28 month ban for wheelie and standing up

[oilbethere]

Biker's Nemesis said:

oilbethere said:

Hungrymc said:

av185 said:

It is patently obvious that this view was already well established by many road users way before this moron was convicted.

Wonder why?

Serious question, why did you feel the cost of your car material to your initial post? I'm guessing there is some relevance or consequence that I'm missing.

Grade A bell end?
A bloke like this comes into our local who just loves to tell everyone how rich he is, everyone despises him.
Funnily enough the landlord is a multimillionaire who bought the pub just for the crack and yet the said bell end tries to tell him how well he's doing yet has to go to work everyday.

av185 and his wife meet your mate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dPzFUiY-tg

Ha ha ha outstanding.
That will be getting played in the pub Friday night, thanks for that.

[caduceus]

Fleegle said:

av185 said:

Interesting to also see the hate for dashcam footage shown by biker bros and his virtual chums on this thread. Not hard to see why!

The reason why there is so much hate for the dashcam has little to do with riding within or outside the law. I expect most people on here have at sometime witnessed a driver, motorcyclist and even cyclists driving/riding in unnaturally erratic way to get a rise so that they can post on youtube and forums to make their dull world that bit more exciting. Some even send it to the police in the hope they are considered for the New Years Honours List


Are you Stigmundfreud?

[Pothole]

black-k1 said:

Pothole said:

black-k1 said:

While I understand it was likely that the police in this particular case would have had their pursuit authorised, I think the point that those on stolen bikes, unwilling to stop for the police, are considerably more likely to get away with it than not. (Look at the bike theft statistics vs. the convictions for bike theft for proof!) Which does lead to the realistic possibility that this individual was "harshly punished" because he owned the motorcycle (so could be traced) and stopped for the police.

I'm not sure what the point is, though. Am I supposed to feel sorry for this moron? All he's done is reinforce the view of many other road users that we're all crazy people with a death wish.

Feel sorry for him? No! Feel he was harshly treated and feel that this is again evidence that the legal system is stacked against those who have something to lose and focuses almost exclusively on such people? - Well, that's the point.

He was a moron, No question. He deserved a ban and a fine. No question. Did he actually deserve jail time when greater grimes are going unpunished? Was jail really in the public interest?

As the quote goes: "Not only must Justice be done; it must also be seen to be done."

Do we have all the facts of the case and the court transcripts available to make that decision?

[anonymous-user]

av185 said:

Groups of bikers doing wheelies 2 cms from the rear of my £200k car.

2 cms? I am sure that's a fairly common measurement in your world but it's highly unlikely really?

[huckster6]

Many riders feel sympathetic to the woes of fellow bikers.

I know little about W Rooney. The fine he got was laughable, but the two incidents are not comparable. Driving under the influence is loathed by most of the land. The two matters do not compare and no massive injustice was caused.

The 'psychotic' biker brings shame to us all who adome motorcycles..Wheelies, stoppies & MotoGP look-no-hands is not just a bit o'fun it's more like Criminal Negligence crossed with Depraved Indifference.

With no knowledge of the offender, I think it looks like he got off very lightly compared to pedal cyclist.Charlie Alliston's 18 months. I feel no pity for either dingbat.

If ya can't do the time, don't do the crime.

Good luck to all motorbikers!

[supercommuter]

huckster6 said:

Many riders feel sympathetic to the woes of fellow bikers.

I know little about W Rooney. The fine he got was laughable, but the two incidents are not comparable. Driving under the influence is loathed by most of the land. The two matters do not compare and no massive injustice was caused.

The 'psychotic' biker brings shame to us all who adome motorcycles..Wheelies, stoppies & MotoGP look-no-hands is not just a bit o'fun it's more like Criminal Negligence crossed with Depraved Indifference.

With no knowledge of the offender, I think it looks like he got off very lightly compared to pedal cyclist.Charlie Alliston's 18 months. I feel no pity for either dingbat.

If ya can't do the time, don't do the crime.

Good luck to all motorbikers!

Seriously? The cyclist killed somebody. There is no comparison at all.

I would say the drink driving and messing around while riding are more comparable. Both illegal but nobody was harmed in either instance.

[Hungrymc]

The cyclist also showed a huge lack of compassion.... his social media comments were read out in court and did him no favours.

If our idiot doing his wheelieis and rucksack stupidity killed someone he'd have got a lot more than 18 months and a lot more than our fixed gear cyclist.

[DoubleD]

supercommuter said:

huckster6 said:

Many riders feel sympathetic to the woes of fellow bikers.

I know little about W Rooney. The fine he got was laughable, but the two incidents are not comparable. Driving under the influence is loathed by most of the land. The two matters do not compare and no massive injustice was caused.

The 'psychotic' biker brings shame to us all who adome motorcycles..Wheelies, stoppies & MotoGP look-no-hands is not just a bit o'fun it's more like Criminal Negligence crossed with Depraved Indifference.

With no knowledge of the offender, I think it looks like he got off very lightly compared to pedal cyclist.Charlie Alliston's 18 months. I feel no pity for either dingbat.

If ya can't do the time, don't do the crime.

Good luck to all motorbikers!

Seriously? The cyclist killed somebody. There is no comparison at all.

I would say the drink driving and messing around while riding are more comparable. Both illegal but nobody was harmed in either instance.

But didnt someone earlier say that the biker was already banned? If he was then hes only got himself to blame.

[Gavia]

supercommuter said:

Seriously? The cyclist killed somebody. There is no comparison at all.

I would say the drink driving and messing around while riding are more comparable. Both illegal but nobody was harmed in either instance.

