Some c¥"*$ have tried to nick my bike
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Well, there is a further update to this tale.
My brake disc arrived and I fitted it last Sunday. Since then I've been locking it to street furniture every night with an almax series iv and a squire ss65sc. Last night, someone tried to steal it. I am in north west London.
At least we have proof now of what scrotes like to use - it is indeed battery powered angle grinders. Since the original incident with the disc lock buggering up the brake disc, I bought a yellow stretchy thing because I assume they hadn't noticed the disc lock. But last night despite that being on display, which they can't have failed to notice, they attacked the chain anyway. The disc lock was not touched. I therefore wonder whether or not they had a van since how would they have got it away even if they got the chain off?
Why they gave up I don't know - I think either they were disturbed, or perhaps the grinder battery ran out. They were within a hairs-width of completing the task. The shackle fell in two when I touched it, although they would need both cuts all the way through to get the chain out as each side of the shackle is held in place with a squire so one cut is not enough.
Where I parked:
What they did to the lock. I think the marks on the chain are simply where the disc was rubbing while they were trying to cut the lock. I don't know why they didn't go through the chain, perhaps the case hardening makes it harder than the padlock? Don't know.
Hard to see what else I can do. I am living in a flat (separated from wife) so there is literally nowhere safe to park. It's not like it's a 10-grand Ducati ffs, it's a 5-grand scooter.
My brake disc arrived and I fitted it last Sunday. Since then I've been locking it to street furniture every night with an almax series iv and a squire ss65sc. Last night, someone tried to steal it. I am in north west London.
At least we have proof now of what scrotes like to use - it is indeed battery powered angle grinders. Since the original incident with the disc lock buggering up the brake disc, I bought a yellow stretchy thing because I assume they hadn't noticed the disc lock. But last night despite that being on display, which they can't have failed to notice, they attacked the chain anyway. The disc lock was not touched. I therefore wonder whether or not they had a van since how would they have got it away even if they got the chain off?
Why they gave up I don't know - I think either they were disturbed, or perhaps the grinder battery ran out. They were within a hairs-width of completing the task. The shackle fell in two when I touched it, although they would need both cuts all the way through to get the chain out as each side of the shackle is held in place with a squire so one cut is not enough.
Where I parked:
What they did to the lock. I think the marks on the chain are simply where the disc was rubbing while they were trying to cut the lock. I don't know why they didn't go through the chain, perhaps the case hardening makes it harder than the padlock? Don't know.
Hard to see what else I can do. I am living in a flat (separated from wife) so there is literally nowhere safe to park. It's not like it's a 10-grand Ducati ffs, it's a 5-grand scooter.
Fleegle said:
No way. Sharia Law prohibits alcohol. I'd end up sober and ebay would suffer as a result
Come on, what have you bought now?PS - sorry about all this OP. It's a s
t situation. I've had one nicked from London too, if you can't put it away inside something and you're already using Almax, I just don't know what else to suggest.Edited by CAPP0 on Sunday 12th June 21:53
RemyMartin said:
Sell it and get a car....they'll have that eventually. Sorry to say but someone's earmarked that and its only a matter of time. Either park it somewhere safe or sell. I wouldn't hesitate.
I was going to say this when you first posted this thread OP, but I didn't want to rain on your parade so I didn't. But now it seems those riff raff have been back and you have only had the bike a month. You are going to have to do something different or its only a matter of time. You can't get a better chain than the one you have and the crooks almost got your bike even with that. Next time they will just bring another battery. st situation, OP - I can't believe the gall of the bds either - angle grinder in broad daylight.
Interesting that they attacked the lock and not the chain; when my R1 and KTM were stolen they used a mains grinder (mine. In my own garage. Won't make that mistake again) and did the exact same cuts on the padlock (same padlock).
I can only conclude that the padlock is the weak point. I wonder if Steve from security for bikes/Pragmasis has a view on this. I've got one of those 19mm chains with the same Squire lock now, and it kind of makes it a waste of time - I figure I'm just as well off using a 12mm chain which at least I can carry*
t situation, OP - I can't believe the gall of the bds either - angle grinder in broad daylight.Interesting that they attacked the lock and not the chain; when my R1 and KTM were stolen they used a mains grinder (mine. In my own garage. Won't make that mistake again) and did the exact same cuts on the padlock (same padlock).
I can only conclude that the padlock is the weak point. I wonder if Steve from security for bikes/Pragmasis has a view on this. I've got one of those 19mm chains with the same Squire lock now, and it kind of makes it a waste of time - I figure I'm just as well off using a 12mm chain which at least I can carry*
- I actually stipulate the use of the Pragmasis stuff on my insurance, but only while it's locked in the garage - it's too heavy to use elsewhere, I'd need a support truck.
Dog Star said:
st situation, OP - I can't believe the gall of the bds either - angle grinder in broad daylight.
Interesting that they attacked the lock and not the chain; when my R1 and KTM were stolen they used a mains grinder (mine. In my own garage. Won't make that mistake again) and did the exact same cuts on the padlock (same padlock).
I can only conclude that the padlock is the weak point. I wonder if Steve from security for bikes/Pragmasis has a view on this. I've got one of those 19mm chains with the same Squire lock now, and it kind of makes it a waste of time - I figure I'm just as well off using a 12mm chain which at least I can carry*
Hi,t situation, OP - I can't believe the gall of the bds either - angle grinder in broad daylight.Interesting that they attacked the lock and not the chain; when my R1 and KTM were stolen they used a mains grinder (mine. In my own garage. Won't make that mistake again) and did the exact same cuts on the padlock (same padlock).
