Do you use an airbag? D-Air, Tech Air?
Discussion
Prof Prolapse said:
bogie said:
£10 a month forever...think I will skip it...needs to be built into the price for me. I guess its one way to make it appear cheap whilst covering their ongoing maintenance costs for the system
So if your subscription lapses do they turn your airbag off?If so, kerrching. Have yourself a minor off, and then threaten to take them to court. You'd make thousands in a settlement.
Essentially its a lease model, you dont own the electronics of the airbag. After 3 years of leasing you have an option to buy outright for £99 and keep that generation or continue monthly with their latest generation. 3 years at £120 + £99 your airbag is £459 on top of the price of the jacket/airbag in the first place. Just seems like a creative financing model to fund their development and maintenance.
bogie said:
Yep.....no doubt they have disclaimers in the small print of the contract they sell you.
Essentially its a lease model, you dont own the electronics of the airbag. After 3 years of leasing you have an option to buy outright for £99 and keep that generation or continue monthly with their latest generation. 3 years at £120 + £99 your airbag is £459 on top of the price of the jacket/airbag in the first place. Just seems like a creative financing model to fund their development and maintenance.
Yeah for sure, I know it's not really that simple.Essentially its a lease model, you dont own the electronics of the airbag. After 3 years of leasing you have an option to buy outright for £99 and keep that generation or continue monthly with their latest generation. 3 years at £120 + £99 your airbag is £459 on top of the price of the jacket/airbag in the first place. Just seems like a creative financing model to fund their development and maintenance.
All seems mental to me.
I went for an Icon airbag vest with the Inmotion subscription. I like the repair/return options on the jacket compared to those of the alpinestars jacket and others manufacturers. I also preferred where the jacket inflated compared to others. I freeze my subscription for up to 4 months of the year when I know I'm not using the bike for major rides. If I do venture out I use an old back protector as the main reason for the airbag vest was really for major tours abroad. I think each airbag vest has pros and cons which you will need to research for your own purposes.
I have been doing a bit of research on the in&motion airbag as was looking to purchase the recently released RST Pro series air bag suit.
Does anyone have any experience of this suit as something suitable for track days and the occasional road ride? Reading between the lines the cut is orientated towards the curvier gentleman (6'2" circa 100Kg)
The subscription situation admittedly, is something I am not keen on, so if there is an option to pay an upfront fee that is preferable.
Does anyone have any experience of this suit as something suitable for track days and the occasional road ride? Reading between the lines the cut is orientated towards the curvier gentleman (6'2" circa 100Kg)
The subscription situation admittedly, is something I am not keen on, so if there is an option to pay an upfront fee that is preferable.
Sorry can't help with the track day information as I have not used mine on track yet.
I'm 5'10" circa 76kg and it fits like a glove. Allot comfier compared to my previous back protectors and I have had a few. So I'm not sure where you read it is for the curvier gentleman, but I do suggest trying the airbag vests on before purchase. I tried on about 4 different brands and in the end I went with the Icon brand.
I'm 5'10" circa 76kg and it fits like a glove. Allot comfier compared to my previous back protectors and I have had a few. So I'm not sure where you read it is for the curvier gentleman, but I do suggest trying the airbag vests on before purchase. I tried on about 4 different brands and in the end I went with the Icon brand.
S2H said:
The subscription situation admittedly, is something I am not keen on, so if there is an option to pay an upfront fee that is preferable.
Yes, it appears you have a choice: buy the In&Motion airbag outright for £399, lease it annually for £120, or lease it monthly for £12 on a rolling contract.https://mag.sportsbikeshop.co.uk/news/introducing-...
S2H said:
I have been doing a bit of research on the in&motion airbag as was looking to purchase the recently released RST Pro series air bag suit.
Does anyone have any experience of this suit as something suitable for track days and the occasional road ride? Reading between the lines the cut is orientated towards the curvier gentleman (6'2" circa 100Kg)
The subscription situation admittedly, is something I am not keen on, so if there is an option to pay an upfront fee that is preferable.
