Potentially lethal oil filter
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This isn't a pop at the OP, but I wouldn't be surprised if K&N say the nut is only there to aid removal.
Most filters are meant to be done hand tight. Don't get me wrong but I've 'checked' the tightness of filters before with an oil filter wrench and the nut on a K&N filter.
My money's on this being the official reply.
Most filters are meant to be done hand tight. Don't get me wrong but I've 'checked' the tightness of filters before with an oil filter wrench and the nut on a K&N filter.
My money's on this being the official reply.
naetype said:
The assumption that I used the nut to tighten it is just that - an assumption based on absolutely no evidence whatsoever. So, just to make it clear, NO I didn't tighten it using the nut on top, YES, I lubed the oil seal beforehand with oil (even though it comes pre-lubed).
I'm afraid I didn't video me installing it so you'll just have to take my word for it. Or not. If by posting this I stop someone else from going through this drama then good, that was the intention of the original post, and in that it'll have served its purpose.
Your intention is well received here, just ignore Rubin215, it's obviously his time of the monthI'm afraid I didn't video me installing it so you'll just have to take my word for it. Or not. If by posting this I stop someone else from going through this drama then good, that was the intention of the original post, and in that it'll have served its purpose.
mckeann said:
naetype said:
The assumption that I used the nut to tighten it is just that - an assumption based on absolutely no evidence whatsoever. So, just to make it clear, NO I didn't tighten it using the nut on top, YES, I lubed the oil seal beforehand with oil (even though it comes pre-lubed).
I'm afraid I didn't video me installing it so you'll just have to take my word for it. Or not. If by posting this I stop someone else from going through this drama then good, that was the intention of the original post, and in that it'll have served its purpose.
Your intention is well received here, just ignore Rubin215, it's obviously his time of the monthI'm afraid I didn't video me installing it so you'll just have to take my word for it. Or not. If by posting this I stop someone else from going through this drama then good, that was the intention of the original post, and in that it'll have served its purpose.
Two questions:
1. How did you tighten it?
Bearing in mind the filter won't accept a normal dished filter tool.
2. Why is it leaking?
Bearing in mind the filter body is a one-piece pressing and the nut is simply a second pressing that is spot welded on (and spot welds basically fuse the two surfaces together so there is no chance of a gap being left).
Gunk said:
You should never use any tool to tighten an oil filter, hand tight is sufficient, all the oil filter tools are designed to aid removal only.
Pish.Every manufacturer specifies a tightening level, either a torque value or a number of turns beyond when the seal first touches the face (usually two); you ain't going to do that with your bare hands.
Rubin215 said:
Pish.
Every manufacturer specifies a tightening level, either a torque value or a number of turns beyond when the seal first touches the face (usually two); you ain't going to do that with your bare hands.
Hand tightening is all you need, unless you're some sort of limp-wristed pussy, and any torque values or 'number of turns' stuff is just aimed at people that haven't got a clue.Every manufacturer specifies a tightening level, either a torque value or a number of turns beyond when the seal first touches the face (usually two); you ain't going to do that with your bare hands.
Someone had obviously used the +2 turns nonsense Suzuki specify on my bike (GSXR750) at its first oil change. The filter was so outrageously tight getting it off was a major exercise. With clean mating surfaces and a new filter they don't leak or come undone from hand tightening.
Rubin215 said:
Gunk said:
You should never use any tool to tighten an oil filter, hand tight is sufficient, all the oil filter tools are designed to aid removal only.
Pish.Every manufacturer specifies a tightening level, either a torque value or a number of turns beyond when the seal first touches the face (usually two); you ain't going to do that with your bare hands.
Gunk said:
I've been doing oil and filter changes for over thirty years on bikes and cars and the method is the same, just a quarter of a turn by hand to tighten it, most DIY mechanics over tighten, even when tightened by hand they're a fecker to remove after a year and 5000 miles.
I no doubt tighten it more than you from what you say, but we both agree that even the suggestion that tools or torque settings are required is a nonsense.cmaguire said:
Gunk said:
I've been doing oil and filter changes for over thirty years on bikes and cars and the method is the same, just a quarter of a turn by hand to tighten it, most DIY mechanics over tighten, even when tightened by hand they're a fecker to remove after a year and 5000 miles.
I no doubt tighten it more than you from what you say, but we both agree that even the suggestion that tools or torque settings are required is a nonsense.I guess Messrs Honda, Suzuki, Yamaha, Kawasaki, Triumph, Ducati et al probably don't know as much as Joe Spannerhands then...
Rubin215 said:
Pish.
Every manufacturer specifies a tightening level, either a torque value or a number of turns beyond when the seal first touches the face (usually two); you ain't going to do that with your bare hands.
I've changed dozens of oil filters on cars and bikes of various models and only ever tightened by hand. Never had one leak.Every manufacturer specifies a tightening level, either a torque value or a number of turns beyond when the seal first touches the face (usually two); you ain't going to do that with your bare hands.
The only time I have a problem is with one some monkey has done up with a tool and is so tight to remove I need to use a chain or similar to budge it.
Rubin215 said:
cmaguire said:
Gunk said:
I've been doing oil and filter changes for over thirty years on bikes and cars and the method is the same, just a quarter of a turn by hand to tighten it, most DIY mechanics over tighten, even when tightened by hand they're a fecker to remove after a year and 5000 miles.
I no doubt tighten it more than you from what you say, but we both agree that even the suggestion that tools or torque settings are required is a nonsense.I guess Messrs Honda, Suzuki, Yamaha, Kawasaki, Triumph, Ducati et al probably don't know as much as Joe Spannerhands then...
trickywoo said:
Rubin215 said:
Pish.
Every manufacturer specifies a tightening level, either a torque value or a number of turns beyond when the seal first touches the face (usually two); you ain't going to do that with your bare hands.
I've changed dozens of oil filters on cars and bikes of various models and only ever tightened by hand. Never had one leak.Every manufacturer specifies a tightening level, either a torque value or a number of turns beyond when the seal first touches the face (usually two); you ain't going to do that with your bare hands.
The only time I have a problem is with one some monkey has done up with a tool and is so tight to remove I need to use a chain or similar to budge it.
That's what tools are for.
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