I can only conclude that the padlock is the weak point. I wonder if Steve from security for bikes/Pragmasis has a view on this. I've got one of those 19mm chains with the same Squire lock now, and it kind of makes it a waste of time - I figure I'm just as well off using a 12mm chain which at least I can carry*
- I actually stipulate the use of the Pragmasis stuff on my insurance, but only while it's locked in the garage - it's too heavy to use elsewhere, I'd need a support truck.
This is Steve of Pragmasis. I'm sorry to hear about this repeated attack, OP.
We make a similar 19mm chain and use the same Squire SS65CS lock (amongst others). These cordless grinders are becoming more common and they do indeed pose a serious threat.
However, it is true to say the security did its job. I disagree that a 12mm chain would be anywhere near as good as very few thieves are carrying and using grinders but virtually all bike thieves carry 42" bolt croppers and a 12mm chain will get cut, easily.
It's a numbers game. This level of security can realistically only be beaten with a grinder or some other serious tools that are also very risky from the thieves' point of view (easy to get hurt and easy to get caught). If you have a weedy chain, they can cut it the same way in seconds or with croppers or even by freezing and hammering it.
OP: It would be interesting to know if you can re-lock the lock, with the split shackle, and actually get the chain in or out. It looks to me like they didn't make the cuts close enough to the body of the lock so even if they had got all the way through, it still wouldn't have released the chain. That type of attack is very dependent upon the cuts being very precise in position and angle, and at least one cut looks 'off' in both respects. This is exactly why we recommend using a close-fitting lock on the chain as clearance between the chain and lock body makes a grinder (or oven cropper) attack much easier.
So, yes, they nearly cut through the lock but you've still got your bike and they risked getting caught and mucked-up their attack for nothing.
One option for fixing the lock might be to simply replace the shackle. You're an Almax customer so perhaps Alex will help out. If not, let me know and we will see if we can do anything.
FYI Squire have just launched a new "SS80CS" lock that is more of a deterrent against this type of attack, especially when used with a close-fitting lock as it has a 16mm thick shackle (that you'd still have to cut twice). It's twice the weight of the SS65CS so you wouldn't want to carry it around.
If you're willing, another option might be to have a second chain with a different type of lock that can also deter such attacks. Again, we might be able to help if you want to e-mail me.
I hope that helps,
Steve.
Pragma said:
One option for fixing the lock might be to simply replace the shackle. You're an Almax customer so perhaps Alex will help out. If not, let me know and we will see if we can do anything.
I didn't know that was possible, Steve - I still have my lock from my original theft attempt. If I can get that fixed it would be useful. Would it need sending back to you?And while you're about it how much are new lock barrels (although I should still have the keys).
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Ronzx6r said:
Get a Honda grom thing and keep it in your flat?
I like this idea! What I can't fathom if it's chancers who fancy their luck or its being stolen to order as (and I have no issue with maxi scoots) its hardly the most desirable bike to nick or break for parts.
Either way, can't pragmasis give you a lock for free ;-) you know to trial.
FFS mate
Sorry to hear ... it's obviously been ear marked .
Is the Scooter alarmed also?
I would use multiple chains to further deter. Eventually they will get the message and leave you be.
The other thing is to set up security cameras over the parking space to capture vehicle registration / facial images.
Sorry to hear ... it's obviously been ear marked .
Is the Scooter alarmed also?
I would use multiple chains to further deter. Eventually they will get the message and leave you be.
The other thing is to set up security cameras over the parking space to capture vehicle registration / facial images.
Dog Star said:
I didn't know that was possible, Steve - I still have my lock from my original theft attempt. If I can get that fixed it would be useful. Would it need sending back to you?
And while you're about it how much are new lock barrels (although I should still have the keys).
(Orb)
Hiya,And while you're about it how much are new lock barrels (although I should still have the keys).
(Orb)
Long time no see.
Replacing the shackle can be a little fiddly as it sometimes needs to be tweaked with a fly press to slide into the lock body properly. You might get away with doing that in a vice, but it might need to be a big vice... We haven't got a fly press ourselves, but we have got a big vice and several shackles to try so it may be simplest to send the lock to us. E-mail me and we can sort it out either way.
There's a choice of cylinders. We use the restricted profile R1 cylinder now and the cylinder only is about £13.00. We can get that keyed-alike if you want to match other similar-cylinder locks for +£6.00. The standard profile cylinder is the same price. We use both ourselves, so it's not like the standard one is rubbish (despite all sorts of stuff on YouTube).
Shackle and cylinder swapping both need the key to open the lock (Doh!) but also need the lock to be _not_ the Moto version, as that is pinned together at the factory and that knackers any of these repair/tweaking ideas, unfortunately, as you can't take the lock apart. If you take off the rubber bump strip around the base of the lock and look into the little indents in the groove, if you can see little ball bearings there then it's the Moto and you've got to replace the whole lock. We used to sell the Moto version years ago but switched away from it precisely because it's such a pain in these situations. The non-Moto locks will come apart if you open the lock and then use an Allen key down the shackle hole to undo the cap screw. Beware that it's a little fiddley to get them back together and the ball bearings will bounce a long way if they escape
If you undo that screw 2 turns and the cylinder retainer at the bottom of the lock starts to come loose then you've got the non-Moto lock and the innerds can be swapped as required.I hope that helps.
Cheers,
Steve.
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