I’ve just had to buy a one piece suit this week and tried the RST kangaroo airbag suit.Does anyone have any experience of this suit as something suitable for track days and the occasional road ride? Reading between the lines the cut is orientated towards the curvier gentleman (6'2" circa 100Kg)
The subscription situation admittedly, is something I am not keen on, so if there is an option to pay an upfront fee that is preferable.
I’m 6’2” and about 90 kg. I quite like the RST design but couldn’t get on with the fit.
Size 46 was too short in the arms and too tight across the shoulders, size 48 was like a potato sack.
Ended up with the Revit Hyperspeed in size 46. Fits as if it was a made to measure as it’s shaped for the taller rider.
Nick928 said:
I’ve just had to buy a one piece suit this week and tried the RST kangaroo airbag suit.
I’m 6’2” and about 90 kg. I quite like the RST design but couldn’t get on with the fit.
Size 46 was too short in the arms and too tight across the shoulders, size 48 was like a potato sack.
Ended up with the Revit Hyperspeed in size 46. Fits as if it was a made to measure as it’s shaped for the taller rider.
Similar problem to me (6'5/90odd kg). A 46 Revit was the only off the shelf suit that was a decent fit, still thinking of going custom this year though, with stretch panels for airbag.I’m 6’2” and about 90 kg. I quite like the RST design but couldn’t get on with the fit.
Size 46 was too short in the arms and too tight across the shoulders, size 48 was like a potato sack.
Ended up with the Revit Hyperspeed in size 46. Fits as if it was a made to measure as it’s shaped for the taller rider.
KurtFlew said:
thinking of going custom this year though, with stretch panels for airbag.
If you’re considering going custom, I highly recommend a fact-finding chat with Hideout because they are the only motorcycle tailors with experience of all the different airbag systems. And only Hideout offers bespoke textiles, not just leathers, with an airbag. Kate at Hideout is exceptionally knowledgeable about real-world usage, informed by a lot of feedback from the police and racers who have crashed in her kit. E: hideout@btconnect.com
Alternatively, BKS also offers bespoke clothing with an airbag. BKS offers the Tech-Air (only), focuses on leathers, and looks more expensive than Hideout. But like Hideout, the quality is reputedly outstanding.
Thread revival to keep up with constantly improving technology, and after a recommendation of arbag vests on a Bikesafe course.
Currently torn between a Helite with a lanyard and an Ixon electronic one.
The lanyard seems to be a bit of hassle and slightly less likely to inflate the jacket quickly enough in certain types of accident.
The electronics seem more dependable but darned expensive.
Having the airbag over an existing jacket seems more versatile (don't need so much room in the jacket) but less comfortable.
Anyone got views or experiences to share?
Currently torn between a Helite with a lanyard and an Ixon electronic one.
The lanyard seems to be a bit of hassle and slightly less likely to inflate the jacket quickly enough in certain types of accident.
The electronics seem more dependable but darned expensive.
Having the airbag over an existing jacket seems more versatile (don't need so much room in the jacket) but less comfortable.
Anyone got views or experiences to share?
I have a Helite tethered.
The tether is not a bother at all. I have a carabiner on the end of the tether and a second carabiner on the luggage frame of the bike, so it is easy to connect and disconnect there as well as on the disconnect clip onto the vest. I toppled the bike when I failed to put the side stand out properly when parking. I was not wearing the vest then. If I had been, it would have gone off but would not have helped in any way and I’d need to put a £25 canister in, plus you can only deploy the vest 5 times in its useable life.
I am concerned that it may not deploy fast enough in a frontal collision. An electronic will be faster. But even with an electronic, the inflation time is still 0.1 second. 36km/h is not fast, but it is still 10m/s so you will travel 1 metre before any vest is fully inflated.
I have a battery powered helmet intercom which isn’t a flaff to keep recharged, so I don’t think keeping an electronic vest would be a flaff either.
The tether is not a bother at all. I have a carabiner on the end of the tether and a second carabiner on the luggage frame of the bike, so it is easy to connect and disconnect there as well as on the disconnect clip onto the vest. I toppled the bike when I failed to put the side stand out properly when parking. I was not wearing the vest then. If I had been, it would have gone off but would not have helped in any way and I’d need to put a £25 canister in, plus you can only deploy the vest 5 times in its useable life.
I am concerned that it may not deploy fast enough in a frontal collision. An electronic will be faster. But even with an electronic, the inflation time is still 0.1 second. 36km/h is not fast, but it is still 10m/s so you will travel 1 metre before any vest is fully inflated.
I have a battery powered helmet intercom which isn’t a flaff to keep recharged, so I don’t think keeping an electronic vest would be a flaff either.
Edited by Iminquarantine on Friday 30th July 11:13
bogie said:
RST nice leather jacket with integrated Inmotion airbag seems a bit of a bargain at £335 in the sale. In a few years these could be mainstream
https://www.motocentral.co.uk/rst-gt-airbag-ce-lea...
I bought one of these while they were discounting the outgoing design (the new one is only different in tailoring & style, same in&motion airbag components). Have used it for a few months, it's a decent leather jacket in the conventional way, good quality and protection. The in&motion controller is built into a long back protector, but doesn't feel cumbersome or awkward. I believe the same standard airbag assembly is used across all brands and garments.https://www.motocentral.co.uk/rst-gt-airbag-ce-lea...
I haven't had to test the integrated airbag, so my experience is limited to maintenance. The battery usually lasts about a week, and you have to reach up inside the liner to unclip the control unit for charging (any standard micro USB). The control unit connects to home wifi while charging, and updates latest algorithms & settings. Day-to-day monitoring is via mobile app. The jacket goes to 'sleep' when out of use, but when you grab it to go riding it wakes up and links to your phone. If there's a fault or low battery you get an alert.
I use the monthly sub payment, which adds up over a period of years. On the other hand it's cheap and easy to DIY reload, rather than sending back to factory at high cost. Also one control unit will work across multiple garments, so I'm looking out for a discounted Ixon or Klim vest to wear under winter gear. Chuck the supplied control unit, and just swap my registered one between garments as I wish. On that scale it's not expensive really.
The big question though is how well it's actually going to work in a real-world off. The technology is sound, and I've watched loads of videos with reassuringly instantaneous deployment. In principle it should mitigate a lot of injuries to chest, ribs and spine. But it might be bloody useless when the moment comes.
I've got an airbag vest rather than a jacket, it's a point two.
The wife bought it for me years ago, I wear it to keep the peace.
It has a back protector built in.
I have no idea if it'll save me from injury as I've never fallen off to test it, I think it is unlikely to do me any harm though.
The wife bought it for me years ago, I wear it to keep the peace.
It has a back protector built in.
I have no idea if it'll save me from injury as I've never fallen off to test it, I think it is unlikely to do me any harm though.
GreaseNipple said:
Would a tethered vest like a helite be allowed on track days?
Why wouldn't tethered airbags be welcome on a track day? Helite targets the track day market with its e-GP Air Track Vest, and I expect track day organisers would be keen for riders to use any airbag (tethered or electronic).It might be different for high-level racing, if the race regulations (e.g. MotoGP) prohibit riders being attached to the bike.
GreaseNipple said:
Would a tethered vest like a helite be allowed on track days?
Yup no problem at all, I've worn one for the past 3 years on uk and euro days and saw a guy at the tt wearing one in 2019. ETA: helite do free trials of the vests on certain trackdays too with a discount if you buy after. They're on all the Bennetts organised days and maybe others too.
GreaseNipple said:
Would a tethered vest like a helite be allowed on track days?
I have been using the tethered version of the helmet gp air at a range of tracks for the last couple of years.Haven't had it deploy on track yet (clearly aren't trying hard enough..) but it seems a good system.
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