R1 stolen in broad daylight
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I think the best thing is someone takes there bike into London by a nice coffee shop where we can all stay for a duration, lock the bike up and sit back and wait for it to try and get knicked, I'm sure a few polite words and maybe a good kick in might help if there was a good group of us
Gavia said:
dxg said:
Nope! Can you tell?
What about a device that locks a hub, then? Not too dissimilar to a steering lock? I'm trying to suggest that there must be a physical solution out there... is there?
What, like a disc lock? What about a device that locks a hub, then? Not too dissimilar to a steering lock? I'm trying to suggest that there must be a physical solution out there... is there?
That's the thing they're grinding off
tight5 said:
Maybe there's another way to look at this.
You wade in, there are two of them sat on bikes (their getaway vehicles). Will they want to get of them ?
One guy is sat on the ground for a while.
Take out the one that is stood up, will the rest want to get involved in a scrap ? Or will they want to do a runner ?
How do you know that you can take the one that's stood up out? What if he pulls a knife?You wade in, there are two of them sat on bikes (their getaway vehicles). Will they want to get of them ?
One guy is sat on the ground for a while.
Take out the one that is stood up, will the rest want to get involved in a scrap ? Or will they want to do a runner ?
Even if you do succeed, all you've done is encouraged the others to get off the their bikes / stand up and confront you.
Gavia said:
The video that started this thread and the one that we're all discussing has four scrotes stealing an R1, it's even called "four thieves steal an R1".
One on one is not a fair fight if on eof then has a weapon.
People don't just pile in. I certainly wouldn't. It's a piece of insured metal. There's no way I'm risking serious injury over it. I wouldn't do it for my own property. The only time I would do it is when / if someone started on me, that's self defence. I think you're a dreamer if you believe you could stop this happening, even more so that you think you can occupy an armed thug without getting injured, potentially seriously.
OK then, maybe I should read the thread properly One on one is not a fair fight if on eof then has a weapon.
People don't just pile in. I certainly wouldn't. It's a piece of insured metal. There's no way I'm risking serious injury over it. I wouldn't do it for my own property. The only time I would do it is when / if someone started on me, that's self defence. I think you're a dreamer if you believe you could stop this happening, even more so that you think you can occupy an armed thug without getting injured, potentially seriously.
I will concede that one onto 4 is a bit optimistic, but that wasn't my thrust. If the threat of an opponent having a weapon put people off joining the Police or armed forces, pretty soon the country would be seriously in the sh!t.
I guess it wasn't a fair fight when I found out the guy I took on had a knife. If I'd known or suspected, I might have gone in better equipped myself (rightly or wrongly, officer).
Watch those Police Camera Action shows on telly and see how often one Plod is outnumbered by a load of gobs
tes, how many times does it end in Police casualties? Not often, because most people are basically reasonable. In the case of our bike thieves, I'm pretty sure that their first thought is about getting away in one piece, not taking on one or more Joe Publics who may or may not be Chuck Norris.There was another vid doing the rounds a few weeks back and when the bystanders finally did have a crack (in spite of the angle grinder), the two scummmers legged it, leaving the Ducati(?) in a heap.
Maybe that's why this time there were four of them...
Wedg1e said:
OK then, maybe I should read the thread properly
I will concede that one onto 4 is a bit optimistic, but that wasn't my thrust. If the threat of an opponent having a weapon put people off joining the Police or armed forces, pretty soon the country would be seriously in the sh!t.
I guess it wasn't a fair fight when I found out the guy I took on had a knife. If I'd known or suspected, I might have gone in better equipped myself (rightly or wrongly, officer).
Watch those Police Camera Action shows on telly and see how often one Plod is outnumbered by a load of gobstes, how many times does it end in Police casualties? Not often, because most people are basically reasonable. In the case of our bike thieves, I'm pretty sure that their first thought is about getting away in one piece, not taking on one or more Joe Publics who may or may not be Chuck Norris.
There was another vid doing the rounds a few weeks back and when the bystanders finally did have a crack (in spite of the angle grinder), the two scummmers legged it, leaving the Ducati(?) in a heap.
Maybe that's why this time there were four of them...
