New Ride / Project - 2016 R1

[Dog Star]

mrleeson660 said:

Not sure I follow (apologies if being thick!)

Light tint screen looked fantastic on the website: https://conquestcarbon.com/product/puig-yamaha-yzf...

I just prefer the slightly taller screen so when your fully tucked the aero is spot on / no wind noise.

Sorry, but I disagree (and obviously this is my point of view) - I have yet to see a non standard shaped screen that doesn't look utterly toss (the pinnacle being the "double bubble" ). Can't say I've noticed any wind effects from my standard screen and I'm 6'3".

Some people just like to buy entire catalogues of tat and fling it at bikes. That's cool if it floats your boat

Plus points - you've not specced anything from R&G.

[mrleeson660]

Cheers for all the positive comments guys.

More waffling below I'm afraid .......

It's 2016 - last year they did them in the red and white.

I'll post dyno sheets before / after and some quick feedback on flash tune.

Exhaust has 2 dB killers in on the video and really isn't too bad around 105dB. It's pretty much the same as my 750 with full Akra. With just 1 it is way too loud but sounds bit more rounded, with no dB killers it must be ridiculous. I heard a customer bike at local dealer with a decat Akra system and frankly it actually hurt to stand next to the thing on fast idle, pretty pointless! The AR system with 2 dB killers is nothing like that otherwise it'd be sent back.

Screen - point taken bud I'll have another look make sure it improves over stock if not I wont bother.

Totally understand why people prefer the bike on track! Brutal, hard and aggressive on the road but that's what I wanted.

moto_traxport said:

Noticed reg no starts with an R for Reading area.

You didn't get it from Mike at Pro Bike Newbury by any chance? Frame number ends in 4954?

Not sure on the frame number without checking but yes that's the one! Seem like really nice ppl was very happy with the service.


Cheers

[moto_traxport]

mrleeson660 said:

It's 2016 - last year they did them in the red and white.

moto_traxport said:

Noticed reg no starts with an R for Reading area.

You didn't get it from Mike at Pro Bike Newbury by any chance? Frame number ends in 4954?

Not sure on the frame number without checking but yes that's the one! Seem like really nice ppl was very happy with the service.

I was reasonably sure the one they had left was a 2015 model. You could probably check quite easily by looking at the date code on the tyres or inside the body panels. Anything late 2014 or very early 2015 means it's the first 2015 model. If it's late 2015 or early 2016 then it's the second batch.

A quick call or email to Yamaha UK with the chassis number would confirm if it if you had any further doubt.

Normally not an issue if the paint job & spec hasn't changed as hanging around an extra year in a showroom does them no harm. If it does turn out to be a 2015 bike however, I'd want confirmation the gearbox recall / new parts have been fitted (it's an engine out job).

Also if it's been sold on the basis of being a 2016 bike and it's a 2015 bike then I'd suggest they sort you out ££ somehow (first service free or something?) as 'it doesn't matter' when you're buying it soon gets picked up when you're trading it.

[mrleeson660]

moto_traxport said:

mrleeson660 said:

It's 2016 - last year they did them in the red and white.

moto_traxport said:

Noticed reg no starts with an R for Reading area.

You didn't get it from Mike at Pro Bike Newbury by any chance? Frame number ends in 4954?

Not sure on the frame number without checking but yes that's the one! Seem like really nice ppl was very happy with the service.

I was reasonably sure the one they had left was a 2015 model. You could probably check quite easily by looking at the date code on the tyres or inside the body panels. Anything late 2014 or very early 2015 means it's the first 2015 model. If it's late 2015 or early 2016 then it's the second batch.

A quick call or email to Yamaha UK with the chassis number would confirm if it if you had any further doubt.

Normally not an issue if the paint job & spec hasn't changed as hanging around an extra year in a showroom does them no harm. If it does turn out to be a 2015 bike however, I'd want confirmation the gearbox recall / new parts have been fitted (it's an engine out job).

Also if it's been sold on the basis of being a 2016 bike and it's a 2015 bike then I'd suggest they sort you out ££ somehow (first service free or something?) as 'it doesn't matter' when you're buying it soon gets picked up when you're trading it.

Thanks for the info much appreciated.

I did a quick check on the VIN on a parts website and got:



But I've emailed Mark to check and will ring Yamaha UK tomorrow.

If it is 2015 I will be on the war path, I was well aware of the recall hence why I looked so hard for 2016 bike.

Fingers crossed!

Thanks again.

