and Ducatis get closer to the Yamahas and Hondas etc. I think we are in for an epic season and I'm even more excited about next year.

[nervous]

stew-S160 said:

I've read the same comments before about those guys.

So what? They're not racing their politeness or their willingness to please. Totally immaterial.

[Superhoop]

I can't say I've ever been a fan of Stoner and to me, he always came across as a bit a sour faced tt... Then I read is autobiography, where he explains about his life growing up and his huge dislike of the media, his hatred of the pre race, post race interviews, basically a hatred of the whole media circus - he lead a very sheltered upbringing, basically him and his family, so media scrum was at odds with everything he'd ever know - he just wanted to race. He didn't enjoy it, so he left

He doesn't really have anything nice to say about Rossi, in fact he comes across as quite bitter towards him, but again, after reading his book, they are polar opposites, what with VR's love of the media circus, but I don't think VR was anything much to do with him quitting MotoGP

Do I like Stoner now? TBH, no, not really, but I do have a bit more respect for the decisions he has made and I definitely understand now, why he always looked so awkward and uncomfortable in front of the camera.

As for JL - I really do think he's a knob, however; whilst I don't like the blame everyone but himself for not winning stuff that he comes out with, but I wouldn't ever expect him to admit that he's not as quick as others around him, because if he does, he may as well quit.

[macdeb]

Lincsblokey said:

Biker's Nemesis said:

snorky782 said:

Damn science, I was going to counter with Schumacher and Senna being cocks as far as everyone knew whilst they were racing. Turned out they were actually top people, just very, very focused on winning championships.

I don't give a flying fudge about the personalities anyway. It's not that long ago that everyone hated Stoner and loved Marquez. Amazing how things change once Rossi puts on his tinfoil hat.

I am split 50/50 between Marquez and Rossi, I have never been keen on Lorenzo or Stoner. At the end of the day I am pretty sure none of them will care a not a jot what I think. I wouldn't "boo" any of them or walk past them without being star struck.

My wee wee just gets boiled by the same old people having a go at Rossi, yep he's been a tit in the past but so what, a global superstar who is nearly 40 is still right up there fighting for championships and wins.

We are watching history being made by a superstar who is great for the sport I love and I assume others who are contributing to these threads.

Let's not make these theses like the football and F1 threads, I need to wind my neck in too.

Unfortunately John, It went football-style tribal when 'cult rossi' arrived. it got Lazio-esque extreme last year, and as long as he rides, if he carries on refusing to admit fault for last year it will only get worse.

His fans drove Stoner away from the sport, if we are not careful they might drive Lorenzo or marquez out too

(not saying either of the other riders couldnt have dealt with it differently, but rossi was the prime factor, he simply cracked)

Edited by Lincsblokey on Monday 25th April 13:12

What a load of crap. Rossi's 'fans' responsible for driving Stoner out? and possibly Marquez? What bks. Problem here is Rossi wins a race, and you lot come out of the woodwork to slate him. Get over yourself Craig.

[egor110]

Does anyone really care who wins?

The race, the entertainment is more important to me than the victor.

[nervous]

Superhoop said:

whilst I don't like the blame everyone but himself for not winning stuff that he comes out with, but I wouldn't ever expect him to admit that he's not as quick as others around him, because if he does, he may as well quit.

Unless the 'excuses' he's giving are the truth, which he's in an excellent position to know, whereas you are absolutely not. None of us are. Absolutely pointless conjecture, based on bias and groundless opinion. Pure perception bias in action.

That anyone on this thread can honestly argue with anyone else that they're right and someone else is wrong is embarrassing. Makes me cringe to see you lot jumping up and down defending each others purely baseless opinions.

We're all entitled to opinions- the above is my opinion, for example- but actually getting personal with each other over something none of you actually KNOW about is ridiculous and stupid.

[CAPP0]

3DP said:

996 sps said:

Lincs Bloke you sound like Castrol Craig

[Superhoop]

nervous said:

Unless the 'excuses' he's giving are the truth, which he's in an excellent position to know, whereas you are absolutely not. None of us are. Absolutely pointless conjecture, based on bias and groundless opinion. Pure perception bias in action.

