28 month ban for wheelie and standing up

[Fleegle]

Any of the old stalwarts on BB remember the sad act who used to post dashcam footage showing 'errant' riding about 7 years ago??

He used to film from his Toyota sports, expecting BB to side with him for the poor riding when his own driving and road positioning were far from perfect. He got shot down more time than the Luftwaffe

He was a div as well

[caduceus]

poo at Paul's said:

but if you insist on driving like a blouse, do so as not to hold others and then you wont have to come on here complaining like a big Jessie about the naughty bigger biker boys.

[Gavia]

Hungrymc said:

BobSaunders said:

MrBridger said:

From the Liverpool Echo..

The court heard he was banned from driving for 12 months on July 25 after admitting failing to provide a specimen of breath on July 8.

Hmmm

That would be possibly why he got the prison sentence then - previous.

I had thought there must be a load of previous to make it a custodial but the ban was actually for an offence that happened 6 days after this one. I assume that along with other previous that hasn't been reported, it still was a major factor?

As it was already dealt with though, then that gets added to this piece of st riding and he's properly screwed himself. His riding wasn't a few wheelies either, it was a load of super st riding with the back pack and swerving around.

[AH33]

poo at Paul's said:

"2cm" from your £200k car? Really? That is extremely close? To get an idea how small 2cm is, take a look at your old chap.

Perfect

[CypSIdders]

av185 said:

I agree with giving them room....if at all possible.

However this was a narrow B road with no room to pass, no pull ins and central double whites.

Clearly, there was, if your original text is to be believed!

[ClaphamGT3]

Gavia said:

Talk about torn over a thread.

If he had no previous, then the sentence is unbelievably harsh for a bit of st riding. However, the comment about him being banned from driving / riding means I'm happy if he gets jail time if true as a correct deterrent.

As for Johnny "I've got a £200k car" wker. Hahahahahaha. Get a grip and please fk off to mumsnet if you don't like a bit of speed. Also, could you buy any more Porsches if you tried?

Edited by Gavia on Tuesday 19th September 00:32

Reading the profile, I'm assuming that he's some sort of Porsche indie and the £200k is the current debt balance on his stocking loan facility

[Pothole]

TurbosSuck said:

Pothole said:

TurbosSuck said:

The guy is clearly a bit of an idiot, but jail? What I can't get my head around is that if he had stolen it from someone while threatening them with some kind of power tool, he would have got off scott free...

You'll have some examples you'd like to link to, I'm sure...

I sure don't. But it's widely reported that police won't chase criminals who steal motorcycles, the most common method of which seems to involve power tools. My point is only that by acting like a tit but on what I assume is a legal motorbike and by stopping for the police, he seems to have been fairly harshly reprimanded. Whereas if he had stolen the bike and simply not stopped, he would have almost certainly got away with it.

Edited by TurbosSuck on Tuesday 19th September 09:05

You're extrapolating an awful lot from not very much.

The College of Policing is the organisation that writes police policy and individual Forces subscribe to those policies (they can also make adaptions and issue further guidance for their own Force’s officers).

In the Authorised Professional Practice for Police Pursuits, the College guidance reads:

Engagement with quad bikes and motorcycles presents additional challenges to those involved in pursuit management. The acceleration and manoeuvrability of these vehicles make it difficult for officers to engage with the subject vehicle for sufficient time to develop and implement tactics. Furthermore, given the lack of physical protection provided by the vehicle, the vulnerability of the rider is a serious consideration. Motorcycle and quad bike pursuits clearly present higher risks for suspects than conventional vehicle pursuit. Only trained and authorised staff should engage in motorcycle and quad bike pursuits and tactics.

“There may be a public interest in engaging motorcycles and quads in pursuits. Where such vehicles are used to facilitate serious crime or used repeatedly as the mode of transport for organised crime groups then, to minimise risk to the public from criminality and to secure public confidence in policing, a pursuit may be justified. ”

So it's not generally SOP not to pursue, but pursuits must have authorisation and be carried out by trained officers. Beat bobbies in what used to be called panda cars patrolling urdan areas, where the vast majority of the type of crimes I think you're referring to takes place, are not so trained, so will be unlikely to be authorised to pursue. The officers in this case, however, in an unmarked patrol car on an extra-urban highway, would be far more likely to be trained to the level required so would be likely to have their pursuit authorised, wouldn't you think?

[Rawwr]

Whilst av185 may have made his point in a particularly poor way, he does nevertheless have a point. Some riders make it very, very easy to hate them. If you're going to ride like a bit of a plum, think of it like masturbation: it's fun but you're going to get in trouble and people will think you're tragic if you're seen doing it in public.

[black-k1]

Pothole said:

TurbosSuck said:

Pothole said:

TurbosSuck said:

The guy is clearly a bit of an idiot, but jail? What I can't get my head around is that if he had stolen it from someone while threatening them with some kind of power tool, he would have got off scott free...

You'll have some examples you'd like to link to, I'm sure...

I sure don't. But it's widely reported that police won't chase criminals who steal motorcycles, the most common method of which seems to involve power tools. My point is only that by acting like a tit but on what I assume is a legal motorbike and by stopping for the police, he seems to have been fairly harshly reprimanded. Whereas if he had stolen the bike and simply not stopped, he would have almost certainly got away with it.

