Why is my Triumph getting so bloody hot?

Why is my Triumph getting so bloody hot?

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anonymous-user

Original Poster:

55 months

Sunday 16th July 2017
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It's not on carbs.

anonymous-user

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55 months

Sunday 16th July 2017
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New rad is the next step in the plan.
It's just that nigh on £500 is a big leap up from the few-quid-fixes I've tried so far.

anonymous-user

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55 months

Tuesday 18th July 2017
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So instead of spending £500 on fixing a ten year old 100k bike that has never let me down until now, I could spend £400 on a 25 year old almost-100k bike about which I know nothing (and looks like a barn find to boot)?
Nope.....you'll have to explain.confused

anonymous-user

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55 months

Wednesday 19th July 2017
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Nah, not gonna let the fuxker beat me now.
Despite the mileage it's in very good nick, probably better than anything I'd get for £2500, plus I've got it just so, nicely set up and adjusted. I know that can be done to any bike but yeah, I have grown attached to it.boxedin

anonymous-user

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55 months

Wednesday 19th July 2017
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That's the thing. It owes me nowt, so the only expense is running costs. Given the miles I do, I'd say a new rad isn't excessive and to my mind it'd be a shame to let an otherwise good bike go.
Looking at it another way, I'm getting a full service history two owner bike for £500.

anonymous-user

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55 months

Wednesday 19th July 2017
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New rad.
Sorted.

anonymous-user

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55 months

Thursday 20th July 2017
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Thanks.
Might be the placebo effect but it feels much better overall.
In addition to not getting hot any more, it's also noticeably quieter and a bit smoother, presumably because the cooling system is full of coolant once more, as opposed to a load of cavitation-induced bubbles and froth.

anonymous-user

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55 months

Friday 21st July 2017
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Looks like I spoke too soon.
Couple of days local riding and it was ok.
Then today, longish motorway jaunt....back to square one.
Mate.of mine has suggested the rad was blocked, and now it's free-flowing, that's caused gunk elsewhere to break loose and cause hassle.

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

55 months

Friday 21st July 2017
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Is that a thinly veiled "I told you so"?
Our ideas on value clearly differ somewhat.
A quick sniff on Autotrader, the only newer/fresher bike that fits your £2500 criteria is an ex-plod Beemer with double the mileage. Everything else is nearly twice the age of my bike.
That cannot be a step forward in anyone's book and I think mine's worth a bit more digging.
If nothing else, I'm now genuinely intrigued although I'm beginning to doubt the validity of the coolant test my local indy did.

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

55 months

Saturday 22nd July 2017
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There is a temp sender but that's not the issue really. It's the physical symptoms that add up to some kind of head thing going on.
And I don't want a Bandit.

anonymous-user

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55 months

Saturday 22nd July 2017
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No, I don't think they did.
I left it ticking over on the side stand for an hour this morning and it was fine. Seems it's a progressive motorway dash that sets it off so your experience sounds very similar and had already occurred to me.
Gonna get it tested again elsewhere.

anonymous-user

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55 months

Saturday 22nd July 2017
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cmaguire said:
Crossflow Kid said:
There is a temp sender but that's not the issue really. It's the physical symptoms that add up to some kind of head thing going on.
And I don't want a Bandit.
Did you ever change the thermostat?

With your current situation, I might be inclined to run it without the thermostat as a test for a few days.


Edited by cmaguire on Saturday 22 July 13:20
Nope, I took the stat out and tested it.
It's fine.

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

55 months

Sunday 1st October 2017
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An update, four months on.....
Bike still getting too hot.
No fluids mixing anywhere, no leaks or losses.
Rad cap is good, thermostat is good, water pump is pumping, radiator isn't blocked (it's a new one).
In the end I handed it over to Solent Triumph who spent an entire afternoon going over it.
After much discussion they suspect there's a blockage of some description in the block or head somewhere. Flushing hasn't shifted it suggesting it's solidified deposits in the coolant, and the only way to investigate further is to strip the engine.
On a 110k bike the cost is prohibitive and it'll slide in to being a whole new engine rebuild anyway, regardless of the cooling issue.
For now, the thermostat is out to allow greater flow of coolant, and that seems to have reigned in the temperature a bit. The bike now sits at 4/10 on a sustained motorway run, the rises to 6/10 in town, 7/10 if stationary at which point the fan comes on line and brings it down to 6/10 again. The underlying fault is still there though but at the moment, as a means of getting to and from work, it ain't broke, so I'm not fixing it.

Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 1st October 10:22

anonymous-user

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55 months

Sunday 1st October 2017
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Tried all that but yeah....I was thinking of adding some flushing solution to it and leave it a couple of days, not hours, see what gives.
My only concern is it may dissolve the radiator innards or bits of the water pump.

anonymous-user

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55 months

Sunday 1st October 2017
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Yup, I've flushed it myself a couple of times and there's no restriction at all but then there are multiple routes for the fluid to take. That's part of the problem - the back pressure caused by the blockage is acting back through the system instead of forcing the blockage clear.
And no gunk comes out either.
Water pump rotor is solid on its drive shaft.

I'm not from Larbet.

Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 1st October 12:28

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

55 months

Sunday 1st October 2017
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cmaguire said:
And what tells you it is running hot?
Your leg, the temperature gauge or what?
The temperature sensor is unlikely to be affected by a blockage in one of the passageways in the head as it is located in the general flow.
The temperature gauge is showing high, the fan cuts in, the heat pours off the bike when stationary and if I really give it beans the coolant boils.
The coolant flow isn't being totally blocked, but it's flowing at a reduced rate and thus heating up more itself in taking heat away from the block.

Have already tried a citric acid flush....nothing came out.

Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 1st October 14:02

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

55 months

Sunday 1st October 2017
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I haven't, but why would not very dense air succeed where dense water hasnt?

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

55 months

Sunday 1st October 2017
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In every other respect the bike's running fine.
Triumph reloaded the ECU map just be sure.
It's not misfiring, down on power or anything like that.

anonymous-user

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55 months

Monday 2nd October 2017
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Hmmm, Interesting. Those symptoms sound eerily familiar.
I would like to get to the bottom of it for a number of reasons:
Sheer curiousity.
Can't afford a new bike right now and also feel a strange resistance to going down that route...it's just the thought of the mileage-induced depreciation.
The bike ticks every box: steady on the motorway yet nimble round town, all day comfy, forgiving in its handling, cheap to insure and run, reliable...until now (only other failures in 100k miles have been a clutch cable and the gen stator) and finally....it's British.
Can't think of anything else that fits the bill. Even the newer Tiger Sport has got all bloated and heavy which makes it less than ideal in London.

anonymous-user

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55 months

Monday 2nd October 2017
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Less fuel is getting through.
Fuel in a cylinder has a small but critical cooling effect before it ignites.