Brake lever guard

[Biker 1]

hebegb said:

Not that it matters a toss for a brake lever gaurd, and not with regard to yourself Alex , but those of you convinced by the " identical " appearance of certain items , bear in mind that that is what copying is ... the Chinese do it very very well indeed and if not a safety / stress bearing item , who cares ?

However , the remarkably similar appearance of many items out there such as brake levers , rearsets and of course the almost identical Brembo branded but copied master cylinders and discs out there in abundance , is really worrying .
Pay your money and make your choices on these particular items but do remember that the " quality " genuine items have metal content and tolerance quality controls in place , these costs only need go into making good copies out of cheese for the others .....
Enjoy

I would take that with a pinch of salt: my Marantz amplifier is made in China, so is my LG TV, as is pretty much every electronic device in my house, & I'm guessing many of the components in my car & motorcycle. Wouldn't surprise me at all if the Rizoma items mentioned here do actually come from the same factory; if they've already set up the tooling etc, then why not make a few more £££ & sell them un-branded through flea-bay??
I've never seen a fake Brembo, but it would be interesting to see some comparison testing.

[Dog Star]

Biker 1 said:

Wouldn't surprise me at all if the Rizoma items mentioned here do actually come from the same factory

Honestly - they really are the same thing. I didn't get chance to go into my garage to take a couple of pics of the parts I have left over (it's an arse - there are 11 locks on the door) last night. Need to prove my point.

[Birky_41]

Dog Star said:

Biker 1 said:

Wouldn't surprise me at all if the Rizoma items mentioned here do actually come from the same factory

Honestly - they really are the same thing. I didn't get chance to go into my garage to take a couple of pics of the parts I have left over (it's an arse - there are 11 locks on the door) last night. Need to prove my point.

I know what you mean. I did exactly the same with a set of mirrors. Identical to a high end brand with every marking. If it is a copy and not a high brand without the name stamped on either ways I'm happy

Mirrors aren't a stress item and they've done me proud so far in the 8 months I've had them

[hebegb]

Dog Star said:

Biker 1 said:

Wouldn't surprise me at all if the Rizoma items mentioned here do actually come from the same factory

Honestly - they really are the same thing. I didn't get chance to go into my garage to take a couple of pics of the parts I have left over (it's an arse - there are 11 locks on the door) last night. Need to prove my point.

If you must , but no, you really don't need to prove your point, you have already stated that you believe them to be identical, with the human eye, but nothing short of industrial radiolgy will prove them to actually be the same content or not...but again, for them , it doesn't matter, however , for other components, it really does, but not to me based on what other people do .
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=...

Edited by hebegb on Tuesday 30th May 13:47

[Bob_Defly]

hebegb said:

Dog Star said:

Biker 1 said:

Wouldn't surprise me at all if the Rizoma items mentioned here do actually come from the same factory

Honestly - they really are the same thing. I didn't get chance to go into my garage to take a couple of pics of the parts I have left over (it's an arse - there are 11 locks on the door) last night. Need to prove my point.

If you must , but no, you really don't need to prove your point, you have already stated that you believe them to be identical, with the human eye, but nothing short of industrial radiolgy will prove them to actually be the same content or not...but again, for them , it doesn't matter, however , for other components, it really does, but not to me based on what other people do .
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=...

Edited by hebegb on Tuesday 30th May 13:47

Have to agree with hebegb here. They won't be from the same factory, or from the same quality materials, but they will be identically designed, i.e. copied. It's incredibly difficult to tell a good copy from original goods these days, as the technology to scan and replicate cast/milled shapes is so cheap now. Plus it pays for itself very quickly. I don't know why people think they can spot a copy when even the manufacturers find it difficult.

I have bought some cheap chinese made items for some parts (it's still aluminium, not 80% ash or anything), but for more critical items I'll probably stick to known brands. Just don't buy the cooking oil...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrv78nG9R04

[Biker's Nemesis]

That guy selling the lever thing on e bay is selling from a hotel room, he's doing alright being a middle man, he isn't half selling some tat an-all.

[graeme4130]

Biker 1 said:

hebegb said:

Not that it matters a toss for a brake lever gaurd, and not with regard to yourself Alex , but those of you convinced by the " identical " appearance of certain items , bear in mind that that is what copying is ... the Chinese do it very very well indeed and if not a safety / stress bearing item , who cares ?