Plod rarely goes wading in single handed though. He either waits for back up, or does a lot of shouting. In the rare occasions where he has to go in with force he has a stab proof vest, a truncheon and pepper spray, sometimes even a taser. Plus there's a film crew there filming everything, which might make the scrotes think twice. I will concede that one onto 4 is a bit optimistic, but that wasn't my thrust. If the threat of an opponent having a weapon put people off joining the Police or armed forces, pretty soon the country would be seriously in the sh!t.
I guess it wasn't a fair fight when I found out the guy I took on had a knife. If I'd known or suspected, I might have gone in better equipped myself (rightly or wrongly, officer).
Watch those Police Camera Action shows on telly and see how often one Plod is outnumbered by a load of gobs
tes, how many times does it end in Police casualties? Not often, because most people are basically reasonable. In the case of our bike thieves, I'm pretty sure that their first thought is about getting away in one piece, not taking on one or more Joe Publics who may or may not be Chuck Norris.There was another vid doing the rounds a few weeks back and when the bystanders finally did have a crack (in spite of the angle grinder), the two scummmers legged it, leaving the Ducati(?) in a heap.
Maybe that's why this time there were four of them...
I remember,ever the video where they legged it, but I also remember the acid being thrown in the face of someone trying to stop a theft. You won't win if they fight back and you're on your own, whether there's four of them or two.
Gavia said:
Plod rarely goes wading in single handed though. He either waits for back up, or does a lot of shouting. In the rare occasions where he has to go in with force he has a stab proof vest, a truncheon and pepper spray, sometimes even a taser. Plus there's a film crew there filming everything, which might make the scrotes think twice.
I remember,ever the video where they legged it, but I also remember the acid being thrown in the face of someone trying to stop a theft. You won't win if they fight back and you're on your own, whether there's four of them or two.
Furry muff. I guess the safest option is for all Londoners to just roll over and play dead. Of course the best option for London riders is simply to not take their bikes into town; I imagine there's some form of efficient local mass transit they could use instead.... but we don't want them to do that because then the thieving scum would just take their talents to the rest of the land I remember,ever the video where they legged it, but I also remember the acid being thrown in the face of someone trying to stop a theft. You won't win if they fight back and you're on your own, whether there's four of them or two.
Can't believe so many people just stood there and watched, disgraceful really. People are panzies nowadays. If they start waving knives around and what not then it's a different story but surely they could have still chucked something at them, pushed them off the bikes or ran them over...a little.
The sad thing is, parts of this bike is probably already on Ebay with people buying replacmeent stolen parts. Not sure what can done other than putting ID stamps all over the bike but definitly something should be done address this issue.
The sad thing is, parts of this bike is probably already on Ebay with people buying replacmeent stolen parts. Not sure what can done other than putting ID stamps all over the bike but definitly something should be done address this issue.
Gavia said:
Plod rarely goes wading in single handed though. He either waits for back up, or does a lot of shouting. In the rare occasions where he has to go in with force he has a stab proof vest, a truncheon and pepper spray, sometimes even a taser. Plus there's a film crew there filming everything, which might make the scrotes think twice.
Or perhaps the police officers first priority is to ensure the owners of the property don't use force to defend themselves or their property without there being any judicial investigation/review of it.Don't want to look like an internet hardman but the number of posts on here suggesting stand well back cos nothings worth it just makes me feel all you Londoners deserve the place you live in.
I had an episode a few years ago. Walking in a shopping mall two scrotes running with a security guard following.
All you have to do as a bystander is get in their way, as one ran past me I tripped him up. Security guard jumps on him. The other scrote stopped momentarily and then ran off. About 30 seconds later two police turned up. It wasn't heroism, I wasn't In any danger. If anyone had pulled a knife I'd have done what any right thinking person would have done and ran.
Those people in the video with their phones out watching should be ashamed. Any one of them could have run to one of the guys on a bike and pushed him over. Its really easy to push someone over when they are on a bike. They could have legged it after. The bike would be on the ground, the guy would then need to get it and himself back up. Just simple things.
The alternative is that people just talk about how the police never do anything, and continue to live in the mire that is London. And to be honest you deserve to live there.
I had an episode a few years ago. Walking in a shopping mall two scrotes running with a security guard following.
All you have to do as a bystander is get in their way, as one ran past me I tripped him up. Security guard jumps on him. The other scrote stopped momentarily and then ran off. About 30 seconds later two police turned up. It wasn't heroism, I wasn't In any danger. If anyone had pulled a knife I'd have done what any right thinking person would have done and ran.
