R1 stolen in broad daylight

[Fleegle]

julian64 said:

Pick up a brick and lob it at them.

Because London streets are littered with bricks

[black-k1]

julian64 said:

Mosdef said:

julian64 said:

If in my village I got into an argument with someone there would be people coming outside to take part or to see what was going on.

Not really a comparable example...

No. there are less people in my village than there are on a busy high street in London, and I have faith I'd get more help in my village.

Pick up a brick and lob it at them. Push a guy on a bike. I'm not suggesting going chuck Norris on a guy with an angle grinder. How long would they stay angle grinding a disc with a successions of bricks lobbed in their direction?

If someone with an angle grinder moved even one foot toward you before you ran off they would have upped their ante from bike theft, to attempted murder.
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But its all academic. If you guys don't think there is a problem in London with respect to this then fine. Post a thread whinging about how the police are letting you down.

I've posted this link before but I think it's worth positing again

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/pa/article-378858...

You really have to think twice before getting involved with the thieving scum as they are nicking a bike.

[Mosdef]

julian64 said:

Mosdef said:

julian64 said:

If in my village I got into an argument with someone there would be people coming outside to take part or to see what was going on.

Not really a comparable example...

No. there are less people in my village than there are on a busy high street in London, and I have faith I'd get more help in my village.

Pick up a brick and lob it at them. Push a guy on a bike. I'm not suggesting going chuck Norris on a guy with an angle grinder. How long would they stay angle grinding a disc with a successions of bricks lobbed in their direction?

If someone with an angle grinder moved even one foot toward you before you ran off they would have upped their ante from bike theft, to attempted murder.
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But its all academic. If you guys don't think there is a problem in London with respect to this then fine. Post a thread whinging about how the police are letting you down.

You and I know you would have more help, but that's what happens in a place where lives overlap and where there is more of a sense of community. I don't know when that existed in central London (if ever) but in the 15 years I've lived here, I've never sensed anything like that in the CBD, even though it exists in residential areas of the city. As such, I'm not surprised no one got involved in this instance.

If you read my post before the one you quoted, you'll see that I agree with you about lobbing whatever you can find at the perpetrators but finding bricks in Berkeley Square is easier said than done. There's not generally an abundance of unsecured, heavy, objects lying on the streets of Mayfair (sadly in instances such as these!) but I would hope more can be done that just filming them on phones.

I still don't think that a few unarmed have-a-go-heroes will change things and it's still up to an under-resourced police force to tackle this, both at the coal face and when the bikes or parts are sold on.

[julian64]

Fleegle said:

Because London streets are littered with bricks

Okay you're pretty negative. At what point would you take part.

[Mosdef]

black-k1 said:

I've posted this link before but I think it's worth positing again

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/pa/article-378858...

You really have to think twice before getting involved with the thieving scum as they are nicking a bike.

Exactly this, the vast majority of people simply wouldn't bother. Bikes can be replaced, even if there is an unpleasant cost implication.

We need more people like Julian on the streets of London!!

[Biker's Nemesis]

julian64 said:

Fleegle said:

Because London streets are littered with bricks

Okay you're pretty negative. At what point would you take part.

If they stole his beer.

[Fleegle]

julian64 said:

Fleegle said:

Because London streets are littered with bricks

Okay you're pretty negative. At what point would you take part.

Straight away but would back off if I felt endangered. It is clear to me that you think this is a problem that only exists in London. Smell the coffee Julian, it is happening in every city. London seems to get highlighted possibly due to the number of reports of this happening. Have you stopped to consider there are more bikes in London, more scrotes in London and more non-spirited people in London, hence why your village (Royston Vasey?) hasn't been mentioned

[julian64]

Mosdef said:

black-k1 said:

I've posted this link before but I think it's worth positing again

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/pa/article-378858...

You really have to think twice before getting involved with the thieving scum as they are nicking a bike.

Exactly this, the vast majority of people simply wouldn't bother. Bikes can be replaced, even if there is an unpleasant cost implication.

We need more people like Julian on the streets of London!!

I'm sorry but its just too easy to post this rubbish and ridicule. I have never said tackle a guy with a knife, and I am by no means a hard man.

If you throw a brick or push a guy on a bike and he draws a knife I would run. Run, run run run run run run run run.

I would venture, but only venture to suggest a guy stealing a bike who then makes it his lifes work to follow you and stab you is not your average scrote. I would also say that if a guy draws his knife and you don't run then you are taking on a much much greater risk than suggest here.

but you have simply posted this extreme to frighten everyone into simply watching when a little bit more relatively safe effort could help the community an enormous amount.

[julian64]

Fleegle said:

Straight away but would back off if I felt endangered.

Then we're bloody identical and what the pish do you keep carping for you jess .

[Fleegle]

julian64 said:

Fleegle said:

Straight away but would back off if I felt endangered.

Then we're bloody identical and what the pish do you keep carping for you jess .

