Rossi breaks leg during enduro crash.
Discussion
Gavia said:
oilbethere said:
You keep mentioning this tribal b
ks? What do you mean by it?
A over the top level of support for one rider that borders on fanaticism. An example being the cheering when other riders crash. ks? What do you mean by it?Just because I said I’d be amazed doesn’t mean I’m anti-Rossi.
And i was right and you are quite simply wrong. He rode in every practice and got into Q1. And what a quali.
And Anti Rossi was never a post I made either, Just that your again wrong. Riders/racers know better than us simple forum posters.
RemaL said:
I'm a Huge Rossi fan. I never cheer when someone crashes as i'm a racing fan and people can get hurt. As per my second post on this thread, and my reply to you that you never quoted. he will ride when he see's fit. your posting that he's daft to ride so quick. just read back.
And i was right and you are quite simply wrong. He rode in every practice and got into Q1. And what a quali.
And Anti Rossi was never a post I made either, Just that your again wrong. Riders/racers know better than us simple forum posters.
I didn’t quote you, as my response was aimed at the two posters previously, whose sole comments were to post a smiley each, one laughing and one giving me the finger. That was my response to them. However, in response to this, I was very supportive of Rossi in my first two posts. I supported him riding at his ranch whilst others were crying into their cornflakes and I wished him well and for a full recovery. And i was right and you are quite simply wrong. He rode in every practice and got into Q1. And what a quali.
And Anti Rossi was never a post I made either, Just that your again wrong. Riders/racers know better than us simple forum posters.
I remain amazed that he raced. That isn’t an insult, that isn’t anything more than amazement that someone can do what he did. I do though still think it was daft to risk everything on a race that didn’t ultimately help him out in the championship. He lost ground to all of those above him and dropped back a place in the overall standings. I’m sure things could’ve worked out differently, but it’s unlikely that four other riders would fail to score / have poor races.
I hope this race hasn’t hindered his full recovery.
Gavia said:
I didn’t quote you, as my response was aimed at the two posters previously, whose sole comments were to post a smiley each, one laughing and one giving me the finger. That was my response to them. However, in response to this, I was very supportive of Rossi in my first two posts. I supported him riding at his ranch whilst others were crying into their cornflakes and I wished him well and for a full recovery.
I remain amazed that he raced. That isn’t an insult, that isn’t anything more than amazement that someone can do what he did. I do though still think it was daft to risk everything on a race that didn’t ultimately help him out in the championship. He lost ground to all of those above him and dropped back a place in the overall standings. I’m sure things could’ve worked out differently, but it’s unlikely that four other riders would fail to score / have poor races.
I hope this race hasn’t hindered his full recovery.
There are many other racers on the grid who know they will be back markers. It certainly does not stop them from racing and putting in their best - unlike your bitter suggestion for Vale. VR46 is not a quitter. He gets the best medical advice, no doubt. I remain amazed that he raced. That isn’t an insult, that isn’t anything more than amazement that someone can do what he did. I do though still think it was daft to risk everything on a race that didn’t ultimately help him out in the championship. He lost ground to all of those above him and dropped back a place in the overall standings. I’m sure things could’ve worked out differently, but it’s unlikely that four other riders would fail to score / have poor races.
I hope this race hasn’t hindered his full recovery.
VR46’s performance was sublime given the conditions and circumstances. Finishing 5th after holding 2nd for the majority of the race was astounding. Take nothing away from him - it was amazing to watch and see the fighting spirit ahead of the other healthy riders.
spareparts said:
Gavia said:
I didn’t quote you, as my response was aimed at the two posters previously, whose sole comments were to post a smiley each, one laughing and one giving me the finger. That was my response to them. However, in response to this, I was very supportive of Rossi in my first two posts. I supported him riding at his ranch whilst others were crying into their cornflakes and I wished him well and for a full recovery.
I remain amazed that he raced. That isn’t an insult, that isn’t anything more than amazement that someone can do what he did. I do though still think it was daft to risk everything on a race that didn’t ultimately help him out in the championship. He lost ground to all of those above him and dropped back a place in the overall standings. I’m sure things could’ve worked out differently, but it’s unlikely that four other riders would fail to score / have poor races.
I hope this race hasn’t hindered his full recovery.
