Moto GP first race

[Stan the Bat]

Simes205 said:

Stan the Bat said:

Simes205 said:

Highlights on C5, Wednesday!

I'll bet that you can find Moto3,2 and GP races on torrents within 4or 5 hours of the races finishing.

I can watch it live too! Frustratingly unrealiable though

Yes, torrents are usually better quality than the streams.

[mckeann]

Gavia said:

I don’t get this at all. I know he’s desperate for that 10th title, but the older he gets the less likely it is and last year was far from a great year for him. Pedrosa gets dogs abuse for his performance, but Rossi is performing worse than him based on last year.

What happens if this year is a really bad one for him? I don’t see him winning any races at all, short of one of those weird races where the others all fall off. Lorenzo will be more competitive this year, so that’s another rider for him to contend with. How will he justify a factory ride, when others will possibly lose their ride for better performances?

I loved watching Rossi in his pomp, and in his youth it was great watching him “play” with the rest of the field before deciding to pull the pin and clear off into the distance. I think he’s tarnishing legacy by carrying on, the incident a few years back didn’t help him either.

No doubt I’m going to get slaughtered for daring to question Rossi, but please re-read the first sentence of the paragraph just above this one.

You're wrong Gav

[Gavia]

mckeann said:

You're wrong Gav

I’m not prepared to sit around and take that level of abuse. Simply unacceptable

[epom]

How is Rossi tarnishing his legacy ?? He used to be the best he's not anymore, big deal. He's racing because he wants to be. He's obviously only interested in racing, that and the fact he has still been consistently near the top.

[Gavia]

epom said:

How is Rossi tarnishing his legacy ?? He used to be the best he's not anymore, big deal. He's racing because he wants to be. He's obviously only interested in racing, that and the fact he has still been consistently near the top.

My opinion is that sportspeople who prolong their careers when their best is long behind them are tarnishing their career. Quitting when you’re at the the top is very difficult, but knowing when you’re on the wane and walking away whilst still near to the top I see the best way for any sportsperson to retire. Stoker retired too early IMO and equally tarnished his reputation a short a result. Striking a balance is key.

I remember George Best ravaged by booze aimlessly wandering around a pitch in the lower leagues, as he couldn’t bring himself to leave a game that he was once king of. I’m not suggesting Rossi is at that low ebb, but he is struggling to stay with the newer riders and that gap is growing. I expect Zarco to outperform him this year, as well as Lorenzo being more competitive. There’s a real possibility that Rossi could be as low as 7th in the championship.

[Chipchap]

http://www.bikesportnews.com/news/news-detail/moto...

Dovi from Rossi then Marquez

[twizellb]

Chipchap said:

http://www.bikesportnews.com/news/news-detail/moto...

Dovi from Rossi then Marquez

[epom]

Gavia said:

epom said:

How is Rossi tarnishing his legacy ?? He used to be the best he's not anymore, big deal. He's racing because he wants to be. He's obviously only interested in racing, that and the fact he has still been consistently near the top.

My opinion is that sportspeople who prolong their careers when their best is long behind them are tarnishing their career. Quitting when you’re at the the top is very difficult, but knowing when you’re on the wane and walking away whilst still near to the top I see the best way for any sportsperson to retire. Stoker retired too early IMO and equally tarnished his reputation a short a result. Striking a balance is key.

I remember George Best ravaged by booze aimlessly wandering around a pitch in the lower leagues, as he couldn’t bring himself to leave a game that he was once king of. I’m not suggesting Rossi is at that low ebb, but he is struggling to stay with the newer riders and that gap is growing. I expect Zarco to outperform him this year, as well as Lorenzo being more competitive. There’s a real possibility that Rossi could be as low as 7th in the championship.

But what if you really don't care what people think and just want to race, the hunger is there and you have the chance and the tools to do it ?
What if you have done it all and no longer need to prove yourself to anyone, least of all yourself. What if you just want to enjoy it ?

[Gavia]

epom said:

But what if you really don't care what people think and just want to race, the hunger is there and you have the chance and the tools to do it ?
What if you have done it all and no longer need to prove yourself to anyone, least of all yourself. What if you just want to enjoy it ?

Top racers race to win, not to finish on the podium or top 5, or whatever. If they can not win then their motivation gets tested a lot. If the reason for not winning is down to machinery, then they get very angry, very quickly, if it’s down to them, then many walk away once they realise it’s time to go.

I just worry that he’s somehow convincing himself that he’s still at the top of his game when he isn’t. I just think it’ll be hard to call him the GOAT if his last decade in the sport is as an also ran.

[obscene]

I don't see how you can write Rossi off for wanting to stay. The guy still loves riding bikes, is still within shot of winning a title and is competitive. Nuff said.