Because you're being a bit thick in thinking it only happens in London. There is a facebook site called UK Motorcycle Theft Protest. Have a look on it.....Birmingham and Bristol feature almost as regularly as London.

It's happening everywhere so your comments about London are a bit blinkered.

[308mate]

I was in involved in an altercation in central London in broad daylight. It was filmed and reported in the news but not a single other person got involved.

That's the sort of place it is. People have enough st of their own to worry about and I can't say I blame them.

[Mosdef]

julian64 said:

I'm sorry but its just too easy to post this rubbish and ridicule. I have never said tackle a guy with a knife, and I am by no means a hard man.

If you throw a brick or push a guy on a bike and he draws a knife I would run. Run, run run run run run run run run.

I would venture, but only venture to suggest a guy stealing a bike who then makes it his lifes work to follow you and stab you is not your average scrote. I would also say that if a guy draws his knife and you don't run then you are taking on a much much greater risk than suggest here.

but you have simply posted this extreme to frighten everyone into simply watching when a little bit more relatively safe effort could help the community an enormous amount.

But how do you know whether they have a knife or some other weapon? I don't think it would be easy to tell until you're trying to sabotage the thief and perhaps push them into being making a desperate move. You might get lucky and scare them off but what are the chances, realistically? Getting close enough to push them? Really?

Without being in the situation, it's pretty much impossible to say what you would do. We would all like to think we'd get involved and help out but I think the truth is quite different.

If it was two kids on mopeds in tracksuits, it would be a different matter but four guys with tools?

[black-k1]

julian64 said:

Mosdef said:

black-k1 said:

I've posted this link before but I think it's worth positing again

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/pa/article-378858...

You really have to think twice before getting involved with the thieving scum as they are nicking a bike.

Exactly this, the vast majority of people simply wouldn't bother. Bikes can be replaced, even if there is an unpleasant cost implication.

We need more people like Julian on the streets of London!!

I'm sorry but its just too easy to post this rubbish and ridicule. I have never said tackle a guy with a knife, and I am by no means a hard man.

If you throw a brick or push a guy on a bike and he draws a knife I would run. Run, run run run run run run run run.

I would venture, but only venture to suggest a guy stealing a bike who then makes it his lifes work to follow you and stab you is not your average scrote. I would also say that if a guy draws his knife and you don't run then you are taking on a much much greater risk than suggest here.

but you have simply posted this extreme to frighten everyone into simply watching when a little bit more relatively safe effort could help the community an enormous amount.

I posted this "extreme", not as rubbish, but because it actually happened. I would bet that Ricky Hayden, his father (and the family dog) never expected that they would be stabbed.

It is unlikely that, in any situation, a passerby could walk up to the thieves to stop them and not get some form of physical threat as a response. Knowing if the threat is real or “all gob” is not something I would want to try and find out as the "extreme" of getting it wrong, when the thief is armed with a minimum of an angle grinder, is pretty serious.

Filming the events, from a safe distance, in order to provide evidence for a subsequent prosecution seems like an eminently sensible approach to me.

[SystemParanoia]

Fleegle said:

Because London streets are littered with bricks

Ahem..

yes!

[Fleegle]

SystemParanoia said:

Fleegle said:

Because London streets are littered with bricks

Ahem..

yes!

That can't be London for 2 reasons. There is no litter on the floor and no-one on the street brandishing a cordless disc cutter

[blade7]

25 years ago some s made a couple of attempts to steal my Cosworth from the lockup where I kept it. Back then there's a fair chance that if I'd have caught them at it a baseball game could have occurred. These days after watching programmes like one punch killers I don't fancy the prospect of prison food over an insured car/bike.

[SystemParanoia]

Fleegle said:

SystemParanoia said:

Fleegle said:

Because London streets are littered with bricks

Ahem..

yes!

That can't be London for 2 reasons. There is no litter on the floor and no-one on the street brandishing a cordless disc cutter

there might be a reason for that...

[Rawwr]

I'd let them take the bike. Sorry.

[Biker's Nemesis]

So. (Sic) the only course of sensible action is too stand well back, film it in your mobile ( if it's safe) and then pass it onto the police who I may add don't seem to be able to stop this or post it on FB or a forum like this where "people" will pass comment with naughty words like "scum" or say they would jolly well knock their blocks off or argue that it isn't worth getting involved because everyone has insurance.

What's the answer then to stop law abiding people becoming victims?

I would really like to hear something original.

[Fleegle]

Biker's Nemesis said:

What's the answer then to stop law abiding people becoming victims?

I think we are too far down the line of liberalism to do anything about it. You can thank the likes of those who have turned prisons in to holiday camps and judges into lily livered do-gooders. There is no discipline amongst the younger generation and no fear of the law or respect for other people and their property. These youngsters lead a feral existence, quite often through lack of leadership from their benefit scrounging peers. Nothing is going to change anytime in the near future unless the parents are brought to account