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Yoda. said:
CAPP0 said:
3DP said:
996 sps said:
Lincs Bloke you sound like Castrol Craig
I thought everyone know that by now!
I caught up with the race last night and missed all the spoliers.
Yes a boring race from what we have had in the past but for me to see Rossi pole and at the front from the first lap to win was excellent.
I scanned the thread and lots brought up. Not read into it to much but thinking how can Yamaha support Jorge now he's leaving. Thinking rossi will beat him more and more this year which I hope personally,
I also hope for a good racing season. Main thing to get every year.
I did not think Jorge had the ball's to move to Ducati and will be interested to see if he can do well on the Ducati
Steve Bass said:
More fuel to the fire here...
i have it on VERY good authority JL is a complete weapons grde bell end in real life.
A guy I know works for Alpinestars and deals with the MotoGP guys leathers.
his comments, and I do paraphase here...
Dani Pedrosa... One of the nicest gus you could meet. Polite, helpful and charming.
Marc Marquez.... Was an absolute blast, really fun outgoing guy but become a bit more reserved and introverted since the "incident"
Jorge Lorenzo. Cock. utter Bell. Always blaming anything and everything. grumpy sour puss of the 1st order.
Casey Stoner.. Nice guy. introverted and quiet. But really nice one on one
so there we have it. JL is a cock. My mate at A* says so and you can't beat that..... It's science
I have heard only last year from a grid girl who has worked with the Yamaha team very similar regarding JL specifically. Plus a few more colourful accusations besides. i have it on VERY good authority JL is a complete weapons grde bell end in real life.
A guy I know works for Alpinestars and deals with the MotoGP guys leathers.
his comments, and I do paraphase here...
Dani Pedrosa... One of the nicest gus you could meet. Polite, helpful and charming.
Marc Marquez.... Was an absolute blast, really fun outgoing guy but become a bit more reserved and introverted since the "incident"
Jorge Lorenzo. Cock. utter Bell. Always blaming anything and everything. grumpy sour puss of the 1st order.
Casey Stoner.. Nice guy. introverted and quiet. But really nice one on one
so there we have it. JL is a cock. My mate at A* says so and you can't beat that..... It's science
Lincsblokey said:
And thats my point, the tribal mentality folk doing the booing are the hardcore, blinkered VR fans, the real sad thing is, regardless of right or wrongs, one interview from VR to his loyalists could put an end to that, but he wont, as someone pointed out, he will take that bitter attitude about 2015 to the grave. Yes I read this online - He has already stated he does not agree with boo'ing, made a good article for the writer though.
Ill always admire his riding ability, but his off track antics, going back to Biaggi, Gibernau, right through to marquez, leave lots to be desired. How about Biaggis attitude towards new 500 riders by riding close and fast whilst they were slowing down. Think of boxing, they hate the opponent until after the bout, the difference with Moto GP/Motorsport is your fighting your opponent all year. Hard to like someone you wanna beat each weekend a la Fogarty.......
But hey ho, if we all liked the same things, supported the same folk, life would be a boring place! For sure - But I like all of em personally, just want the racing close.
One thing thats been ignored though is the poor quality of the tyres.
Its not just the quality, but the inconsistent nature of them, as Scott Redding says, the track temps and conditions in FP3 were better than at the pre season test yet the tyres were completely different, and he was 2.3 seconds slower, as were pretty much all the grid.
This is mainly due to the fact that Michelin cant build a tyre that doesnt fall to pieces, even at club level here in the uk the tyres were overheating at a 2 degree track temp Donington Park meeting!
Also, rumour has it Pedrosa has signed for suzuki. shrewd move imho if true - Great news!
Ill always admire his riding ability, but his off track antics, going back to Biaggi, Gibernau, right through to marquez, leave lots to be desired. How about Biaggis attitude towards new 500 riders by riding close and fast whilst they were slowing down. Think of boxing, they hate the opponent until after the bout, the difference with Moto GP/Motorsport is your fighting your opponent all year. Hard to like someone you wanna beat each weekend a la Fogarty.......
