Well poop - 86 in a 60

[LuS1fer]

Firstly, i would avoid getting a solicitor because a court tends to think that if you can afford a solicitor, you can afford a big fine. In reality, a solicitor can say nothing different to what you can say yourself and, indeed, they tend to go out of their way to be "fair" when you are unrepresented.

What they will want to know is why you were going that fast, your past record, your income and outgoings.
I don't believe that Scotland has implemented a comprehensive set of sentencing guidelines as yet but, as a guide, this is the sentencing guidelines for the rest of the UK
https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/offences/item...

[poo at Paul's]

They likely forgot, but you just reminded them on here.....>!!

Let us know Weds when the summons is in!!

[Birky_41]

LuS1fer said:

Firstly, i would avoid getting a solicitor because a court tends to think that if you can afford a solicitor, you can afford a big fine. In reality, a solicitor can say nothing different to what you can say yourself and, indeed, they tend to go out of their way to be "fair" when you are unrepresented.

What they will want to know is why you were going that fast, your past record, your income and outgoings.
I don't believe that Scotland has implemented a comprehensive set of sentencing guidelines as yet but, as a guide, this is the sentencing guidelines for the rest of the UK
https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/offences/item...

Absolutely bang on from a personal experience although not speeding

Court fined me loads and solicitor despite costing me 2 grand was no real help at all

[LuS1fer]

The worst ones are the specialist motoring firms who are nothing but fraudulent thieves - they try technicalities, fail, you get potted and you're 5 grand out of pocket for f*** all

[Glasgowrob]

LuS1fer said:

Firstly, i would avoid getting a solicitor because a court tends to think that if you can afford a solicitor, you can afford a big fine. In reality, a solicitor can say nothing different to what you can say yourself and, indeed, they tend to go out of their way to be "fair" when you are unrepresented.

What they will want to know is why you were going that fast, your past record, your income and outgoings.
I don't believe that Scotland has implemented a comprehensive set of sentencing guidelines as yet but, as a guide, this is the sentencing guidelines for the rest of the UK
https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/offences/item...

cobblers


recently had a visit to court for 87 in a 50, went in armed with one of the better known Road traffic lawyers in Scotland(Michael Lyons)

bit of magic on his part and I walked out with 3 points and a £110 fine. put It this way the lawyer cost less than what it would cost to have 6 points over 3 on the insurance for the next 5 years. and even more necessary as at that speed I was potentially facing a ban.


find a good lawyer listen to what he or she says and go from there

[anonymous-user]

Yes, 5 points and a means tested fine. This country is a bloody joke.

[moanthebairns]

Chongwong said:

Still no court letter, hoping they've forgotten somehow?? nearly half way to getting away with it. No doubt it'll arrive 5 months after the offense so i've plenty time to get my hopes up.

Is your address up to date on your licence?

If not expect a knock on the door on a Friday really soon and a weekend at HRH pleasure.

[Chongwong]

moanthebairns said:

Is your address up to date on your licence?

If not expect a knock on the door on a Friday really soon and a weekend at HRH pleasure.

It is, embarrassingly I also got a telling off for having 2 separate photocards on me. They are disposing of the one at my old address. I made sure that they had my address correct when they were doing their checks also.

[seismic22]

The court letter for my offence in October 2017 arrived 5 months and 1 one week after the date of the offence.....sorry.

Best to accept its coming, allow for a big fat fine, move on and take a "c'est la vie" pill. Having taken that attitude fairly early on in waiting for my letter, I put some cash aside and when the letter did come it was just a case of 5 minutes paying the fine online and then forgetting it ever happened.

[supercommuter]

Is there a limit to the weekly income cap?

Say for example a PAYE employee on £250k a year got caught with a 'Band C' offence. Would they need to pay up to £7200 (150% of weekly income)?

The speeding fines are silly now for minor offences.

[JustAnotherNobody]

supercommuter said:

Is there a limit to the weekly income cap?

Say for example a PAYE employee on £250k a year got caught with a 'Band C' offence. Would they need to pay up to £7200 (150% of weekly income)?

The speeding fines are silly now for minor offences.

If they weren't means tested then where is the motivation for rich people to not speed? Breaking the law shouldn't hurt less just because you have more money.

[black-k1]

JustAnotherNobody said:

supercommuter said:

Is there a limit to the weekly income cap?

Say for example a PAYE employee on £250k a year got caught with a 'Band C' offence. Would they need to pay up to £7200 (150% of weekly income)?

The speeding fines are silly now for minor offences.

If they weren't means tested then where is the motivation for rich people to not speed? Breaking the law shouldn't hurt less just because you have more money.

Points?

But for laws to work, they have to be equal and applied equally, not more sever for one group than for another. I'm not sure that making someone pay more does that.

[supercommuter]

JustAnotherNobody said:

supercommuter said:

Is there a limit to the weekly income cap?

Say for example a PAYE employee on £250k a year got caught with a 'Band C' offence. Would they need to pay up to £7200 (150% of weekly income)?

The speeding fines are silly now for minor offences.

If they weren't means tested then where is the motivation for rich people to not speed? Breaking the law shouldn't hurt less just because you have more money.

