French police roadside ban for speeding
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I don't know if this applies to foreigners but for us living in Switzerland we have new rules since 2015, they are second part of the table.
Simple violations are still the same as before - Ordnungsbusse (can be anything up to 400 but not lower than 60CHF), 400CHF and 600CHF, plus administrative fees that can be up to 250 for bigger fines.
Gross violations are now much more expensive, not to mention that you lose the licence and pay administrative fees. The fines are income-related. 20 Tagessätze Geldstrafe means they take 20 days of your income from you. 75kmh on 30kmh road - you go to prison for a year or more.
Enjoy Switzerland! :-D
Ho Lee Kau said:
Unmarked police cars driving on highways (BMWs usually), now I always look for two men in a car just in case.
Switzerland can be hard...but it is still possible to ride here and have fun. :-)
Check, unmarked e30 touring, but modified to make look even less like an unmarked cop car got 3 of us in your anti biking country lol We were taking the piss with our speed at the moment before though but only actually done for a safe overtake in a tunnel, hence just 300CHF each deposit which eventually became our fine. Cop said unsafe or dangerous 900 CHF each. Escorted to ATM, called the local judge at home as was weekend to work out how to deal with 3 Brits, 2 of whom were not carrying full documentation as they'd left it in the hotel we were all staying in. Made to feel so welcome we only went back once on another tour, didn't stop anywhere, didn't spend a single swiss franc, and just used the roads to get through to italy on the motorway at the speed limit and also didn't buy a vignette on purpose too. Switzerland can be hard...but it is still possible to ride here and have fun. :-)
Edited by sjtscott on Tuesday 22 May 18:38
Edited by sjtscott on Tuesday 22 May 18:40
RogueTrooper said:
Funk said:
Ridiculous:
"With 3,469 killed on the roads last year, the government wants to cut speeding..."
Setting aside the assumption that speed was responsible for those deaths
OTOH."With 3,469 killed on the roads last year, the government wants to cut speeding..."
Setting aside the assumption that speed was responsible for those deaths
It's double the number of deaths on UK roads.
Cause vs effect. If you reduce speed, everything else involved in a collision (carelessness, distraction, prohibited manoeuvre) therefore involves less energy and should result in a better chance of a better outcome, i.e. living instead of dying. Accepted, it's a crude tool.
Twenty times more people die from smoking than speeding each year in France; if it's about preventing deaths why haven't they banned that?
It is ALL about the money.
Funk said:
You missed the point, it's not about deaths.
Twenty times more people die from smoking than speeding each year in France; if it's about preventing deaths why haven't they banned that?
It is ALL about the money.
Smoking related deaths often shorten the government's pension liabilities. Factor in the tax take over a lifetime and smoker's pay in more than they take out. (I've never smoked btw). Other contrary statistics are available I'm sure.Twenty times more people die from smoking than speeding each year in France; if it's about preventing deaths why haven't they banned that?
It is ALL about the money.
Ultimately though I think it's all about control.
Slow down independent fun movement into dull zombie land and it makes introduction of autonomous GPS located self driving cars on pay per mile roads then you know where everyone is.
They won't be sexy pods missing each other by mm at 200mph in a computer controlled utopia, it will be the misery of public transport made compulsory. Expensive, slow, crowded and controlled.
Then you do everything on plastic, put everything on monthly payments and gradually phase out / ban cash and you know what everyone is earning and spending and where.
A few algorythms and, hey presto, the system of governments, banks,and big business will be feeling much happier.
Boiling Frogs ...... ironically!!
moto_traxport said:
A few algorythms and, hey presto, the system of governments, banks,and big business will be feeling much happier.
Whoa there!!!! Hopefully this Utopian vision won't happen in my lifetime - however, smart motorways already show some of the characteristics you allude to.Surely Joe Public can only take so much of this control bulls
t? Ho Lee Kau said:
I don't know if this applies to foreigners but for us living in Switzerland we have new rules since 2015, they are second part of the table.
Simple violations are still the same as before - Ordnungsbusse (can be anything up to 400 but not lower than 60CHF), 400CHF and 600CHF, plus administrative fees that can be up to 250 for bigger fines.
Gross violations are now much more expensive, not to mention that you lose the licence and pay administrative fees. The fines are income-related. 20 Tagessätze Geldstrafe means they take 20 days of your income from you. 75kmh on 30kmh road - you go to prison for a year or more.