The argument about nobody being harmed is a bit duff. Should we treat the terror suspect from Parsons Green more leninently as his bomb didn’t go off and kill anyone?

[supercommuter]

Gavia said:

supercommuter said:

Seriously? The cyclist killed somebody. There is no comparison at all.

I would say the drink driving and messing around while riding are more comparable. Both illegal but nobody was harmed in either instance.

The argument about nobody being harmed is a bit duff. Should we treat the terror suspect from Parsons Green more leninently as his bomb didn’t go off and kill anyone?

Ok. Gone too far now....

[Hungrymc]

DoubleD said:

But didnt someone earlier say that the biker was already banned? If he was then hes only got himself to blame.

He wasn't banned at the time of his wheelie / bag offense. But he was banned for another offense prior to his court hearing. And yes, I'm sure that's what caused the sentence.

[DoubleD]

Hungrymc said:

DoubleD said:

But didnt someone earlier say that the biker was already banned? If he was then hes only got himself to blame.

He wasn't banned at the time of his wheelie / bag offense. But he was banned for another offense prior to his court hearing. And yes, I'm sure that's what caused the sentence.

Good that he is off the road then

[Hungrymc]

DoubleD said:

Good that he is off the road then

Good that he's off the road - 100% agree, no question.
That he's in jail - I don't know all the details of his previous but it sounds like he has a complete disregard for the law and for anyone else, so its also probably the right call.

[lindrup119]

Rawwr said:

av185 said:

I can see you are both a biker and car enthusiast, and consequently probably understand more than most of the Sons of Anarchy wannabees showing the usual aggression on this thread also unfortunately increasingly witnessed towards motorists on the road of which both mine and the M6 experience just posted are typical examples.

No way the fkwit closely inspecting the rear of my car whilst pulling wheelies at c 50mph was riding other than like a prick in a retarded and aggressive way. Classic case of trying in vain no doubt to be billy big bks and impress his 175cc similarly backward biker bruvs innit. And we all know where that can lead, especially when the innocent harassed motorist has to brake rather suddenly in an emergency particularly in this case with the stopping power of ceramics. Biker take note....intelligence has its limits but stupidity does not.

Interesting to also see the hate for dashcam footage shown by biker bros and his virtual chums on this thread. Not hard to see why! Ride in accordance with the law and whats the problem chaps.....unless, of course, you have something to hide.

Good to see Plod are increasingly willing to rely on such footage in prosecutions for more serious road crimes.

I cut you some slack by agreeing with your initial point in a polite and considered manner. Now you're just being offensive. You can drop the rhetoric and bile and stop assuming everyone meets the bloated stereotype you're imagining. You also need to consider that pretty much everyone in this little sub-forum is a driver as well as a rider.

[black-k1]

Pothole said:

black-k1 said:

Pothole said:

black-k1 said:

While I understand it was likely that the police in this particular case would have had their pursuit authorised, I think the point that those on stolen bikes, unwilling to stop for the police, are considerably more likely to get away with it than not. (Look at the bike theft statistics vs. the convictions for bike theft for proof!) Which does lead to the realistic possibility that this individual was "harshly punished" because he owned the motorcycle (so could be traced) and stopped for the police.

I'm not sure what the point is, though. Am I supposed to feel sorry for this moron? All he's done is reinforce the view of many other road users that we're all crazy people with a death wish.

Feel sorry for him? No! Feel he was harshly treated and feel that this is again evidence that the legal system is stacked against those who have something to lose and focuses almost exclusively on such people? - Well, that's the point.

He was a moron, No question. He deserved a ban and a fine. No question. Did he actually deserve jail time when greater grimes are going unpunished? Was jail really in the public interest?

As the quote goes: "Not only must Justice be done; it must also be seen to be done."

Do we have all the facts of the case and the court transcripts available to make that decision?

No (and I never said or suggested we did) but that cuts both ways. No one can say he was either hashly, lightly or fairly treated without those details. However, a lack of detail has never stopped either individuals or "news organisations" from jumping to ill informed conclusions. Why change things now?

[crusty]

Just heard this on the news and made me think of this thread.

Woman over twice DD limit, turns over car with her 9 year old in the back, has no licence or insurance.

Disqualified from driving for 20 months. She was also sentenced to a six-month community order, and ordered to pay a £120 fine, £85 costs and a £85 victim surcharge.

How on earth can that be less serious than a man doing wheelies on his bike?

Link here https://sussex.police.uk/news/brighton-woman-among...

What an absolute joke the justice system is

[moanthebairns]

Promising mother....

[Mandat]

crusty said:

Just heard this on the news and made me think of this thread.

Woman over twice DD limit, turns over car with her 9 year old in the back, has no licence or insurance.

Disqualified from driving for 20 months. She was also sentenced to a six-month community order, and ordered to pay a £120 fine, £85 costs and a £85 victim surcharge.

How on earth can that be less serious than a man doing wheelies on his bike?

Link here https://sussex.police.uk/news/brighton-woman-among...

What an absolute joke the justice system is

Just out of interest, what do you think an appropriate sentence would have been?

[Prof Prolapse]

Going to have to agree with the above sentiment.

It's not just about the crime, it's about what benefit is the punishment is to society.

[crusty]

Mandat said:

Just out of interest, what do you think an appropriate sentence would have been?

I would like to think there is a scale to this sort of thing.

For example if it was 1 to 10

1 would be 75 mph on a Motorway
10 would be drunk and knocking people over, killing them, driving too fast down the high street.

I would probably put the wheelie chap about a 5 and this woman 7 or 8, so would expect the punishment to be worse the higher up the scale.