[Alonso92]

Very very nice! I like it all (including the exhaust) but it would be perrrfect in that yellow they do :drool:. How much is the tune and associated hardware (if you need anything extra)?

[mrleeson660]

Alonso92 said:

Very very nice! I like it all (including the exhaust) but it would be perrrfect in that yellow they do :drool:. How much is the tune and associated hardware (if you need anything extra)?

Cheers bud

The bike will look so much better with the belly pan, it'll cover the space left by the cat - should look mint in white.

One thing to mention on the de-cat comments; if you get a chance whip your cat off and feel the weight of the thing, it is unbelievably heavy. I weighed mine at 6.3kg (corrected), the link pipe that replaces it weighs 0.65kg (corrected).

The flash kit is around £650 from Velox Racing. That includes the single wide-band lambda, ECU hardness and software + license. I'm going to do the mapping myself as the ActiveTune does all the technical work for you. That said if it dynos under 190 rwhp I may ask the guys at GT Performance to dyno tune the base map for me.

Thankfully had confirmation from Yamaha that it is a 2016 model. Cheers

Edited by mrleeson660 on Friday 12th January 14:25

[ollie05]

fking hell that's a fair weight saving.

Glad the bike is a 16 model. Mind me asking what you gave for it, and how much the can was?

Edited by ollie05 on Friday 12th January 13:21

[Biker's Nemesis]

I was sure the cat's from my R1 and MT10 were just over 9 kilo.

I must have been looking at the scales upside down.

[moto_traxport]

mrleeson660 said:

Thankfully had confirmation from Yamaha that it is a 2016 model. Cheers

Great news - they had an earlier one in stock for so long I didn't notice when they must have sold it and replaced it with a later one in the same colour.

[mrleeson660]

ollie05 said:

fking hell that's a fair weight saving.

Glad the bike is a 16 model. Mind me asking what you gave for it, and how much the can was?

Edited by ollie05 on Friday 12th January 13:21

Yeah defo you can actually feel the difference just moving the bike around in the garage. The weight saving on my 750 was similar when I went for the full Akra and on the road it was really noticeable.

Of course mate I paid £14200 for the R1 delivered to Cornwall - 0 miles unregistered. I got slightly under what I wanted for my 750 but it did have 13500 miles and I know the mods never add much value. All in all happy with the deal / changeover cost.

Biker's Nemesis said:

I was sure the cat's from my R1 and MT10 were just over 9 kilo.

I must have been looking at the scales upside down.

It was definitely 6300g vs 650g. Probably around 9kg with the stock exhaust attached?


Few more photos of the cat vs link:

[R1 Dave]

Congrats! Fab bikes, I love mine!

ECU flash / activetune is the best thing you’ll ever do to it (in conjunction with the decat), it transforms it

Here’s mine:

[mrleeson660]

R1 Dave said:

Congrats! Fab bikes, I love mine!

ECU flash / activetune is the best thing you’ll ever do to it (in conjunction with the decat), it transforms it

Here’s mine:

That is stunning!

Great to hear positives about the flash / active tune.

[R1 Dave]

mrleeson660 said:

R1 Dave said:

Congrats! Fab bikes, I love mine!

ECU flash / activetune is the best thing you’ll ever do to it (in conjunction with the decat), it transforms it

Here’s mine:

That is stunning!

Great to hear positives about the flash / active tune.

It’s definately worth the money. Another thing I found worthwhile was an RCS19 master cylinder and EBC GPFAX pads.

[mrleeson660]

R1 Dave said:

It’s definately worth the money. Another thing I found worthwhile was an RCS19 master cylinder and EBC GPFAX pads.

Ah yes I saw a bike for sale with that setup - will look into it. On first impressions I've found the brakes to be really powerful but lacking in any real feel compared to my GSXR Brembos. So I'm definitely looking in ways to get that feel back if possible.

Ref the ActiveTune if you have spare 5 really interested to hear the benefits you found over stock. Main thing I'm looking to sort out is the smoothness of the throttle. I found it is possible to be smooth on the stock throttle but it takes serious concentration haha. I think I may have a bit of slack in the cable as well as it's not very crisp on the down-changes, My 750 was so so sharp post mods, blipping down through the box was a dream. I appreciate this might just be the crossplane motor vs inline 4.

Any info much appreciated.

Cheers Dave

[R1 Dave]

mrleeson660 said:

R1 Dave said:

It’s definately worth the money. Another thing I found worthwhile was an RCS19 master cylinder and EBC GPFAX pads.

Ah yes I saw a bike for sale with that setup - will look into it. On first impressions I've found the brakes to be really powerful but lacking in any real feel compared to my GSXR Brembos. So I'm definitely looking in ways to get that feel back if possible.

Ref the ActiveTune if you have spare 5 really interested to hear the benefits you found over stock. Main thing I'm looking to sort out is the smoothness of the throttle. I found it is possible to be smooth on the stock throttle but it takes serious concentration haha. I think I may have a bit of slack in the cable as well as it's not very crisp on the down-changes, My 750 was so so sharp post mods, blipping down through the box was a dream. I appreciate this might just be the crossplane motor vs inline 4.

Any info much appreciated.

Cheers Dave

Hi mate, sorry for delay.

Re the brakes, it’s the ABS setup that robs feel and bite. The only real way to get that back is to ditch the ABS. I’m not keen on that idea so I fitted the GPFAX pads which are meant to be for race use, I’m sure they’d be grabby as hell on any other bike but on the R1 they work well as they’re held back a bit by the ABS setup (IMHO).

Re the FTEcu flash, I wanted exactly the same as you; to sort the god-awful Throttle!!! It was bloody terrible, gave me severe wrist ache from having to be so careful with it. Without the cat it also had a flat Spot in the low/mid range. Flashing it sorted those issues, the throttle is massively better. You need to de-cat it to get the most from it as that means you can turn off all the emissions crap that causes the issue - basically in standard trim the fuel gets shut off dead the moment you close the Throttle, this is for emissions and to stop unburnt fuel entering the cat and damaging it. With a decat you don’t have this issue. Adding the active tune just makes it even smoother again, just oodles of smooth power all the way through the Rev range, I leave mine on the ‘constant tune’ mode which I know many advise against but for me I find it works beautifully.

[mrleeson660]

R1 Dave said:

Hi mate, sorry for delay.

Re the brakes, it’s the ABS setup that robs feel and bite. The only real way to get that back is to ditch the ABS. I’m not keen on that idea so I fitted the GPFAX pads which are meant to be for race use, I’m sure they’d be grabby as hell on any other bike but on the R1 they work well as they’re held back a bit by the ABS setup (IMHO).

Re the FTEcu flash, I wanted exactly the same as you; to sort the god-awful Throttle!!! It was bloody terrible, gave me severe wrist ache from having to be so careful with it. Without the cat it also had a flat Spot in the low/mid range. Flashing it sorted those issues, the throttle is massively better. You need to de-cat it to get the most from it as that means you can turn off all the emissions crap that causes the issue - basically in standard trim the fuel gets shut off dead the moment you close the Throttle, this is for emissions and to stop unburnt fuel entering the cat and damaging it. With a decat you don’t have this issue. Adding the active tune just makes it even smoother again, just oodles of smooth power all the way through the Rev range, I leave mine on the ‘constant tune’ mode which I know many advise against but for me I find it works beautifully.

sounds fantastic mate really appreciate the info. I'm going to ride the bike stock until it's first service just to get a proper feel for it and do the stock dyno run then it'll be decat time + FTecu cant wait!

[moto_traxport]

mrleeson660 said:

moto_traxport said:

Noticed reg no starts with an R for Reading area.

You didn't get it from Mike at Pro Bike Newbury by any chance? Frame number ends in 4954?

Not sure on the frame number without checking but yes that's the one! Seem like really nice ppl was very happy with the service.

Cheers

ProBike has just been another victim of Yamaha's current dealership cull.

Couple of YMUK blokes turn up in the morning to chat with the owners. Either brand up & invest more or we'll pull your franchise - Errr! Truck arrives at lunchtime to collect the stock.

Fortunately they've still got Suzuki.

Tough times in bike dealership land.

[WaferThinHam]

moto_traxport said:

ProBike has just been another victim of Yamaha's current dealership cull.

Couple of YMUK blokes turn up in the morning to chat with the owners. Either brand up & invest more or we'll pull your franchise - Errr! Truck arrives at lunchtime to collect the stock.

Fortunately they've still got Suzuki.

Tough times in bike dealership land.

Seems counter productive, you'd think they'd want a strong dealer network, not just ones that have the correct floor tiles and light up Yamaha logos.

[cmaguire]

WaferThinHam said:

Seems counter productive, you'd think they'd want a strong dealer network, not just ones that have the correct floor tiles and light up Yamaha logos.

I presumed he meant they were told they had to go solus and dump Suzuki to keep the Yamaha franchise.

[WaferThinHam]

cmaguire said:

I presumed he meant they were told they had to go solus and dump Suzuki to keep the Yamaha franchise.

Aaa, I see.