Pirelli Diablo Rosso Corsas - Scary in the wet or pussy?
Discussion
TommyBuoy said:
They are a track biased road tyre - of course you can ride them in the wet, but you'll likely die ;-)
Rosso II are a decent tyre and still have a soft compound. Rosso III are similar to II, but wear better.
I wouldn't say die, in the wet I found them ok, but what really got me was the wet and the cold. Then they are really not a nice place to be. I had them on the F3, and they squared off well before the tread was gone. I switched to the Rosso III's and found them much better for he road.Rosso II are a decent tyre and still have a soft compound. Rosso III are similar to II, but wear better.
I found the Rosso II's ok in the dry and relative warm temperatures, but in the cold and wet really not good. The Rosso III's are far better all round and much better wet performance. I have the III's on the MV and II's (OEM) on the 821. The 821 will be getting PR4's or PS next, but it is mainly a commuter.
Edited by Wildfire on Friday 16th December 10:06
If you're riding all year get the right tyre basically. However I'd be worried if a current full on road biased sport tyre was really that bad in the wet. If its a track biased but happens to be road legal then I'd suggest its not the tyre to be using in poor weather.
99% of people here won't be able to out ride a modern sport touring tyre on the track let alone public road with speed limits/traffic and rubbish road surfaces before you then add bad weather into the mix.
I certainly can't. Currently using PR4s no issues or arguments on their abilities for what I need.
If you say you need more grip in the summer on the public road then you're riding way to hard to be safe or avoid some jail time if caught or more likely the BS is strong in you.
For the small percentage of riders with real skill on the track no arguments there.
I remember some a couple of old duffers with big beer bellies on their huge chicken stip-ed up Supercorsas on their twin matching Ducati 1098/1198s at Box Hill telling me absolutely straight faced and seriously one sunny sunday they were really awesome in the wet. LOL
99% of people here won't be able to out ride a modern sport touring tyre on the track let alone public road with speed limits/traffic and rubbish road surfaces before you then add bad weather into the mix.
I certainly can't. Currently using PR4s no issues or arguments on their abilities for what I need.
If you say you need more grip in the summer on the public road then you're riding way to hard to be safe or avoid some jail time if caught or more likely the BS is strong in you.
For the small percentage of riders with real skill on the track no arguments there.
I remember some a couple of old duffers with big beer bellies on their huge chicken stip-ed up Supercorsas on their twin matching Ducati 1098/1198s at Box Hill telling me absolutely straight faced and seriously one sunny sunday they were really awesome in the wet. LOL
I think people over tyre their bikes.
I have PR3 on a ZX7R.
I don't often use it for scratching but commuting it's perfectly fine and there are some nice big roundabouts and a few twisties that I give it some stick in.
They are great in all conditions even in pissing wet and also that horrible greasy phase between dry and wet.
Do some of the comments REALLY need a track biased tyre for pootling to their local biker Cafe?
I have PR3 on a ZX7R.
I don't often use it for scratching but commuting it's perfectly fine and there are some nice big roundabouts and a few twisties that I give it some stick in.
They are great in all conditions even in pissing wet and also that horrible greasy phase between dry and wet.
Do some of the comments REALLY need a track biased tyre for pootling to their local biker Cafe?
Birky_41 said:
What are DRC's? A mate runs SC's on road and like you said he has to be pushing the pace to keep grip in them which is a bit stupid on the road
DRC - Diablo Rosso Corsas.I ran Super Corsa SC1 and SC2's on the road as I needed some tyres and someone kindly gave me some scrubs. They were great on a hot day and long runs out, but as soon as you stopped they started losing heat. As sjscott says track tyres on the road are not needed. PR4's are more than enough for most and brilliant all round, save that the profile isn't very aggressive and they are a bit heavier resulting in slower turn in.
I liked the profile of the Ross III's over the M7RR and have no complaints. I'd like to see how the new Michelin Pilot Streets are for day to day riding as I ride my Monster all year round.
I know someone who regularly swears he NEEDS Supercorsas on the road, chicken strips almost meet in the middle and he only changes when he is at the canvas....
Edited by Wildfire on Friday 16th December 11:05
Wildfire said:
DRC - Diablo Rosso Corsas.