That anyone on this thread can honestly argue with anyone else that they're right and someone else is wrong is embarrassing. Makes me cringe to see you lot jumping up and down defending each others purely baseless opinions.

We're all entitled to opinions- the above is my opinion, for example- but actually getting personal with each other over something none of you actually KNOW about is ridiculous and stupid.

You're right I don't know.... But I can read

Lorenzo was, on average, 3kph faster on the main straight on every lap of the race - pretty impressive for 70-80% throttle. and with a back tyre that was spinning in 4th, 5th and 6th.

[Biker's Nemesis]

nervous said:

Unless the 'excuses' he's giving are the truth, which he's in an excellent position to know, whereas you are absolutely not. None of us are. Absolutely pointless conjecture, based on bias and groundless opinion. Pure perception bias in action.

That anyone on this thread can honestly argue with anyone else that they're right and someone else is wrong is embarrassing. Makes me cringe to see you lot jumping up and down defending each others purely baseless opinions.

We're all entitled to opinions- the above is my opinion, for example- but actually getting personal with each other over something none of you actually KNOW about is ridiculous and stupid.

Now how do you know people on here don't know an inside story?

Some speculation here from me...I reckon you're on the sherry at this time of an evening which seems to make you rather belligerent.

[Yoda.]

CAPP0 said:

3DP said:

996 sps said:

Lincs Bloke you sound like Castrol Craig

He is Castrol Craig.
I thought everyone know that by now!

[nervous]

Superhoop said:

You're right I don't know.... But I can read

Lorenzo was, on average, 3kph faster on the main straight on every lap of the race - pretty impressive for 70-80% throttle. and with a back tyre that was spinning in 4th, 5th and 6th.

Thing is, you're reading, and then interpolating. That's still not the same as knowing. He knows, you don't.

You simply don't have all the data, so stating you know makes you look less bright than you are. And stating you're right AND he's lying is just silly.

I'm not aiming this solely at you but at this thread, by the way, and I really don't care either way about Lorenzo or anyone else. I don't have any feelings about any of the riders- how could I? I don't know them, and biased gossip from semi-crazed fanatics seems to be a poor basis on which to judge someone. I just like watching the bikes and seeing good racing. I'm just saying that this insane exhibition of posturing by what appears to be half the forum is exactly the kind of thing our wives always leave us for.

[nervous]

Biker's Nemesis said:

Now how do you know people on here don't know an inside story?

Because if they did, they'd never shut up about it.

Look back through this thread and look at the weak st that gets turned out here as 'proof', and try and tell me that if anyone KNEW anything at all they'd keep it to themselves. If that were the case, then it wouldn't need to decend into the embarrassing bhing match it always inevitably does.

Biker's Nemesis said:

Some speculation here from me...I reckon you're on the sherry at this time of an evening which seems to make you rather belligerent.

A perfect example of my point, thank you.

I don't drink, and I'm not belligerent. But you believe I am, because my view doesn't match yours, despite knowing I'm very easy going and despite having my actual words at your disposal to see that I haven't said anything that is untrue.

You're of course entitled to believe I am belligerent or drunk or lying, but since I know my meaning and my meaning is even handed and fair without resorting to guesses, suppositions, assumptions or insults, then I feel it should have a valid place within any discussion.

That my contribution can be labelled as belligerent, especially when contrasted with the remainder of this thread in which grown men aggressively accuse each other of all kinds of tedious ste about something they have no influence or control over is an absolutely shining example of exactly the kind of perception bias I mean.

It's also a tiny bit ironic that the one person here not trading on assumption or aggression is marked out as belligerent, but that's cool. Just as last time, I can't do the listening for you. I know what I mean, have tried to carefully express it using the most appropriate words, so I can't do any more than that. But I can't be convinced I mean otherwise, I'm afraid.

Not to worry though, I'm more than happy to just not contribute to this conversation. As you were.

[y2blade]

CAPP0 said:

3DP said:

996 sps said:

Lincs Bloke you sound like Castrol Craig

996 you're sharp aren't you