Steering not working?

[The Moose]

Everyone knows that countersteering exists and whilst not necessarily understanding the principles, understands what happens when moving at speed.

Everyone also knows that at slow speeds you steer in the "correct" direction.

At some point steering has to stop and countersteering has to start. Is there a speed when neither work because they cancel each other out?

[Gusto]

At zero corner speed you will fall off.

Cheers, The Moose

[OverSteery]

counter steering still results in the wheel being turned in the direction of the 'corner', both are preceded by the need to "unstabilise" the bike.
there is no real difference, just the speed and the change in gyroscopic resistance

[CaptainSlow]

The Moose said:

Everyone knows that countersteering exists and whilst not necessarily understanding the principles, understands what happens when moving at speed.

Everyone also knows that at slow speeds you steer in the "correct" direction.

At some point steering has to stop and countersteering has to start. Is there a speed when neither work because they cancel each other out?

Good spot, it's at about 15mph. At this speed it's impossible to steer a bike due to the counter-acting effect. Try it (use a GPS to make sure you're at 15mph rather than an inaccurate speedo).

[s3fella]

The Moose said:

Everyone knows that countersteering exists and whilst not necessarily understanding the principles, understands what happens when moving at speed.

Everyone also knows that at slow speeds you steer in the "correct" direction.

At some point steering has to stop and countersteering has to start. Is there a speed when neither work because they cancel each other out?

Mate, you're overthinking this!!

Drop your bike keys in the bin and get yourself one of them Stephen Hawkin replicas if you wanna be all "Poindexter" about it.

[curlie467]

Yep, don't be worrying about these things!

[OverSteery]

if you are really interested, this vid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C848R9xWrjc appears to explain things correctly (which can't be said of many of the other youtube vds)

[CAPP0]

You do have some strange ideas, The Moose.

[moanthebairns]

If I get my shopping trolley in asda up to 15 mph loaded with irn bru will the need to counter steer it be counteracted by the gyroscopic effect on the girders.

[ccr32]

moanthebairns said:

If I get my shopping trolley in asda up to 15 mph loaded with irn bru will the need to counter steer it be counteracted by the gyroscopic effect on the girders.

Only if you are on a conveyor belt at the time.

[Dr Jekyll]

I think there is a narrow speed range where you can either steer by turning the bars in the direction of the turn and staying upright, or by leaning the bike and therefore countersteering.