However , the remarkably similar appearance of many items out there such as brake levers , rearsets and of course the almost identical Brembo branded but copied master cylinders and discs out there in abundance , is really worrying .
Pay your money and make your choices on these particular items but do remember that the " quality " genuine items have metal content and tolerance quality controls in place , these costs only need go into making good copies out of cheese for the others .....
Enjoy

I would take that with a pinch of salt: my Marantz amplifier is made in China, so is my LG TV, as is pretty much every electronic device in my house, & I'm guessing many of the components in my car & motorcycle. Wouldn't surprise me at all if the Rizoma items mentioned here do actually come from the same factory; if they've already set up the tooling etc, then why not make a few more £££ & sell them un-branded through flea-bay??
I've never seen a fake Brembo, but it would be interesting to see some comparison testing.

The difference between a branded and non branded chinese copy could be the brands own quality checking or material specification.
Back when I was working for a car maker, we had a period of getting alloy wheels made in China by a large reputable chinese casting company, and they ripped off our design and sold it on the aftermarket (using our tooling once past it's specified tolerances)
For all intents and purposes it looked like exactly the same product, but was slightly out of tolerance and the level of porosity in the alloy made the wheel weaker, and I'd even say dangerous. They also used a much cheaper grade of alloy, which only made the matter worse.
Most of the chinese factories I've seen churning out some of the st that hits the market don't have any quality checking at all, and some of the stuff is properly crap.
Remember what we're riding isn't a toy, and many of the parts, if fail, could have pretty serious consequences
A brake lever guard is still a safety part and if someone leans on you in a corner and the guard snaps, you may as well not have it on there

[moanthebairns]

Its ok, have you seen the room I allow for this at every apex.

[moanthebairns]

levers never, guards I've bought one.

[hebegb]

moanthebairns said:

Its ok, have you seen the room I allow for this at every apex.

Haha, , good answer Alex !

[moanthebairns]

First time out with this, it never fell off. Seems sturdy.

I love it, I had a problem with my right hand moving further and further towards the end of the bar during sessions, almost hanging off, this keeps it in check. Best £10 i've spent in donkeys.

[Mr OCD]

moanthebairns said:

First time out with this, it never fell off. Seems sturdy.

I love it, I had a problem with my right hand moving further and further towards the end of the bar during sessions, almost hanging off, this keeps it in check. Best £10 i've spent in donkeys.

I've got a set in the garage but regretfully ordered chav bling red thinking they would go nicely with the red details on my Brembo RCS and ASV clutch lever... I was wrong - they look st. Should have stuck to black.

[moanthebairns]

I went down the route of the red anodised tat look, also to match my/mckeanns old asv levers.

[Gavia]

I've bought some super cheap ones. They come as a pair, one for each side, although no idea why you'd be worried about your clutch lever being pressed in. Cost was about £6 for the pair, so I can flip one over if I break one.

No reason to worry about the part failing as I've never had someone catch my front lever, or seen it happen, below high level club racing.

[stew-S160]

While it's not a brake guard/lever/etc, I think the message of cheap ebay Chinese crap is put across quite well with videos like this-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMxB4RpCDzA

[Gavia]

stew-S160 said:

While it's not a brake guard/lever/etc, I think the message of cheap ebay Chinese crap is put across quite well with videos like this-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMxB4RpCDzA

I think we all know that cheap Chinese crap for structural stuff is a bad idea. These guards are not structural and serve no real purpose, as you're probably going to crash anyway if you tangle bars with someone.

[Mr OCD]

moanthebairns said:

I went down the route of the red anodised tat look, also to match my/mckeanns old asv levers.

great minds... might put them on anyway for a laugh

I don't get why you get two either ...

[moanthebairns]

Mr OCD said:

moanthebairns said:

I went down the route of the red anodised tat look, also to match my/mckeanns old asv levers.

great minds... might put them on anyway for a laugh

I don't get why you get two either ...

so you can look as cool as fk as a Carpenter Ant going down pit lane....

[Mr OCD]

moanthebairns said:

so you can look as cool as fk as a Carpenter Ant going down pit lane....

I'm too busy making sure I don't fall off to look cool!