28 month ban for wheelie and standing up
Discussion
Prof Prolapse said:
There are sentencing guidelines that must be followed yes... But it's more complicated than just throwing out a punishment based solely on the severity of the crime itself.
I understand things are never black and white, but...Person A does some wheelies and is sentenced to prison
Person B turns car over whilst drunk with child in back, and no licence and is sentenced to 6 months community service.
How can that possibly be right?
crusty said:
I understand things are never black and white, but...
Person A does some wheelies and is sentenced to prison
Person B turns car over whilst drunk with child in back, and no licence and is sentenced to 6 months community service.
How can that possibly be right?
Well, I'm not a legal person but I would think; extent of remorse remorse, risk of re-offending, act of punishment as a deterrent, broader consequences and cost to society of mother not able to look after child, and perception of risk to others during incident, would all be contributory factors of the decision.Person A does some wheelies and is sentenced to prison
Person B turns car over whilst drunk with child in back, and no licence and is sentenced to 6 months community service.
How can that possibly be right?
My mate went to court the other day. He did 87 in an NSL, 1 mph over the "unofficial" limit for a court appearance. He came to court, dressed the part, showed remorse, and categorically neglected to mention that he was overtaking someone at the the time of the incident (i.e. did not mention he had involved an external party in his "reckless" behaviour). As such he got 3 points and a reasonable fine, a good result.
Had he dressed like a scumbag, said he didn't give a s
t, and stated that he was overtaking someone who should of been going faster, would you think it was fair if he got the same favourable outcome?I'm not saying sometimes it doesn't take the piss, but there's more to it than just the crime itself.
crusty said:
Prof Prolapse said:
There are sentencing guidelines that must be followed yes... But it's more complicated than just throwing out a punishment based solely on the severity of the crime itself.
I understand things are never black and white, but...Person A does some wheelies and is sentenced to prison
Person B turns car over whilst drunk with child in back, and no licence and is sentenced to 6 months community service.
How can that possibly be right?
Absolute disgrace.
crusty said:
Prof Prolapse said:
There are sentencing guidelines that must be followed yes... But it's more complicated than just throwing out a punishment based solely on the severity of the crime itself.
I understand things are never black and white, but...Person A does some wheelies and is sentenced to prison
Person B turns car over whilst drunk with child in back, and no licence and is sentenced to 6 months community service.
How can that possibly be right?
I suspect that the difference in sentences was down to differing scales on the individual offence guidelines.
It could well be that the drink driving was more severe that the dangerous driving biker but the scale of possible sentences was different between the two offences.
For those selecting a lenient sentence case, here’s one where a driver killed a passenger
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/652949...
Sentenced today and jailed for six years for a catalogue of offences.
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/652949...
Sentenced today and jailed for six years for a catalogue of offences.
It's quite sobering to hear that the Police are just not going to bother with low level crimes, burglary, car theft. I think the comment was 'it is better to be up front with the public and tell them'. Well, all I can say is that nobody has wheelied past my house and stolen my M3. The Police are a joke to be frank and are only capable of going after low hanging fruit.
Plod seem to be incapable of investigating anything like theft and burglary, unless it is handed to them on a plate, or they luck into it.
I had a car nicked last year, they ran it out of fuel 3 miles from my home and a neighbour saw it dumped, keys still in it and told me! It was off my drive for 26 hours only!
Anyway, plod took a report, then when I got it recovered, I informed them and it was updated to recovered. They had no leads, no ANPR I was told and no one would visit house or car to check for prints / dna etc due to the priority.
So I thought that was it. Until about a month later, I had a call from the "investigator for my stolen car!". This was not a policeman, it was a civilian, who told me that they had no leads as to the wherabouts of my car, it had not triggered any ANPR or been sighted since it was stolen. Which was odd, as I had travelled over 2000 miles in the UK mainland since I got it back, over 500 miles one way on one trip alone. And what was even more interesting was that the day before I had noticed it was out of MOT so got it done, but it had been out of MOT for 4 months! They never seemed to notice that.
So when I pointed out it was found 4 weeks ago, they were surprised and said they would close the case.
It made me realise that in this case they seemed to have no flipping clue at all, nor any inclination to even complete the paperwork properly, ironacially causing them even more work to do, if only the phone call, as it was clear they never checked the car or it's movements out at all! Severn Bridge and the one at Edinburgh had both been traversed, as well as M6, M74 M1 virtually in there entirety. They just stick such cases aside then some civvy with no interest mops it up with a phone call a month later.
I'm not saying they needed to do more, I got the car back myself, but their lack of action is cynical, they don't give two fks, and poor procedures make more work for them and costs us all money / takes resource from where it could be used.
I had a car nicked last year, they ran it out of fuel 3 miles from my home and a neighbour saw it dumped, keys still in it and told me! It was off my drive for 26 hours only!
Anyway, plod took a report, then when I got it recovered, I informed them and it was updated to recovered. They had no leads, no ANPR I was told and no one would visit house or car to check for prints / dna etc due to the priority.
So I thought that was it. Until about a month later, I had a call from the "investigator for my stolen car!". This was not a policeman, it was a civilian, who told me that they had no leads as to the wherabouts of my car, it had not triggered any ANPR or been sighted since it was stolen. Which was odd, as I had travelled over 2000 miles in the UK mainland since I got it back, over 500 miles one way on one trip alone. And what was even more interesting was that the day before I had noticed it was out of MOT so got it done, but it had been out of MOT for 4 months! They never seemed to notice that.
So when I pointed out it was found 4 weeks ago, they were surprised and said they would close the case.
It made me realise that in this case they seemed to have no flipping clue at all, nor any inclination to even complete the paperwork properly, ironacially causing them even more work to do, if only the phone call, as it was clear they never checked the car or it's movements out at all! Severn Bridge and the one at Edinburgh had both been traversed, as well as M6, M74 M1 virtually in there entirety. They just stick such cases aside then some civvy with no interest mops it up with a phone call a month later.
I'm not saying they needed to do more, I got the car back myself, but their lack of action is cynical, they don't give two f
ks, and poor procedures make more work for them and costs us all money / takes resource from where it could be used. Gassing Station | Biker Banter | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff