Helmet cam catches rider crash

[moanthebairns]

I'm gonna need to try this counter steering malarkey... The only times I notice myself doing it is on a bike that's setup too stiff for my weedy physique.
This is what's been holding me back I'm sure of it. I'll be as good as mckeann, now I've sorted my gears, tyres, suspension and brakes.

[black-k1]

bennyboysvuk said:

MR2_SC said:

Jazoli said:

Dick Seaman said:

bennyboysvuk said:

I was told or I read many years ago that it wasn't possible to lose the front on a dry road through countersteering hard

I'm reasonably new to biking, have ridden 7000 miles since passing my test a year ago. I've been practicing/experimenting with conscious countersteering for a few months and have been wondering about this. Is it true? I've been assuming that if I keep pushing harder on the inside bar eventually the bike will just fall over.

You can't defy the laws of physics, if you force a bike beyond its limits by countersteering/braking too hard/leaning over too far it will crash, but self preservation kicks in a long way before you are about to exceed the limits usually, very few people can exploit all the grip available to them.

As above, physics will prevail. I have crashed by counter steering too hard. In hindsight, the tyres were a few years old and I was leant a long way over already when I tried to tighten my line a bit more. So unlikely but not impossible.

I should probably caveat this by saying that all this was on warmed Supercorsas on sports bikes. Going from bolt upright to knee on the deck, I've countersteered as hard as I possibly could at between around 70-100 (on track) and the bike just gets on its side ridiculously quickly, to the point where your knee hits the deck with some force. It's the same thing on the road, albeit, not at 100. It never felt like the bike was going to lose grip and felt more like I wasn't strong enough to make it turn any faster, but then I wouldn't want it to either. It's just nice to know that it can.

There are too many variables to say never, but , with decent (warmed up) tyres and reasonable quality tarmac, it’s not possible to force an off through counter steering too hard unless something else is in the equation such as braking/hard throttle off, touching something down, poor condition suspension/cycle parts etc.

Assuming we’re talking about riding on the road and unexpectedly fining yourself with too much speed, then the choice between risking pushing too hard by trying to steer around vs. panic braking and hoping to lose enough speed to make the situation manageable, the steering option will almost always be the safer. Trying to do both will almost always be the worst option but the one most people go for!

[BobSaunders]

moanthebairns said:

I'll be as good as mckeann, now I've sorted my gears, tyres, suspension and brakes.

Some say he invented countersteering as a laugh one day whilst out riding, and then never really explained it to people so as to cause much debate and arguments. Some also say he knows which RSV4's are lemons and which ones are not.

[moanthebairns]

BobSaunders said:

moanthebairns said:

I'll be as good as mckeann, now I've sorted my gears, tyres, suspension and brakes.

Some say he invented countersteering as a laugh one day whilst out riding, and then never really explained it to people so as to cause much debate and arguments. Some also say he knows which RSV4's are lemons and which ones are not.

doesn't move a muscle on the bike and goes round you like your not there. Must have arms like popeye

[mckeann]

It's because I'm dead inside