But hey ho, if we all liked the same things, supported the same folk, life would be a boring place! For sure - But I like all of em personally, just want the racing close.
One thing thats been ignored though is the poor quality of the tyres.
Its not just the quality, but the inconsistent nature of them, as Scott Redding says, the track temps and conditions in FP3 were better than at the pre season test yet the tyres were completely different, and he was 2.3 seconds slower, as were pretty much all the grid.
This is mainly due to the fact that Michelin cant build a tyre that doesnt fall to pieces, even at club level here in the uk the tyres were overheating at a 2 degree track temp Donington Park meeting!
Also, rumour has it Pedrosa has signed for suzuki. shrewd move imho if true - Great news!
It's a real shame how Lorenzo has to search for excuses to justify himself not winning the race. The amount of times Rossi has lost out to Lorenzo in the past and every time he just says "well Lorenzo was faster today" or something similar. Lorenzo just cannot find the balls or respect to say anything of the sort. Instead he uses the fact his rear tyre was spinning as the ONLY reason he didn't win the race. I'm sorry to break it to you Jorge but Rossi was using 50% throttle on the straight for the latter part of the race, and almost every other rider on the grid had rear tyre grip issues. Adapt your riding style to counter these issues, don't go complaining to Michelin ordering them to change the rear tyre like you did in the post race press conference. A pathetic excuse for a world champion. I wonder if DORNA will succumb to his needs??????
JRC1 said:
It's a real shame how Lorenzo has to search for excuses to justify himself not winning the race. The amount of times Rossi has lost out to Lorenzo in the past and every time he just says "well Lorenzo was faster today" or something similar. Lorenzo just cannot find the balls or respect to say anything of the sort. Instead he uses the fact his rear tyre was spinning as the ONLY reason he didn't win the race. I'm sorry to break it to you Jorge but Rossi was using 50% throttle on the straight for the latter part of the race, and almost every other rider on the grid had rear tyre grip issues. Adapt your riding style to counter these issues, don't go complaining to Michelin ordering them to change the rear tyre like you did in the post race press conference. A pathetic excuse for a world champion. I wonder if DORNA will succumb to his needs??????
Like they succumbed to rosi at the end of 2015?The fact is Rossi has a entourage telling him he's awesome and Marquez has his family telling him he's awesome even when they haven't won.
Lorenzo seems a bit of a loner so he tells himself he's awesome .
JRC1 said:
It's a real shame how Lorenzo has to search for excuses to justify himself not winning the race. The amount of times Rossi has lost out to Lorenzo in the past and every time he just says "well Lorenzo was faster today" or something similar. Lorenzo just cannot find the balls or respect to say anything of the sort. Instead he uses the fact his rear tyre was spinning as the ONLY reason he didn't win the race. I'm sorry to break it to you Jorge but Rossi was using 50% throttle on the straight for the latter part of the race, and almost every other rider on the grid had rear tyre grip issues. Adapt your riding style to counter these issues, don't go complaining to Michelin ordering them to change the rear tyre like you did in the post race press conference. A pathetic excuse for a world champion. I wonder if DORNA will succumb to his needs??????
Absolutely brilliant. This would be the same Rossi who complained about his rear tyre in Argentina a few weeks back? The same Rossi who claimed a conspiracy because people were beating him? The same Roosi who had Michelin making special tyres for just him back when there wasn't a control tyre?
egor110 said:
Like they succumbed to rosi at the end of 2015?
The fact is Rossi has a entourage telling him he's awesome and Marquez has his family telling him he's awesome even when they haven't won.
Lorenzo seems a bit of a loner so he tells himself he's awesome .
Succumb to Rossi? You are having a laugh right? They conveniently awarded him 3 penalty points so that any hope of winning the championship was diminished. Anyway, that's a conversation for another day and another thread.The fact is Rossi has a entourage telling him he's awesome and Marquez has his family telling him he's awesome even when they haven't won.
Lorenzo seems a bit of a loner so he tells himself he's awesome .
snorky782 said:
Absolutely brilliant.