There are many other racers on the grid who know they will be back markers. It certainly does not stop them from racing and putting in their best - unlike your bitter suggestion for Vale. VR46 is not a quitter. He gets the best medical advice, no doubt. I remain amazed that he raced. That isn’t an insult, that isn’t anything more than amazement that someone can do what he did. I do though still think it was daft to risk everything on a race that didn’t ultimately help him out in the championship. He lost ground to all of those above him and dropped back a place in the overall standings. I’m sure things could’ve worked out differently, but it’s unlikely that four other riders would fail to score / have poor races.
I hope this race hasn’t hindered his full recovery.
VR46’s performance was sublime given the conditions and circumstances. Finishing 5th after holding 2nd for the majority of the race was astounding. Take nothing away from him - it was amazing to watch and see the fighting spirit ahead of the other healthy riders.
Here’s an idea. Get over it. Rossi is the GOAT, but his time has passed. He will be up there at the sharp end throughout a season, but will be overshadowed by other riders in most races. That isn’t a criticism it’s a statement of fact.
Gavia said:
I didn’t quote you, as my response was aimed at the two posters previously, whose sole comments were to post a smiley each, one laughing and one giving me the finger. That was my response to them. However, in response to this, I was very supportive of Rossi in my first two posts. I supported him riding at his ranch whilst others were crying into their cornflakes and I wished him well and for a full recovery.
I remain amazed that he raced. That isn’t an insult, that isn’t anything more than amazement that someone can do what he did. I do though still think it was daft to risk everything on a race that didn’t ultimately help him out in the championship. He lost ground to all of those above him and dropped back a place in the overall standings. I’m sure things could’ve worked out differently, but it’s unlikely that four other riders would fail to score / have poor races.
I hope this race hasn’t hindered his full recovery.
Really? Did you see the the 7 finisher crash-fest at Silverstone BSB the other week. All it takes is a bit of crappy weather and someone like Iannone to spear into the first bend taking out the first five riders and all bets are offI remain amazed that he raced. That isn’t an insult, that isn’t anything more than amazement that someone can do what he did. I do though still think it was daft to risk everything on a race that didn’t ultimately help him out in the championship. He lost ground to all of those above him and dropped back a place in the overall standings. I’m sure things could’ve worked out differently, but it’s unlikely that four other riders would fail to score / have poor races.
I hope this race hasn’t hindered his full recovery.
mister_ee said:
Really? Did you see the the 7 finisher crash-fest at Silverstone BSB the other week. All it takes is a bit of crappy weather and someone like Iannone to spear into the first bend taking out the first five riders and all bets are off
I did, that was in torrential rain. Did you see much rain during this race? Or forecast for the race? Yes the first few session were wet, but it was never predicted to be a wet race. Even if it was, why should Rossi be the one to survive it and nobody else? If he raced in the rain then it would be a huge gamble as a minor spill could’ve ended his career and that’s why I don’t think it was the best move it race in the wet or dry.Gavia said:
Bitter? What’s bitter about what I’ve said? I’ve been supportive and complimentary, but my opinion is that he had nothing to gain and everything to lose by racing. Your hyperbolic choice of words is a perfect example of what I mean by tribalism, you can’t take a step back and day be objective when it comes to Rossi. I also notice the complete lack of comments about what were superb rides from Marquez, Pedrosa and Lorenzo in the main race thread.
Here’s an idea. Get over it. Rossi is the GOAT, but his time has passed. He will be up there at the sharp end throughout a season, but will be overshadowed by other riders in most races. That isn’t a criticism it’s a statement of fact.
Love reading your 'statement of fact' - Keep telling pros not to race, don't risk others, that they have everything to lose, that they will be overshadowed... Here’s an idea. Get over it. Rossi is the GOAT, but his time has passed. He will be up there at the sharp end throughout a season, but will be overshadowed by other riders in most races. That isn’t a criticism it’s a statement of fact.
spareparts said:
Gavia said:
Bitter? What’s bitter about what I’ve said? I’ve been supportive and complimentary, but my opinion is that he had nothing to gain and everything to lose by racing. Your hyperbolic choice of words is a perfect example of what I mean by tribalism, you can’t take a step back and day be objective when it comes to Rossi. I also notice the complete lack of comments about what were superb rides from Marquez, Pedrosa and Lorenzo in the main race thread.
Here’s an idea. Get over it. Rossi is the GOAT, but his time has passed. He will be up there at the sharp end throughout a season, but will be overshadowed by other riders in most races. That isn’t a criticism it’s a statement of fact.
Love reading your 'statement of fact' - Keep telling pros not to race, don't risk others, that they have everything to lose, that they will be overshadowed... Here’s an idea. Get over it. Rossi is the GOAT, but his time has passed. He will be up there at the sharp end throughout a season, but will be overshadowed by other riders in most races. That isn’t a criticism it’s a statement of fact.