[Gavia]

obscene said:

I don't see how you can write Rossi off for wanting to stay. The guy still loves riding bikes, is still within shot of winning a title and is competitive. Nuff said.

I’m not writing him off, I’m saying he’s no longer at the top of his game and on the wane, that isn’t the same as writing him off. Too many people get too emotional when Rossi is being discussed and jump to the extreme.

I’m not sure that it can be said that he’s in with a shot. Nobody seems to rate Pedrosa, yet he performs at or around the Rossi level. I hope Rosindoes well, I really do, but I’m not convinced that riding into his 40s to chase what is likely to be an ever decreasing chance of a title is a wise move.

Kenny Roberts loves riding bikes still, but I wouldn’t recommend he gets a factory ride in MotoGP.

Let me put it this way. People love to compare riders from different eras and there’s always the trump argument that you can’t compare them as they were from different eras. Rossi is losing that argument with Marquez who has beaten him every year that they’ve raced together. That makes the GOAT title a bit difficult to maintain.

I’m not a big fan of Marquez, but I can see him beating all of Rossi’s records and possibly matching his title count while Rossi is still riding.

[JRC1]

Gavia said:

I don’t get this at all. I know he’s desperate for that 10th title, but the older he gets the less likely it is and last year was far from a great year for him. Pedrosa gets dogs abuse for his performance, but Rossi is performing worse than him based on last year.

What happens if this year is a really bad one for him? I don’t see him winning any races at all, short of one of those weird races where the others all fall off. Lorenzo will be more competitive this year, so that’s another rider for him to contend with. How will he justify a factory ride, when others will possibly lose their ride for better performances?

I loved watching Rossi in his pomp, and in his youth it was great watching him “play” with the rest of the field before deciding to pull the pin and clear off into the distance. I think he’s tarnishing legacy by carrying on, the incident a few years back didn’t help him either.

No doubt I’m going to get slaughtered for daring to question Rossi, but please re-read the first sentence of the paragraph just above this one.

Honestly you're like a broken record. You said the same thing last season as well.

Almost word for word, here's your post from a few days back:

Gavia said:

Personally, I think Rossi should’ve retired a good few years ago, he’s tarnished his reputation with the incident with Marquez a few years back and now he’s here as a marketing tool rather than a true racer. He is a fair way off the others and given that Pedrosa gets dogs abuse formhis performances, I’m baffled why Rossi gets praise for finishing behind him?

and just in case we missed the bit about Pedrosa, here it is again:

Gavia said:

I’m not sure that it can be said that he’s in with a shot. Nobody seems to rate Pedrosa, yet he performs at or around the Rossi level. I hope Rosindoes well, I really do, but I’m not convinced that riding into his 40s to chase what is likely to be an ever decreasing chance of a title is a wise move.

It's okay to have an opinion, but it must bother you quite a bit that you feel the need to post it in almost every GP thread, multiple times?

Apart from last year when the bike was a lemon, he finished runner up the previous 3 seasons.
He just finished 2nd in the Qatar test.
He's resigned for another 2 years as he clearly still has the speed to compete at the front... he was 2nd this morning 0.06 off of Dovi.

I'm sorry but I don't get your point and neither it seems do the majority of other people in this thread.

[bakerstreet]

I am also questioning another two year deal for Rossi. This means he will be swinging his leg over a MotoGP bike at the age of 41! and that will be double the age of the some of the rest of field and I think you have to question his place on the bike if he isn't challenging for race wins on a regular basis.

I see him as third/fourth at most races. As a Rossi fan that's not where I want to see him. Maybe he retires with grace and not finish the two year term.

I personally think there is more to it than his desire to continue to race a MotoGP bike and all its associated risks. A lot of it will be his draw of fans. Dorna know that they could be in real trouble when he walks off the grid in terms of viewing figures and race day attendance.It will be and that will be a very very sad day for the sport. I almost expect a real fanfare will be made of his lastr race in MotoGP. I may even go to his last races.

[mckeann]

Gavia said:

There’s a real possibility that Rossi could be as low as 7th in the championship.

Haha, I'll take that bet. How much do you want to lose?

[mckeann]

Gavia said:

Rossi is losing that argument with Marquez who has beaten him every year that they’ve raced together. That makes the GOAT title a bit difficult to maintain.

Except 2016 when Rossi beat Marquez by 83 points

[Gavia]

JRC1 said:

Gavia said:

I don’t get this at all. I know he’s desperate for that 10th title, but the older he gets the less likely it is and last year was far from a great year for him. Pedrosa gets dogs abuse for his performance, but Rossi is performing worse than him based on last year.

What happens if this year is a really bad one for him? I don’t see him winning any races at all, short of one of those weird races where the others all fall off. Lorenzo will be more competitive this year, so that’s another rider for him to contend with. How will he justify a factory ride, when others will possibly lose their ride for better performances?