Enjoy Switzerland! :-D
The old Swiss system made a lot of sense, a mate got nabbed well above the limit and got an on the spot fine of several hundred quid, and got home to find a second fine that was over a grand. Of course he hasn't paid it but it means if he ever goes back to Switzerland and gets caught for anything he's in a lot of trouble. Quite a clever way of saying get out and don't come back.Simple violations are still the same as before - Ordnungsbusse (can be anything up to 400 but not lower than 60CHF), 400CHF and 600CHF, plus administrative fees that can be up to 250 for bigger fines.
Gross violations are now much more expensive, not to mention that you lose the licence and pay administrative fees. The fines are income-related. 20 Tagessätze Geldstrafe means they take 20 days of your income from you. 75kmh on 30kmh road - you go to prison for a year or more.
Enjoy Switzerland! :-D
RizzoTheRat said:
The old Swiss system made a lot of sense, a mate got nabbed well above the limit and got an on the spot fine of several hundred quid, and got home to find a second fine that was over a grand. Of course he hasn't paid it but it means if he ever goes back to Switzerland and gets caught for anything he's in a lot of trouble. Quite a clever way of saying get out and don't come back.
My experience of Switzerland similar to your mate effectively pay a fine as a deposit at the roadside (ATM) and in fact a 'court summons' in german was received a couple of weeks after arriving home, the only difference was that there was zero extra to pay hence myself and friends were able to go back without changing vehicles but only to pass through without spending another penny of local money at the speed limit as I was saying in my other post.I'd still have a hard job going back to Switzerland for tourism purposes now on principle, country/landscape/roads for biking are fantastic unless if done boringly slowly - I just wished the cops could take 'deposits' off other European motorists here in the UK in the same way or pursue them in their home countries.
I was fined for speeding in Finland back in 2014. I was about to have my licence and bike impounded by the police. I didn’t say what I did did for a living, but answered when they asked me while they were filling in my ticket. They asked if I had ID, which I did. They asked to see it, so I showed them. They had a long chat in Finnish and a good look at my ID and other documents.
The end result was a €580 fine and I was written up for 140kmh in a 100kmh zone. I was doing much, much more than that, but 140kmh was the upper limit for NOT losing my bike and licence.
I paid the fine and thanked my lucky stars. Fines there are income based and I didn’t fib about that, either.
The end result was a €580 fine and I was written up for 140kmh in a 100kmh zone. I was doing much, much more than that, but 140kmh was the upper limit for NOT losing my bike and licence.
I paid the fine and thanked my lucky stars. Fines there are income based and I didn’t fib about that, either.
croyde said:
As to the French not allowing GPS based speed camera warnings! Does that mean that Waze is illegal over there?
How would they even know if it's on your phone? Are they allowed to take your phone and force you to give them access to it? If so, they can get fked - that would be crossing a serious line for something as ridiculous as 'having an alert there's a camera'.smack said:
in the EU Human rights law they have to give you the information in a lauguage you understand:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_6_of_the_Eur...
wonder how many European countries are geared up for sending docs out in Gaelic ?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_6_of_the_Eur...
Biker 1 said:
moto_traxport said:
A few algorythms and, hey presto, the system of governments, banks,and big business will be feeling much happier.
Whoa there!!!! Hopefully this Utopian vision won't happen in my lifetime - however, smart motorways already show some of the characteristics you allude to.Surely Joe Public can only take so much of this control bulls
t? catso said:
Funk said:
How would they even know if it's on your phone? Are they allowed to take your phone and force you to give them access to it?
My understanding is that French police do pretty much whatever they want to so, yes they probably would.I am heading there for the first time (by car) this summer, it doesn't sound like there will be any opportunity to have fun! Is there anywhere in Europe left where you can enjoy a nice empty stretch of road without worrying about whatever ridiculous speed limit has been slapped on it?
aww999 said:
catso said:
Funk said:
How would they even know if it's on your phone? Are they allowed to take your phone and force you to give them access to it?
My understanding is that French police do pretty much whatever they want to so, yes they probably would.I am heading there for the first time (by car) this summer, it doesn't sound like there will be any opportunity to have fun! Is there anywhere in Europe left where you can enjoy a nice empty stretch of road without worrying about whatever ridiculous speed limit has been slapped on it?
Of course, it's not the sort of thing anyone was interested in funding, so I've not done anything with the concept
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