Those people in the video with their phones out watching should be ashamed. Any one of them could have run to one of the guys on a bike and pushed him over. Its really easy to push someone over when they are on a bike. They could have legged it after. The bike would be on the ground, the guy would then need to get it and himself back up. Just simple things.
The alternative is that people just talk about how the police never do anything, and continue to live in the mire that is London. And to be honest you deserve to live there.
Fleegle said:
Londoners deserve the place they live in????
What a prickish thing to say.
It'll be happening on your doorstep any time soon.
If you say 'DON'T GET INVOLVED', 'NOT WORTH IT', 'INSURANCE WILL PAY FOR IT'What a prickish thing to say.
It'll be happening on your doorstep any time soon.
Is it any wonder that the thieves believe the same thing about joe public.
So yes a community expressing that attitude invites the criminals 'BROAD DAYLIGHT' attitude.
Its only logic 101. Its compounded by a lack of trust in London. If in my village I got into an argument with someone there would be people coming outside to take part or to see what was going on.
If I had an argument in the middle of a busy street in London I would have no faith that anyone would do other than pass by. If I was on the ground bleeding with someone kicking me the most I could hope for in London is that someone would film it and post it on utube.
Prickish or not I think it goes right to the very heart of why people can steal a bike in broad daylight dressed like villains with no real care about police or public.
julian64 said:
Don't want to look like an internet hardman but the number of posts on here suggesting stand well back cos nothings worth it just makes me feel all you Londoners deserve the place you live in.
I had an episode a few years ago. Walking in a shopping mall two scrotes running with a security guard following.
All you have to do as a bystander is get in their way, as one ran past me I tripped him up. Security guard jumps on him. The other scrote stopped momentarily and then ran off. About 30 seconds later two police turned up. It wasn't heroism, I wasn't In any danger. If anyone had pulled a knife I'd have done what any right thinking person would have done and ran.
Those people in the video with their phones out watching should be ashamed. Any one of them could have run to one of the guys on a bike and pushed him over. Its really easy to push someone over when they are on a bike. They could have legged it after. The bike would be on the ground, the guy would then need to get it and himself back up. Just simple things.
The alternative is that people just talk about how the police never do anything, and continue to live in the mire that is London. And to be honest you deserve to live there.
Tripping up a scrote in a shopping centre, who presumably didn't have an angle grinder/hammer/chisel/screwdriver/whatever else, is quite different to trying to sabotage a bunch of guys who most likely present some danger. You said you would run off if someone pulled out a knife - I'd wager you'd be the same with any of the potential weapons I've just mentioned. I had an episode a few years ago. Walking in a shopping mall two scrotes running with a security guard following.
All you have to do as a bystander is get in their way, as one ran past me I tripped him up. Security guard jumps on him. The other scrote stopped momentarily and then ran off. About 30 seconds later two police turned up. It wasn't heroism, I wasn't In any danger. If anyone had pulled a knife I'd have done what any right thinking person would have done and ran.
Those people in the video with their phones out watching should be ashamed. Any one of them could have run to one of the guys on a bike and pushed him over. Its really easy to push someone over when they are on a bike. They could have legged it after. The bike would be on the ground, the guy would then need to get it and himself back up. Just simple things.
The alternative is that people just talk about how the police never do anything, and continue to live in the mire that is London. And to be honest you deserve to live there.
Regarding the bystanders, I partially agree. One would think there must be something big or reasonably heavy that can be lobbed at them to slow them down but at the same time, the London news has constant news of fatal stabbings, shootings, violent muggins etc etc so it's not surprising they don't get involved. Most people with a family wouldn't and depending on how trained or savvy they are, I can't say I blame them.
Mosdef said:
julian64 said:
If in my village I got into an argument with someone there would be people coming outside to take part or to see what was going on.
Not really a comparable example...Pick up a brick and lob it at them. Push a guy on a bike. I'm not suggesting going chuck Norris on a guy with an angle grinder. How long would they stay angle grinding a disc with a successions of bricks lobbed in their direction?
If someone with an angle grinder moved even one foot toward you before you ran off they would have upped their ante from bike theft, to attempted murder.
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But its all academic. If you guys don't think there is a problem in London with respect to this then fine. Post a thread whinging about how the police are letting you down.
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