I ran Super Corsa SC1 and SC2's on the road as I needed some tyres and someone kindly gave me some scrubs. They were great on a hot day and long runs out, but as soon as you stopped they started losing heat. As sjscott says track tyres on the road are not needed. PR4's are more than enough for most and brilliant all round, save that the profile isn't very aggressive and they are a bit heavier resulting in slower turn in.
I liked the profile of the Ross III's over the M7RR and have no complaints. I'd like to see how the new Michelin Pilot Streets are for day to day riding as I ride my Monster all year round.
I know someone who regularly swears he NEEDS Supercorsas on the road, chicken strips almost meet in the middle and he only changes when he is at the canvas....
I agree with you on the PR4 profile.. for that I found trying the Dunlop equivalent Roadsmart 1 or 2 always gave slightly better handling and for me dry weather grip at a cost of a little longevity. I found on my previous bike the handling was better on the Dunlop Roadsmart 1 or 2 over PR2s and most def better than PR3 front which really didn't suit the blackbird.I ran Super Corsa SC1 and SC2's on the road as I needed some tyres and someone kindly gave me some scrubs. They were great on a hot day and long runs out, but as soon as you stopped they started losing heat. As sjscott says track tyres on the road are not needed. PR4's are more than enough for most and brilliant all round, save that the profile isn't very aggressive and they are a bit heavier resulting in slower turn in.
I liked the profile of the Ross III's over the M7RR and have no complaints. I'd like to see how the new Michelin Pilot Streets are for day to day riding as I ride my Monster all year round.
I know someone who regularly swears he NEEDS Supercorsas on the road, chicken strips almost meet in the middle and he only changes when he is at the canvas....
Edited by Wildfire on Friday 16th December 11:05
I will either be trying the metz roadtec 01 or Roadsmart 3s next. Since I'm on a speed triple now.. I test rode it on knackered PR2s which were so badly worn it handled like crap vs PR4 which I got it supplied with from the dealer I bought it from.
Edited by sjtscott on Friday 16th December 11:29
Wildfire said:
DRC - Diablo Rosso Corsas.
I ran Super Corsa SC1 and SC2's on the road as I needed some tyres and someone kindly gave me some scrubs. They were great on a hot day and long runs out, but as soon as you stopped they started losing heat. As sjscott says track tyres on the road are not needed. PR4's are more than enough for most and brilliant all round, save that the profile isn't very aggressive and they are a bit heavier resulting in slower turn in.
I liked the profile of the Ross III's over the M7RR and have no complaints. I'd like to see how the new Metzler's are for day to day riding as I ride my Monster all year round.
I know someone who regularly swears he NEEDS Supercorsas on the road, chicken strips almost meet in the middle and he only changes when he is at the canvas....
I ran Super Corsa SC1 and SC2's on the road as I needed some tyres and someone kindly gave me some scrubs. They were great on a hot day and long runs out, but as soon as you stopped they started losing heat. As sjscott says track tyres on the road are not needed. PR4's are more than enough for most and brilliant all round, save that the profile isn't very aggressive and they are a bit heavier resulting in slower turn in.
I liked the profile of the Ross III's over the M7RR and have no complaints. I'd like to see how the new Metzler's are for day to day riding as I ride my Monster all year round.
I know someone who regularly swears he NEEDS Supercorsas on the road, chicken strips almost meet in the middle and he only changes when he is at the canvas....
Edited by Wildfire on Friday 16th December 11:05
Wildfire said:
DRC - Diablo Rosso Corsas.
I ran Super Corsa SC1 and SC2's on the road as I needed some tyres and someone kindly gave me some scrubs. They were great on a hot day and long runs out, but as soon as you stopped they started losing heat. As sjscott says track tyres on the road are not needed. PR4's are more than enough for most and brilliant all round, save that the profile isn't very aggressive and they are a bit heavier resulting in slower turn in.
I liked the profile of the Ross III's over the M7RR and have no complaints. I'd like to see how the new Michelin Pilot Streets are for day to day riding as I ride my Monster all year round.
I know someone who regularly swears he NEEDS Supercorsas on the road, chicken strips almost meet in the middle and he only changes when he is at the canvas....