I loved watching Rossi in his pomp, and in his youth it was great watching him “play” with the rest of the field before deciding to pull the pin and clear off into the distance. I think he’s tarnishing legacy by carrying on, the incident a few years back didn’t help him either.

No doubt I’m going to get slaughtered for daring to question Rossi, but please re-read the first sentence of the paragraph just above this one.

Honestly you're like a broken record. You said the same thing last season as well.

Almost word for word, here's your post from a few days back:

Gavia said:

Personally, I think Rossi should’ve retired a good few years ago, he’s tarnished his reputation with the incident with Marquez a few years back and now he’s here as a marketing tool rather than a true racer. He is a fair way off the others and given that Pedrosa gets dogs abuse formhis performances, I’m baffled why Rossi gets praise for finishing behind him?

and just in case we missed the bit about Pedrosa, here it is again:

Gavia said:

I’m not sure that it can be said that he’s in with a shot. Nobody seems to rate Pedrosa, yet he performs at or around the Rossi level. I hope Rosindoes well, I really do, but I’m not convinced that riding into his 40s to chase what is likely to be an ever decreasing chance of a title is a wise move.

It's okay to have an opinion, but it must bother you quite a bit that you feel the need to post it in almost every GP thread, multiple times?

Apart from last year when the bike was a lemon, he finished runner up the previous 3 seasons.
He just finished 2nd in the Qatar test.
He's resigned for another 2 years as he clearly still has the speed to compete at the front... he was 2nd this morning 0.06 off of Dovi.

I'm sorry but I don't get your point and neither it seems do the majority of other people in this thread.

I did say the same thing last year and he didn’t have a great season. Yes, he broke his leg, but injury is part and parcel of a bike race season.

It doesn’t bother me at all that I have an opinion. Does it bother you that you can not stand the idea of someone having a different one to you?

By finishing runner up he wasn’t winning the title. Last year he finished 5th. That is the definition of someone on the wane. His results are trailing off. He won one race in the whole of last season.

Anyway, time will tell. I hope he does well. I hope he wins a few more races this season. I just don’t think he will. All I want to see is some top racing.

[oilbethere]

Gavia said:

I did say the same thing last year and he didn’t have a great season. Yes, he broke his leg, but injury is part and parcel of a bike race season.

It doesn’t bother me at all that I have an opinion. Does it bother you that you can not stand the idea of someone having a different one to you?

By finishing runner up he wasn’t winning the title. Last year he finished 5th. That is the definition of someone on the wane. His results are trailing off. He won one race in the whole of last season.

Anyway, time will tell. I hope he does well. I hope he wins a few more races this season. I just don’t think he will. All I want to see is some top racing.

The Yamaha team was poor last year. Not a true racer? You're having a laugh!

[Gavia]

mckeann said:

Gavia said:

There’s a real possibility that Rossi could be as low as 7th in the championship.

Haha, I'll take that bet. How much do you want to lose?

It’s only a possibility. There’s no way he’ll finish lower than that so that’s the extreme position I’ve picked. I should really have written 6th not 7th as well. I’m not saying he will finish there, but he could.

And I’m not betting.

mckeann said:

Except 2016 when Rossi beat Marquez by 83 points

I knew I should’ve checked the facts. Whoops

Bar one year Marquez has finished ahead of Rossi in every year that Marquez has competed in MotoGP.

2016 has driven a lot of the style of comments that I’ll get on here for my views though. Quite a few will ignore my positive comments that I make in every post about him amd just focus in the fact that I dare to question him. Some even start an weak ad hominem attack like JRC1 who doesn’t post at all in here, other than defending Rossi and slating every other rider.

[Gavia]

oilbethere said:

Gavia said:

I did say the same thing last year and he didn’t have a great season. Yes, he broke his leg, but injury is part and parcel of a bike race season.

It doesn’t bother me at all that I have an opinion. Does it bother you that you can not stand the idea of someone having a different one to you?

By finishing runner up he wasn’t winning the title. Last year he finished 5th. That is the definition of someone on the wane. His results are trailing off. He won one race in the whole of last season.

Anyway, time will tell. I hope he does well. I hope he wins a few more races this season. I just don’t think he will. All I want to see is some top racing.

The Yamaha team was poor last year. Not a true racer? You're having a laugh!

Show me where I said the bit in bold.

This is getting unbelievably tedious now. People putting words in my mouth, completely altering what I said.

[oilbethere]

"Personally, I think Rossi should’ve retired a good few years ago, he’s tarnished his reputation with the incident with Marquez a few years back and now he’s here as a marketing tool rather than a true racer. He is a fair way off the others and given that Pedrosa gets dogs abuse formhis performances, I’m baffled why Rossi gets praise for finishing behind him?"

Your words not mine. You quoted it four posts above.

Edited by oilbethere on Friday 16th March 18:29