17k for litre bikes - since when?
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Gavia said:
Except they don’t have to be returned in perfect condition, nor do cars. Obviously there will be a limit to what’s acceptable, but there’s no way a contract like you’ve described could be enforced.
I think you’re deciding on certain things being true without actually investigating whether that’s the case or not.
That's why I came on here to ask, thanks I think you’re deciding on certain things being true without actually investigating whether that’s the case or not.
croyde said:
Gavia said:
Except they don’t have to be returned in perfect condition, nor do cars. Obviously there will be a limit to what’s acceptable, but there’s no way a contract like you’ve described could be enforced.
I think you’re deciding on certain things being true without actually investigating whether that’s the case or not.
That's why I came on here to ask, thanks I think you’re deciding on certain things being true without actually investigating whether that’s the case or not.
boyse7en said:
Gavia said:
You “think” that the worldwide pricing structure of Japanese, Italian and German motorbike manufacturers has been driven by the popularity of PCP in the U.K. Yeah OK.
You "think" that manufacturers have worldwide pricing? Yeah, right...Gavia said:
croyde said:
Just thinking that a PCP bike has to be returned in perfect condition thus you'll be having to fix things that you'd normally live with if it wasn't a rental.
Many of my bikes have not fared too well from being parked outside.
Except they don’t have to be returned in perfect condition, nor do cars. Obviously there will be a limit to what’s acceptable, but there’s no way a contract like you’ve described could be enforced. Many of my bikes have not fared too well from being parked outside.
Gavia said:
Why’ve you got disc brakes? Or fuel injection? Or the extra 100cc? And all the other stuff the 2007 model had over the 1997 model? The older model was perfectly safe.
In fact why’ve you bought a Japanaese bike, what’s wrong with those good old British bikes with hand gearshifts?
An H2R is £50,000 btw and not road legal
What you really mean, is you can’t afford anything better, so pretend to look down your nose at others who can, when the reality is that you’re consumed with envy.
You don't know me. I can afford them if I wanted them. I'm not looking down my nose at anyone. Wind your neck in.In fact why’ve you bought a Japanaese bike, what’s wrong with those good old British bikes with hand gearshifts?
An H2R is £50,000 btw and not road legal
What you really mean, is you can’t afford anything better, so pretend to look down your nose at others who can, when the reality is that you’re consumed with envy.
CaptainSlow said:
If the contract stated it had to be returned in perfect condition the contract could be enforced. However, the contracts don't state that and allow fair wear and tear.
It couldn’t as it would be unreasonable amd easily overturned with a challenge in court. A vehicle can not be expected to be perfect, whilst having and allowed amount of miles to be covered each year. Would the whole engine and other aspects need dismantling and replacing with brand new parts?Unenforceable due to being unreasonable.
anonymous said:
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That's a fair point, I haven't ridden them and I'm happy to concede that they could be amazing. I reckon that my safety could be improved more with better observation than more 'stuff' but you're right, it could help.I think it's a shame that prices are so high because of a lot of this stuff but you're right though, each to their own.
Personally I'd still prefer it if they knocked out bike with less stuff on them for less money.
Gavia said:
CaptainSlow said:
If the contract stated it had to be returned in perfect condition the contract could be enforced. However, the contracts don't state that and allow fair wear and tear.
It couldn’t as it would be unreasonable amd easily overturned with a challenge in court. A vehicle can not be expected to be perfect, whilst having and allowed amount of miles to be covered each year. Would the whole engine and other aspects need dismantling and replacing with brand new parts?Unenforceable due to being unreasonable.
croyde said:
All cars and bikes with added electrotrickery will be a nightmare to look after 10 years down the line.
Maybe although they did say that about a lot of car stuff. Having maintained my own cars since I could drive I've not found that to be the case although all cars are different. I did have a GS1150 with canbus and that was a huge pain in the arse and did random s
t depending on the weather... horn going off randomly in rush hour traffic on the m4... superb.Dave Hedgehog said:
deliberatly created with quantative easing
someone has to pay the bank dept of, easiest way is to devalue a currency 30% and stiff the working people
Bingo! Central banks have been printing for 10 years, leading to an asset boom much discussed on Pistnheads. Now that the Fed is winding back QE and the ECB likely to follow. US rates now rising to 2%, but the global recovery has been built on consumer debt not productivity growth, so what are rate increases are going to do to consumption? The next bust is going to be big and governments are not going to have the ammo to fight it. someone has to pay the bank dept of, easiest way is to devalue a currency 30% and stiff the working people
In the meantime buy a cool bike on low PCP and enjoy the thing for goodness sake!
Dave Hedgehog said:
deliberatly created with quantative easing
someone has to pay the bank dept of, easiest way is to devalue a currency 30% and stiff the working people
debt. off.someone has to pay the bank dept of, easiest way is to devalue a currency 30% and stiff the working people
If you're going to pontificate at least try and look like you have some basic intelligence.
Edited by Pothole on Thursday 14th June 12:00
Pothole said:
Dave Hedgehog said:
deliberatly created with quantative easing
someone has to pay the bank dept of, easiest way is to devalue a currency 30% and stiff the working people
debt. off.someone has to pay the bank dept of, easiest way is to devalue a currency 30% and stiff the working people
If you're going to pontificate at least try and look like you have some basic intelligence.
Edited by Pothole on Thursday 14th June 12:00
It adds zero value to the matter being debated and makes you come across as a total fud.
neelyp said:
Your picking up people for basic spelling mistakes really gets on my tits.
It adds zero value to the matter being debated and makes you come across as a total fud.
I agree, its completey unnesseray but it must make him feel better as the marjority of his posts are the same.It adds zero value to the matter being debated and makes you come across as a total fud.
CaptainSlow said:
If the contract stated it had to be returned in perfect condition then it is perfectly enforceable and would not be overturned.
Defining perfect would be very difficult. If it means as it left the factory then expecting that whilst allowing for an amount of miles each year is unreasonable. dern said:
You don't know me. I can afford them if I wanted them. I'm not looking down my nose at anyone. Wind your neck in.
Then why wrote it in such a way. You’ve dismissed all modern features on a bike whilst declaring yours to be perfect, yet it co gains many modern features. Also you dismiss PCP users too. Not all debt is bad and if people choose not to tie capital up in a depreciating asset then that makes sense to many.
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