Ah yes Rosso Corsa! I agree as a summer tyre they are very good. I would happily run the same pace as supercorsa which is what I have on mine now (what came on it from new) and did IOM over summer. 1400 miles in a week, 6 or so mountain runs and the Ramsey sprint. Got back home and the tyre still looked freshI ran Super Corsa SC1 and SC2's on the road as I needed some tyres and someone kindly gave me some scrubs. They were great on a hot day and long runs out, but as soon as you stopped they started losing heat. As sjscott says track tyres on the road are not needed. PR4's are more than enough for most and brilliant all round, save that the profile isn't very aggressive and they are a bit heavier resulting in slower turn in.
I liked the profile of the Ross III's over the M7RR and have no complaints. I'd like to see how the new Michelin Pilot Streets are for day to day riding as I ride my Monster all year round.
I know someone who regularly swears he NEEDS Supercorsas on the road, chicken strips almost meet in the middle and he only changes when he is at the canvas....
Edited by Wildfire on Friday 16th December 11:05
Birky_41 said:
Ah yes Rosso Corsa! I agree as a summer tyre they are very good. I would happily run the same pace as supercorsa which is what I have on mine now (what came on it from new) and did IOM over summer. 1400 miles in a week, 6 or so mountain runs and the Ramsey sprint. Got back home and the tyre still looked fresh
Looks like a Dragster RR if I'm not mistaken?Wildfire said:
Looks like a Dragster RR if I'm not mistaken?
Yes you know your bikes! Brilliant bike although the 200 rear was hard to run all the tread on the back. I could on track but it bottomed out pegs, belly pan etc and squated about all over the place bless itI sold it mid September and run a Aprilia Tuono Factory now but I did really love that MV
Mr OCD said:
Used both Pirelli Diablo Rosso 3's and Metzler M7RR's ... the Pirelli gives better mileage and steering. Both are great tyres - I personally prefer the Pirellis based on doing 8000 miles on them and 20k + on M7RR's. They are NOT the same tyre.
I didnt know that! Got guys always saying there were very similar. What one did you prefer in cold/damp conditions? Pirelli always seem to be good in dry I findBirky_41 said:
I didnt know that! Got guys always saying there were very similar. What one did you prefer in cold/damp conditions? Pirelli always seem to be good in dry I find
That is true for some of the tyres... certainly not for the M7's via PDR3's ... I actually prefer the Pirelli's in the cold / damp - they give good feedback. The M7's have let go a couple times without notice. But that's just my opinion. You can't go wrong with either ...Michelin are releasing the new Power RS in January... Motorad say its better in the dry than both the M7's and PDR3's ... so will be trying them.
I'm not loyal to any brand but I think Pirelli tyres are bloody brilliant!
sjtscott said:
I agree with you on the PR4 profile.. for that I found trying the Dunlop equivalent Roadsmart 1 or 2 always gave slightly better handling and for me dry weather grip at a cost of a little longevity. I found on my previous bike the handling was better on the Dunlop Roadsmart 1 or 2 over PR2s and most def better than PR3 front which really didn't suit the blackbird.
I will either be trying the metz roadtec 01 or Roadsmart 3s next. Since I'm on a speed triple now.. I test rode it on knackered PR2s which were so badly worn it handled like crap vs PR4 which I got it supplied with from the dealer I bought it from.
Roadtec 01 seems like it would be a good tyre in the summer (talking all year tyres) and from what I have experienced, it's pretty good in the wet but not quite pilot road 4 good. It's not far off and I would recommend trying them. They're definitely the sportier tyre out of the two.I will either be trying the metz roadtec 01 or Roadsmart 3s next. Since I'm on a speed triple now.. I test rode it on knackered PR2s which were so badly worn it handled like crap vs PR4 which I got it supplied with from the dealer I bought it from.
Edited by sjtscott on Friday 16th December 11:29
TommyBuoy said:
They are a track biased road tyre - of course you can ride them in the wet, but you'll likely die ;-)
Rosso II are a decent tyre and still have a soft compound. Rosso III are similar to II, but wear better.