I think £500 stated above in one of the post is too much. Fining somebody £7000 for doing 40 in a 20 is not proportionate to the crime, at all.

My question still stands, is there a cap on the amount?

[super7]

Any large fine is out of order for any speeding offence unless the judgement at the time is that the driving was dangerous....

Penalty points and fixed fines are adequate. It really isn't the end of the world if you did 86mph on a dual cariageway on a Sunday afternoon...

Unfortunately, we live in an ever increasing society whereby we have to be constantly protected from ourselves by an ever increasing bunch of snowflakes that's only going to get worse as they get older!

Society as it once was, back in the 70's/80's/90's, no longer exists. We are actively discouraged from accepting risk by a bunch of sef-rightous do gooders who have somehow managed to get into a position of authority. Speed limits on roads that were once NSL are now 50mph's, 30mph's are now 20mph's..... it's all just a joke, just to stop the last 2-3 people a year being knocked over!

Whilst, the snowflakes think this is great, it's not! Removing risk from everyday scenarios makes people complacent, it un-educates people in how do deal with risk, it leaves people more open to being caught out by not assesing a risk correctly...

For example, friends back in the 70's would hang a rope from a tree and place a plank at the bottom to swing out on over an incline. Mate hit's tree at far side and falls 30ft breaking both wrists and a forearm (really did happen!!!). We all learn't not to hit the tree on the far side because that would hurt. These day's some snowflake would have taken that rope down because we ALL might hurt ourselves.... actually we don't need their 'higher' opinion, we learn't not to hit the tree on the far side when our mate got carted of to A&E! Likewise we learn't not step out into the road without looking because we saw what happened when someone did!

[bogie]

For offence of speeding Im sure Its capped at £1k or £2500 on a motorway

try here

https://www.confused.com/on-the-road/driving-law/s...

[moanthebairns]

JustAnotherNobody said:

If they weren't means tested then where is the motivation for rich people to not speed? Breaking the law shouldn't hurt less just because you have more money.

You sir have been brainwashed.
Loss of licence or prison.

[supercommuter]

swerni said:

supercommuter said:

JustAnotherNobody said:

supercommuter said:

Is there a limit to the weekly income cap?

Say for example a PAYE employee on £250k a year got caught with a 'Band C' offence. Would they need to pay up to £7200 (150% of weekly income)?

The speeding fines are silly now for minor offences.

If they weren't means tested then where is the motivation for rich people to not speed? Breaking the law shouldn't hurt less just because you have more money.

I think £500 stated above in one of the post is too much. Fining somebody £7000 for doing 40 in a 20 is not proportionate to the crime, at all.

My question still stands, is there a cap on the amount?

I'll ask again, how are the fines calculated ?

It is in MTB's posted image above.

Based on category and then percentage of weekly income.

bogie said:

For offence of speeding Im sure Its capped at £1k or £2500 on a motorway

try here

https://www.confused.com/on-the-road/driving-law/s...

Thanks!

[moanthebairns]

I seriously would be going down the route of signing up for iam or something before your letter comes.

The judges lap st up like that. You've shown remorse. Thought about your driving deeply reflected. The concequences, want to become a safer rider. I'll never do it again.

Better than, oi you I never got it out of second gear what's the problem.

[moanthebairns]

They owe you.

[supercommuter]

swerni said:

supercommuter said:

swerni said:

supercommuter said:

JustAnotherNobody said:

supercommuter said:

Is there a limit to the weekly income cap?

Say for example a PAYE employee on £250k a year got caught with a 'Band C' offence. Would they need to pay up to £7200 (150% of weekly income)?

The speeding fines are silly now for minor offences.

If they weren't means tested then where is the motivation for rich people to not speed? Breaking the law shouldn't hurt less just because you have more money.

I think £500 stated above in one of the post is too much. Fining somebody £7000 for doing 40 in a 20 is not proportionate to the crime, at all.

My question still stands, is there a cap on the amount?

I'll ask again, how are the fines calculated ?

It is in MTB's posted image above.

Based on category and then percentage of weekly income.

bogie said:

For offence of speeding Im sure Its capped at £1k or £2500 on a motorway

try here

https://www.confused.com/on-the-road/driving-law/s...

Thanks!

As my income is zero this year would that mean " hypothetical" negligible to zero fine ?

Taken from here: https://www.aph.com/community/holidays/new-speedin...

So, the mega-wealthy will pay up too?
Not necessarily, those with a ‘very high income’ are likely to avoid paying such a high percentage of their earnings as drivers with a more modest wage. The guidance states that ‘in most cases’ rather than apply the same rules where up to 175 per cent of a weekly wage can be used to calculate a fine, the mega-rich are likely to be capped at just 75 per cent for a first time offender pleading not guilty.

What about those on benefits
For those offenders whose income is wholly or predominantly from benefits, the ‘wage’ on which fines are based is likely to be set at £120 a week. This will be adjusted when benefits go up or down.

How about pensioners
The fines that retired drivers receive are likely to be based on private or state pensions and any savings.

What about my savings?
Savings won’t normally be taken into account when the offender is working and earns a wage that isn’t unusually low. They may influence the decision on time to pay, though.

However, where the offender has little or no income but substantial savings, the court may consider it appropriate to adjust the amount of the fine to reflect this.