17k for litre bikes - since when?
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Gavia said:
Bikes go up in price shocker! Most things go up in price a lot and it has bugger all to do with PCP, despite the snobs on here claiming it is. Sportsbikes had a list price of £9000 from the moment they were launched until 2008 when the world went into financial meltdown.
Why people are amazed about prices a decade on is beyond me and quite bizarre.
Correct - the hack and slash in 2008 particularly hit the Japanese bikes as the exchange rates went haywire, but they were due a bit of a revaluation as the Yen was really undervalued then anyway.Why people are amazed about prices a decade on is beyond me and quite bizarre.
But yes, prices go up shocker.
Only problem is that for most thier wages haven't kept up with inflation, hence the initial shock.
It's obviously affecting the 2nd hand market too when some bikes are fetching the same as they were, say 4-5 yrs ago with more miles on the clock.
No wonder the yoof aren't taking to biking as much these days.
It's obviously affecting the 2nd hand market too when some bikes are fetching the same as they were, say 4-5 yrs ago with more miles on the clock.
No wonder the yoof aren't taking to biking as much these days.
Although inflation has something to do with it, I think cheap money and the popularity of PCP deals has allowed the manufactures to put the prices up. Quite simply if they were to expensive people wouldn't buy them and the prices would drop, but the monthly payments make it affordable. If your old school like me, then I look at the cost of the bike and if I dont have the cash to buy it, I don't have it, simple as that. But overall peoples attitude to debt is not the same as it was 30 yrs ago.
Krikkit said:
MC Bodge said:
dern said:
Completely stupid prices fuelled by incremental addition of features nobody needs. Engine modes... f
k off.
And stratospheric levels of performance that may not be any use either.k off.Engine modes do seem a bit much, but I can also imagine a rain mode being quite useful to gentle the throttle response, it means the dry one can be more aggressive.
Things like quick shifters, cornering ABS etc have also come in don't forget.
My 2007 fireblade has s
t loads of power and is superb fun... it's perfectly safe in the rain and I don't need abs, quickshifters, engine modes and all that ste. It's just stuff for mags to write about and for punters to lust after once the bike's handling and power characteristics exceeded 99% of buyers requirements so that any further improvement weren't worth paying for.Yes bikes go up in price but not as much as they have purely by inflation. It's all marketing driving sales to people who want *more*.
Also there's a gulf in between a deauville and the latest bulls
t dreamed up by some marketing department. Go and take a look at the specs page for the Kawasaki H2R and tell me how much of that crap you actually need and why it justifies a 25k price tag. That's the way we're going.I remember the day when a Golf GTI was a cheap Hot Hatch, family runabout. They're now £30K before you add a few extras.
Mt09/ Tracer bikes are still well below £10K and getting close to the performance of sports bikes of yester year. So bang for buck things haven't changed that much.
Mt09/ Tracer bikes are still well below £10K and getting close to the performance of sports bikes of yester year. So bang for buck things haven't changed that much.
YouWhat said:
Although inflation has something to do with it, I think cheap money and the popularity of PCP deals has allowed the manufactures to put the prices up. Quite simply if they were to expensive people wouldn't buy them and the prices would drop, but the monthly payments make it affordable. If your old school like me, then I look at the cost of the bike and if I dont have the cash to buy it, I don't have it, simple as that. But overall peoples attitude to debt is not the same as it was 30 yrs ago.
You “think” that the worldwide pricing structure of Japanese, Italian and German motorbike manufacturers has been driven by the popularity of PCP in the U.K. Yeah OK. WarnieV6GT said:
Only problem is that for most thier wages haven't kept up with inflation, hence the initial shock.
It's obviously affecting the 2nd hand market too when some bikes are fetching the same as they were, say 4-5 yrs ago with more miles on the clock.
No wonder the yoof aren't taking to biking as much these days.
Yes, the price of second hand sportsbikes is the reason that kids aren’t riding bikes. It’s not like the licence laws mean they can’t access these second hand sportsbikes until they’ve got a lot older and taken a few more tests is it?It's obviously affecting the 2nd hand market too when some bikes are fetching the same as they were, say 4-5 yrs ago with more miles on the clock.
No wonder the yoof aren't taking to biking as much these days.
The twomposts I just quoted at epeople deciding what the reason is and then posting about it, rather than applying any rational thought to it.
YouWhat said:
Although inflation has something to do with it, I think cheap money and the popularity of PCP deals has allowed the manufactures to put the prices up.
I strongly suspect volume sales have fallen as well, certainly for sports bikes.dern said:
Yes bikes go up in price but not as much as they have purely by inflation. It's all marketing driving sales to people who want *more*.
Inflation calculator. £9k in 1998 is now £15.5k so inflation is the primary driver.Edited by Mr2Mike on Thursday 14th June 10:22
dern said:
Indeed.
My 2007 fireblade has st loads of power and is superb fun... it's perfectly safe in the rain and I don't need abs, quickshifters, engine modes and all that ste. It's just stuff for mags to write about and for punters to lust after once the bike's handling and power characteristics exceeded 99% of buyers requirements so that any further improvement weren't worth paying for.
Yes bikes go up in price but not as much as they have purely by inflation. It's all marketing driving sales to people who want *more*.
Also there's a gulf in between a deauville and the latest bullst dreamed up by some marketing department. Go and take a look at the specs page for the Kawasaki H2R and tell me how much of that crap you actually need and why it justifies a 25k price tag. That's the way we're going.