This would be the same Rossi who complained about his rear tyre in Argentina a few weeks back? The same Rossi who claimed a conspiracy because people were beating him? The same Roosi who had Michelin making special tyres for just him back when there wasn't a control tyre?
Firstly, thanks.This would be the same Rossi who complained about his rear tyre in Argentina a few weeks back? The same Rossi who claimed a conspiracy because people were beating him? The same Roosi who had Michelin making special tyres for just him back when there wasn't a control tyre?
Funny. I read this whole thread this morning and the only username that stuck out for being a slightly bitter Rossi hater was yours... and look who responds to my post.
I can't recall the exact quote from Argentina you are referring to but I think every rider on the grid has mentioned some dissatisfaction with the Michelin's this year... including Valentino.
Does he use it as an excuse or in fact make any excuses when Jorge or any of the others regularly beat him? No. This was my point.
Whether you are a Rossi fan or not, Lorenzo is not man enough to accept a loss, he is not man enough to say Vale was faster today. Aside from his smooth riding style and speed (when every element of the bike/track/conditions are perfect) he is a disgrace to the sport and I hope he fails miserably with Ducati.
He strives so much for people to love him yet in every interview and in fact whenever he opens his mouth he just comes across as an arrogant child who can't get his own way.
someone really said:
His fans drove Stoner away from the sport, if we are not careful they might drive Lorenzo or marquez out too
Of course they did 
Every interview, report and snippet from those that know him say otherwise. He's an incredibly private person who is enjoying being a dad.
As for Lorenzo I preferred him when he used to chew lollipops and eject at high velocity, whingy tosser and showed a total lack of class shaking his head and making a fuss over something that was outside of his control. What the f
k would he have done back in days when the bikes simply didn't handle and there wasn't a technician to dial everything in? The anti Rossi sentiment is baffling to me, we have the GOAT riding in our era, doing things never to be repeated and people don't like it? Really? The incident last year was no worse than what happened with Gibernau or his off roading with Casey. Would you all trade that for another boring sod on the grid?JRC1 said:
egor110 said:
Like they succumbed to rosi at the end of 2015?
The fact is Rossi has a entourage telling him he's awesome and Marquez has his family telling him he's awesome even when they haven't won.
Lorenzo seems a bit of a loner so he tells himself he's awesome .
Succumb to Rossi? You are having a laugh right? They conveniently awarded him 3 penalty points so that any hope of winning the championship was diminished. Anyway, that's a conversation for another day and another thread.The fact is Rossi has a entourage telling him he's awesome and Marquez has his family telling him he's awesome even when they haven't won.
Lorenzo seems a bit of a loner so he tells himself he's awesome .
snorky782 said:
Absolutely brilliant.
This would be the same Rossi who complained about his rear tyre in Argentina a few weeks back? The same Rossi who claimed a conspiracy because people were beating him? The same Roosi who had Michelin making special tyres for just him back when there wasn't a control tyre?
Firstly, thanks.This would be the same Rossi who complained about his rear tyre in Argentina a few weeks back? The same Rossi who claimed a conspiracy because people were beating him? The same Roosi who had Michelin making special tyres for just him back when there wasn't a control tyre?
Funny. I read this whole thread this morning and the only username that stuck out for being a slightly bitter Rossi hater was yours... and look who responds to my post.
I can't recall the exact quote from Argentina you are referring to but I think every rider on the grid has mentioned some dissatisfaction with the Michelin's this year... including Valentino.
Does he use it as an excuse or in fact make any excuses when Jorge or any of the others regularly beat him? No. This was my point.
Whether you are a Rossi fan or not, Lorenzo is not man enough to accept a loss, he is not man enough to say Vale was faster today. Aside from his smooth riding style and speed (when every element of the bike/track/conditions are perfect) he is a disgrace to the sport and I hope he fails miserably with Ducati.
He strives so much for people to love him yet in every interview and in fact whenever he opens his mouth he just comes across as an arrogant child who can't get his own way.