I didn’t tell him not to race, you’ve made that up. I said I think it’s daft, but that wasn’t part of my statement of fact.
Gavia said:
You need to learn the art of comprehension. My statement of fact was that Rossinis the GOAT, but his time has passed. He will be up at the sharp end but be overshadowed by other racers. Show me where that’s a flawed statement.
I didn’t tell him not to race, you’ve made that up. I said I think it’s daft, but that wasn’t part of my statement of fact.
All I saw was someone who finished fifth, less than 0.5s behind his team mate and pretty much rode the perfect race. If his time is over it doesn't say a lot for the rest of the paddock I didn’t tell him not to race, you’ve made that up. I said I think it’s daft, but that wasn’t part of my statement of fact.
Why would he not race, that's what he does, it was very obviously the right call wouldn't you say, despite being 'overshadowed' by a grand total of 4 riders
yonex said:
All I saw was someone who finished fifth, less than 0.5s behind his team mate and pretty much rode the perfect race. If his time is over it doesn't say a lot for the rest of the paddock
Why would he not race, that's what he does, it was very obviously the right call wouldn't you say, despite being 'overshadowed' by a grand total of 4 riders
I’ve not commented on the rest of the paddock. The race series has three factory teams who can win races, plus the odd very, very rare customer / factory supported team that picks a win here and there. Before Crutchlow and Miller it was over a decade since a non-factory team had won a race. Why would he not race, that's what he does, it was very obviously the right call wouldn't you say, despite being 'overshadowed' by a grand total of 4 riders
He finished fifth in this race, he’s fifth in the championship, he hasn’t won the title since 2009, which is 8 years ago. He is the GOAT, but his time has passed. That’s not a criticism and I’m not having a dog at him, I’m saying that whilst he’s still there or thereabouts, others are overshadowing him now.
Gavia said:
I’ve not commented on the rest of the paddock. The race series has three factory teams who can win races, plus the odd very, very rare customer / factory supported team that picks a win here and there. Before Crutchlow and Miller it was over a decade since a non-factory team had won a race.
He finished fifth in this race, he’s fifth in the championship, he hasn’t won the title since 2009, which is 8 years ago. He is the GOAT, but his time has passed. That’s not a criticism and I’m not having a dog at him, I’m saying that whilst he’s still there or thereabouts, others are overshadowing him now.
You also said He finished fifth in this race, he’s fifth in the championship, he hasn’t won the title since 2009, which is 8 years ago. He is the GOAT, but his time has passed. That’s not a criticism and I’m not having a dog at him, I’m saying that whilst he’s still there or thereabouts, others are overshadowing him now.
Gavia said:
I'll be amazed if he rides, four sets of practice, one set of quali (he won't make it out of Q1)
So it's a little difficult to take you seriously Gavia said:
He finished fifth in this race, he’s fifth in the championship, he hasn’t won the title since 2009, which is 8 years ago. He is the GOAT, but his time has passed. That’s not a criticism and I’m not having a dog at him, I’m saying that whilst he’s still there or thereabouts, others are overshadowing him now.
Although he hasn't won in 8 years, he has been a major factor and contender for the championship the last 3 years. Let the historical results be statements of fact:2016: Rossi was 2nd.
2015: Rossi was 2nd, losing the championship by only 5pts.
2014: Rossi was 2nd.
Anyone who comes 2nd in the most recent 3 consecutive years is hardly being overshadowed or can it be claimed 'his time has passed'. So your comments are either a) hyperbole, b) unreasonable criticism, and/or b) having a dig at him. Take your pick.
spareparts said:
Gavia said:
He finished fifth in this race, he’s fifth in the championship, he hasn’t won the title since 2009, which is 8 years ago. He is the GOAT, but his time has passed. That’s not a criticism and I’m not having a dog at him, I’m saying that whilst he’s still there or thereabouts, others are overshadowing him now.
Although he hasn't won in 8 years, he has been a major factor and contender for the championship the last 3 years. Let the historical results be statements of fact:2016: Rossi was 2nd.
2015: Rossi was 2nd, losing the championship by only 5pts.
2014: Rossi was 2nd.
Anyone who comes 2nd in the most recent 3 consecutive years is hardly being overshadowed or can it be claimed 'his time has passed'. So your comments are either a) hyperbole, b) unreasonable criticism, and/or b) having a dig at him. Take your pick.
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