Why’ve you got disc brakes? Or fuel injection? Or the extra 100cc? And all the other stuff the 2007 model had over the 1997 model? The older model was perfectly safe. My 2007 fireblade has s
t loads of power and is superb fun... it's perfectly safe in the rain and I don't need abs, quickshifters, engine modes and all that ste. It's just stuff for mags to write about and for punters to lust after once the bike's handling and power characteristics exceeded 99% of buyers requirements so that any further improvement weren't worth paying for.Yes bikes go up in price but not as much as they have purely by inflation. It's all marketing driving sales to people who want *more*.
Also there's a gulf in between a deauville and the latest bulls
t dreamed up by some marketing department. Go and take a look at the specs page for the Kawasaki H2R and tell me how much of that crap you actually need and why it justifies a 25k price tag. That's the way we're going.In fact why’ve you bought a Japanaese bike, what’s wrong with those good old British bikes with hand gearshifts?
An H2R is £50,000 btw and not road legal
What you really mean, is you can’t afford anything better, so pretend to look down your nose at others who can, when the reality is that you’re consumed with envy.
croyde said:
As an aside the idea of PCP on a bike fills me with dread.
I presume you need fully comp insurance and will be constantly claiming to fix dings, scrapes and dents.
Which will make things a lot more expensive.
Or am I wrong?
I’ve never done PCP, but why do you think you would be constantly be claiming?I presume you need fully comp insurance and will be constantly claiming to fix dings, scrapes and dents.
Which will make things a lot more expensive.
Or am I wrong?
Gavia said:
This thread seems to be full of Honda Jazz drivers and Deauville riders.
Bikes go up in price shocker! Most things go up in price a lot and it has bugger all to do with PCP, despite the snobs on here claiming it is. Sportsbikes had a list price of £9000 from the moment they were launched until 2008 when the world went into financial meltdown. Since then they’ve risen in price, initially they had a big jump to c£13-15000, then they’ve steadily risen since, more or less in line with inflation. The big jump was a one off market adjustment that was probably needed, but was a surprise.
Why people are amazed about prices a decade on is beyond me and quite bizarre.
No Honda jazz in the fleet at the moment (although my mum has one). I don’t think it’s that bizarre a question when you consider that car prices have not jumped in the same way, even your own reply acknowledges the biggest jump % wise (some 40-50 increase) came from post 08 market correction. I wonder if they sell as many litres of if more people have gone for mid size bikes like the street tripleBikes go up in price shocker! Most things go up in price a lot and it has bugger all to do with PCP, despite the snobs on here claiming it is. Sportsbikes had a list price of £9000 from the moment they were launched until 2008 when the world went into financial meltdown. Since then they’ve risen in price, initially they had a big jump to c£13-15000, then they’ve steadily risen since, more or less in line with inflation. The big jump was a one off market adjustment that was probably needed, but was a surprise.
Why people are amazed about prices a decade on is beyond me and quite bizarre.
I think it's already been said, but £10,000 in 1999 is approximately equal to £16,800 in 2018. (http://inflation.iamkate.com), so presumably that's the bulk of the mystery solved.
With cheap credit also available owing to a fked economy and a phenomenal amount of kit available on new bikes, I'm not convinced finacially there's been a better time to buy a motorcycle if you have the cash. Therein lies the rub however, a "recovering" economy also means that many don't have the expendable income so the perception is things are getting more expensive, but actually many are just getting poorer.
So bikes are the same price and offer more for the money, if you think they're getting more expensive it's probably just because you're being screwed.
Just my two pence of course..
With cheap credit also available owing to a f
ked economy and a phenomenal amount of kit available on new bikes, I'm not convinced finacially there's been a better time to buy a motorcycle if you have the cash. Therein lies the rub however, a "recovering" economy also means that many don't have the expendable income so the perception is things are getting more expensive, but actually many are just getting poorer.So bikes are the same price and offer more for the money, if you think they're getting more expensive it's probably just because you're being screwed.
Just my two pence of course..
Gavia said:
I’ve never done PCP, but why do you think you would be constantly be claiming?
Just thinking that a PCP bike has to be returned in perfect condition thus you'll be having to fix things that you'd normally live with if it wasn't a rental. Many of my bikes have not fared too well from being parked outside.
croyde said:
Just thinking that a PCP bike has to be returned in perfect condition thus you'll be having to fix things that you'd normally live with if it wasn't a rental.
Many of my bikes have not fared too well from being parked outside.
Except they don’t have to be returned in perfect condition, nor do cars. Obviously there will be a limit to what’s acceptable, but there’s no way a contract like you’ve described could be enforced. Many of my bikes have not fared too well from being parked outside.
I think you’re deciding on certain things being true without actually investigating whether that’s the case or not.
Kiwi79 said:
No Honda jazz in the fleet at the moment (although my mum has one). I don’t think it’s that bizarre a question when you consider that car prices have not jumped in the same way, even your own reply acknowledges the biggest jump % wise (some 40-50 increase) came from post 08 market correction. I wonder if they sell as many litres of if more people have gone for mid size bikes like the street triple
Really? In 2002 I bought a BMW 330Ci brand new for £32000, the same car now is nearer £50000. Cars have rocketed in price. The market adjustment was to correct the prior decades’s zero inflation.
The market has changed, as fewer younger riders are coming through (all sorts of reasons for that), so the older riders move to other types of bikes, like nakeds (there are more bikes than Triumphs available), or the huge boom in GS sales following the popularity of The Long Way Round / Down.
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