I have the Rosso 3 on my H2. I wanted something that would last more than 1200miles before a new rear was needed. Will see how they wear and maybe trying the Diablo Rosso for the summer. Rosso II are a decent tyre and still have a soft compound. Rosso III are similar to II, but wear better.
With more track orientated rubber it's going to not like wet and cold roads.
Birky_41 said:
Hmm kinda true in my opinion to a point. Rosso Corsa are not a track tyre but are a fast road dual compound tyre thats pretty crap in the wet --- but not as bad as supercorsa SP which are a joke in cold/wet
Interesting. I rode home in 3-4degree drizzle with Supercorsas and was pleasantly surprised by how warm they were from just rolling down the motorway. Certainly didn't get instakilled and they seemed warmer and gave more confidence than other tyres have after a long ride. Certainly not ideal for winter commuting, but not as bad as some would have you believe IMO.
(FWIW I have Angel STs on my bike at the moment and ran Rosso Corsas before that. No problems with Rosso Corsas in the rain here.)
Reading this thread, I'm a newbie with what type of rubber and some of the high tech banter.
I have a Panigale 1299 that has these tyres from the factory, can I ask what would you guys recommend for replacement?
I ride like a girl most of the time and only do the odd wheelie in a straight line when I can see it's all clear.
Will I need to replace both front and rear at the same time if I wanted more suitable tyre for wet conditions
I have a Panigale 1299 that has these tyres from the factory, can I ask what would you guys recommend for replacement?
I ride like a girl most of the time and only do the odd wheelie in a straight line when I can see it's all clear.
Will I need to replace both front and rear at the same time if I wanted more suitable tyre for wet conditions
I'm really struggling seeing the logic in this thread.
I've fitted winter tyres to my car and they're brilliant when it's cold and s
t when it's above 10 degrees. The tyres being discussed originally are like Pilot Cup tyres and designed for summer use. No wonder they don't work.
In terms of the rest of it then most tyres are way beyond our capability and stressing over make / model / compound is a bit OTT and probably made up as well.
riding at this time of year is st, driving is equally slippy and rubbish. It's not the tyres it's the cold temps, the lack of rain and the build up of morning dew and slime on the roads.
I've fitted winter tyres to my car and they're brilliant when it's cold and s
t when it's above 10 degrees. The tyres being discussed originally are like Pilot Cup tyres and designed for summer use. No wonder they don't work. In terms of the rest of it then most tyres are way beyond our capability and stressing over make / model / compound is a bit OTT and probably made up as well.
riding at this time of year is s
t, driving is equally slippy and rubbish. It's not the tyres it's the cold temps, the lack of rain and the build up of morning dew and slime on the roads. sjtscott said:
If you're riding all year get the right tyre basically. However I'd be worried if a current full on road biased sport tyre was really that bad in the wet. If its a track biased but happens to be road legal then I'd suggest its not the tyre to be using in poor weather.
99% of people here won't be able to out ride a modern sport touring tyre on the track let alone public road with speed limits/traffic and rubbish road surfaces before you then add bad weather into the mix.
I certainly can't. Currently using PR4s no issues or arguments on their abilities for what I need.
If you say you need more grip in the summer on the public road then you're riding way to hard to be safe or avoid some jail time if caught or more likely the BS is strong in you.
For the small percentage of riders with real skill on the track no arguments there.
I remember some a couple of old duffers with big beer bellies on their huge chicken stip-ed up Supercorsas on their twin matching Ducati 1098/1198s at Box Hill telling me absolutely straight faced and seriously one sunny sunday they were really awesome in the wet. LOL
Spot on!99% of people here won't be able to out ride a modern sport touring tyre on the track let alone public road with speed limits/traffic and rubbish road surfaces before you then add bad weather into the mix.
I certainly can't. Currently using PR4s no issues or arguments on their abilities for what I need.
If you say you need more grip in the summer on the public road then you're riding way to hard to be safe or avoid some jail time if caught or more likely the BS is strong in you.
For the small percentage of riders with real skill on the track no arguments there.
I remember some a couple of old duffers with big beer bellies on their huge chicken stip-ed up Supercorsas on their twin matching Ducati 1098/1198s at Box Hill telling me absolutely straight faced and seriously one sunny sunday they were really awesome in the wet. LOL
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