Edited by TurbosSuck on Tuesday 19th September 09:05

You're extrapolating an awful lot from not very much.

The College of Policing is the organisation that writes police policy and individual Forces subscribe to those policies (they can also make adaptions and issue further guidance for their own Force’s officers).

In the Authorised Professional Practice for Police Pursuits, the College guidance reads:

Engagement with quad bikes and motorcycles presents additional challenges to those involved in pursuit management. The acceleration and manoeuvrability of these vehicles make it difficult for officers to engage with the subject vehicle for sufficient time to develop and implement tactics. Furthermore, given the lack of physical protection provided by the vehicle, the vulnerability of the rider is a serious consideration. Motorcycle and quad bike pursuits clearly present higher risks for suspects than conventional vehicle pursuit. Only trained and authorised staff should engage in motorcycle and quad bike pursuits and tactics.

“There may be a public interest in engaging motorcycles and quads in pursuits. Where such vehicles are used to facilitate serious crime or used repeatedly as the mode of transport for organised crime groups then, to minimise risk to the public from criminality and to secure public confidence in policing, a pursuit may be justified. ”

So it's not generally SOP not to pursue, but pursuits must have authorisation and be carried out by trained officers. Beat bobbies in what used to be called panda cars patrolling urdan areas, where the vast majority of the type of crimes I think you're referring to takes place, are not so trained, so will be unlikely to be authorised to pursue. The officers in this case, however, in an unmarked patrol car on an extra-urban highway, would be far more likely to be trained to the level required so would be likely to have their pursuit authorised, wouldn't you think?

While I understand it was likely that the police in this particular case would have had their pursuit authorised, I think the point that those on stolen bikes, unwilling to stop for the police, are considerably more likely to get away with it than not. (Look at the bike theft statistics vs. the convictions for bike theft for proof!) Which does lead to the realistic possibility that this individual was "harshly punished" because he owned the motorcycle (so could be traced) and stopped for the police.

[av185]

ClaphamGT3 said:

Reading the profile, I'm assuming that he's some sort of Porsche indie and the £200k is the current debt balance on his stocking loan facility

Ha, you assume incorrectly.......old chap.

Don't give up the day job btw....

[av185]

CypSIdders said:

av185 said:

I agree with giving them room....if at all possible.

However this was a narrow B road with no room to pass, no pull ins and central double whites.

Clearly, there was, if your original text is to be believed!

Eh?

You should read the highway code. :

Edited by av185 on Tuesday 19th September 18:24

[av185]

Rawwr said:

Some riders make it very, very easy to hate them. .

I rest my case.

..PH understatement of the week.

[MrGman]

av185 said:

Rawwr said:

Some riders Porsche drivers make it very, very easy to hate them. .

I rest my case.

..PH understatement of the week.

[nonsequitur]

av185 said:

Returning from the Lakes the other day.

Groups of bikers doing wheelies 2 cms from the rear of my £200k car.

Overtaking crossing double whites.

Small wonder many are wiped out.

Dashcam footage submitted to Plod. At least 3 near misses.

Irresponsible fkwits.

Deserve all they get.

This dhead is no different.

200k? And I thought that PH was created for poor people.

[anonymous-user]

nonsequitur said:

200k? And I thought that PH was created for poor people.

It is. £2k down and a £198k balloon payment after 3 years.

[Pothole]

black-k1 said:

While I understand it was likely that the police in this particular case would have had their pursuit authorised, I think the point that those on stolen bikes, unwilling to stop for the police, are considerably more likely to get away with it than not. (Look at the bike theft statistics vs. the convictions for bike theft for proof!) Which does lead to the realistic possibility that this individual was "harshly punished" because he owned the motorcycle (so could be traced) and stopped for the police.

I'm not sure what the point is, though. Am I supposed to feel sorry for this moron? All he's done is reinforce the view of many other road users that we're all crazy people with a death wish.

[av185]

Pothole said:

I'm not sure what the point is, though. Am I supposed to feel sorry for this moron? All he's done is reinforce the view of many other road users that we're all crazy people with a death wish.

It is patently obvious that this view was already well established by many road users way before this moron was convicted.

Wonder why?

[Pothole]

av185 said:

Pothole said:

I'm not sure what the point is, though. Am I supposed to feel sorry for this moron? All he's done is reinforce the view of many other road users that we're all crazy people with a death wish.

It is patently obvious that this view was already well established by many road users way before this moron was convicted.

Wonder why?

Because tarring with a wide brush is a national pastime?

[Hungrymc]

av185 said:

It is patently obvious that this view was already well established by many road users way before this moron was convicted.

Wonder why?

Serious question, why did you feel the cost of your car material to your initial post? I'm guessing there is some relevance or consequence that I'm missing.

[oilbethere]

Hungrymc said:

av185 said:

It is patently obvious that this view was already well established by many road users way before this moron was convicted.

Wonder why?

Serious question, why did you feel the cost of your car material to your initial post? I'm guessing there is some relevance or consequence that I'm missing.

Grade A bell end?
A bloke like this comes into our local who just loves to tell everyone how rich he is, everyone despises him.
Funnily enough the landlord is a multimillionaire who bought the pub just for the crack and yet the said bell end tries to tell him how well he's doing yet has to go to work everyday.