He complained and blamed the tyres in Argentina. The reason I raise this is that manybarenskating Lorenzo for it and yet Rossi did exactly what you are mocking Lorenzo for doing. Hypocrisy is a word that jumps out here.
snorky782 said:
Unbelievable. Anyone states anything that is true about Rossi not being perfect and immediately you're a Rossi hater. Some of us have seen his whole career and watched him turn a dying sport around. However, we're also not so blinkered as to believe he is perfect.
He complained and blamed the tyres in Argentina. The reason I raise this is that manybarenskating Lorenzo for it and yet Rossi did exactly what you are mocking Lorenzo for doing. Hypocrisy is a word that jumps out here.
Have never once claimed Rossi to be perfect.He complained and blamed the tyres in Argentina. The reason I raise this is that manybarenskating Lorenzo for it and yet Rossi did exactly what you are mocking Lorenzo for doing. Hypocrisy is a word that jumps out here.
You're avoiding my point. If you have followed the sport for as long as you say you have then you'll know full well that 99 times out of 100, when Rossi is beaten he will be gracious in defeat. He's even done it so far this year, despite having every right to despise his two closest rivals.
Whereas Lorenzo always searches for excuses, has a strop and marches off to the back of the garage.
This is a fact, whether you're a fan of Rossi or Rabat.
JRC1 said:
snorky782 said:
Unbelievable. Anyone states anything that is true about Rossi not being perfect and immediately you're a Rossi hater. Some of us have seen his whole career and watched him turn a dying sport around. However, we're also not so blinkered as to believe he is perfect.
He complained and blamed the tyres in Argentina. The reason I raise this is that manybarenskating Lorenzo for it and yet Rossi did exactly what you are mocking Lorenzo for doing. Hypocrisy is a word that jumps out here.
Have never once claimed Rossi to be perfect.He complained and blamed the tyres in Argentina. The reason I raise this is that manybarenskating Lorenzo for it and yet Rossi did exactly what you are mocking Lorenzo for doing. Hypocrisy is a word that jumps out here.
You're avoiding my point. If you have followed the sport for as long as you say you have then you'll know full well that 99 times out of 100, when Rossi is beaten he will be gracious in defeat. He's even done it so far this year, despite having every right to despise his two closest rivals.
Whereas Lorenzo always searches for excuses, has a strop and marches off to the back of the garage.
This is a fact, whether you're a fan of Rossi or Rabat.
When has lorenzo been defeated and marched to the back of the garage?
Surely if he's beaten he still gets up on the podium and spray the champagne rather than sulk in the garage.
If he's crashed out or isn't on the podium what exactly is he supposed to do , bum rush the podium and shake there hands?
I think lornzo is a bit of a loner and he does wear his hear on his sleeve whereas rossi and marquez are a lot more pr friendly.
egor110 said:
Absolute rubbish.
When has lorenzo been defeated and marched to the back of the garage?
Surely if he's beaten he still gets up on the podium and spray the champagne rather than sulk in the garage.
If he's crashed out or isn't on the podium what exactly is he supposed to do , bum rush the podium and shake there hands?
I think lornzo is a bit of a loner and he does wear his hear on his sleeve whereas rossi and marquez are a lot more pr friendly.
You obviously don't watch every session. He's missed out on qualifying spots at the last minute and thrown his toys out. Something hasn't gone right in practice and he's thrown his toys out. He finished second in this very race and had a paddy in parc ferme instead of celebrating the important points for the championship like Marc did.When has lorenzo been defeated and marched to the back of the garage?
Surely if he's beaten he still gets up on the podium and spray the champagne rather than sulk in the garage.
If he's crashed out or isn't on the podium what exactly is he supposed to do , bum rush the podium and shake there hands?
I think lornzo is a bit of a loner and he does wear his hear on his sleeve whereas rossi and marquez are a lot more pr friendly.
And best of all against your point, Sepang last year... he wasn't involved in the event, he didn't even see the event yet he got up on the podium and walked off in a strop because HIS TEAM MATE, not him, had a clash with another rider.
But of course, I'm chatting absolute rubbish.
JRC1 said:
egor110 said:
Absolute rubbish.
When has lorenzo been defeated and marched to the back of the garage?
Surely if he's beaten he still gets up on the podium and spray the champagne rather than sulk in the garage.
If he's crashed out or isn't on the podium what exactly is he supposed to do , bum rush the podium and shake there hands?
I think lornzo is a bit of a loner and he does wear his hear on his sleeve whereas rossi and marquez are a lot more pr friendly.
You obviously don't watch every session. He's missed out on qualifying spots at the last minute and thrown his toys out. Something hasn't gone right in practice and he's thrown his toys out. He finished second in this very race and had a paddy in parc ferme instead of celebrating the important points for the championship like Marc did.When has lorenzo been defeated and marched to the back of the garage?
Surely if he's beaten he still gets up on the podium and spray the champagne rather than sulk in the garage.
If he's crashed out or isn't on the podium what exactly is he supposed to do , bum rush the podium and shake there hands?
I think lornzo is a bit of a loner and he does wear his hear on his sleeve whereas rossi and marquez are a lot more pr friendly.
And best of all against your point, Sepang last year... he wasn't involved in the event, he didn't even see the event yet he got up on the podium and walked off in a strop because HIS TEAM MATE, not him, had a clash with another rider.
But of course, I'm chatting absolute rubbish.
How was Lorenzo not involved in the event when he finished 2nd?
If you were a manager and your rider didn't throw a paddy when missing out on qualifying you'd have to question how much they wanted it in the first place.
Lastly rossi doesn't need you valiantly fighting his corner online , there is no 'bestest' rossi fan t-shirt heading your way.
boxxob said:
I watched all of this and I dont think any toys were thrown or a paddy had. He wasn't happy with the tyres for most of the weekend. Because you watch every session, you will have seen this before, with Lorenzo, and he is usually right that things are not right because when he and the team get it all sorted, the other riders barely see which way he went.
Sepang - you don't think he saw the video and knew what was happening? Your team mate is your first enemy. And, those are Rossi's own words.
Ok, so he may have been shown quickly before the podium on an iPad a quick view of what happened... but to walk off the podium in protest of an event he wasn't even involved in? It was pathetic. The incident had nothing to do with him.Sepang - you don't think he saw the video and knew what was happening? Your team mate is your first enemy. And, those are Rossi's own words.
I take your point and agree to an extent but they are all professionals in the sense that most are right when things aren't right...
I just don't like the way he portrays himself and the lack of respect he shows to his team mate. I don't like the way he makes excuses rather than admitting the better man won today (regardless of who that man is).
Finally, I don't like the bullish comments made to Michelin when things aren't going right for him. Does he think that because he is world champion, he decides which tyres should be used and which should be re-called? From what he said in the post-race press conference, clearly he does.
egor110 said:
No , your speaking absolute rubbish.
How was Lorenzo not involved in the event when he finished 2nd?
If you were a manager and your rider didn't throw a paddy when missing out on qualifying you'd have to question how much they wanted it in the first place.
Lastly rossi doesn't need you valiantly fighting his corner online , there is no 'bestest' rossi fan t-shirt heading your way.
Well we'll have to agree to disagree on this one.How was Lorenzo not involved in the event when he finished 2nd?
If you were a manager and your rider didn't throw a paddy when missing out on qualifying you'd have to question how much they wanted it in the first place.
Lastly rossi doesn't need you valiantly fighting his corner online , there is no 'bestest' rossi fan t-shirt heading your way.
The way Lorenzo reacted at Sepang was condemned by fans of the sport, not just fans of Rossi. If you genuinely believe he reacted in a good way then it just baffles me. He'd have been bigger than both of them (Rossi, Marquez) combined if he said nothing, went home and calmly arrived in Valencia. He'd have gained a few more fans too (which he so desperately craves).
Well Rossi, at 37 years of age, a multi-millionaire who has done everything and beyond for the sport doesn't have a paddy when missing out on a quali place, yet are you questioning how much he wants his 10th title? He's probably the most motivated on the grid, or one of.
It's a real shame about that t-shirt, I could do with another one.
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