Two finger shifting and braking- DAS Mod 1 & 2
Discussion
308mate said:
I actually don’t know how many I use on either lever. I would have to go down stairs and sit on the bike to find out what I naturally do. I know for a fact it isn’t four though, don’t need it.
Same here. Only thing I can think of is if it's light braking maybe only 2 fingers if it's a OH s
t moment maybe both hands lol pozi said:
Hence back when I was instructing we always used to tell pupils we would train them to pass the test, then to come back after and we would train them to ride a motorbike.
Sensible and what my instructor did. It was a huge change after passing as at the time they would not teach to filter. Which as everyone know's is a big part of riding. Well it is for me Four fingers for your test. Two fingers afterwards, both on the lever and to anyone who says otherwise.
It allows better control of the bike as you aren't effectively controlling the steering inputs on one side with just the friction of your thumb pad.
It makes fk all negative difference to braking either. I'd also be pretty confident it reduces stopping distances, as it's easier to control your inputs.
It allows better control of the bike as you aren't effectively controlling the steering inputs on one side with just the friction of your thumb pad.
It makes f
k all negative difference to braking either. I'd also be pretty confident it reduces stopping distances, as it's easier to control your inputs. Prof Prolapse said:
Four fingers for your test. Two fingers afterwards, both on the lever and to anyone who says otherwise.
It allows better control of the bike as you aren't effectively controlling the steering inputs on one side with just the friction of your thumb pad.
It makes fk all negative difference to braking either. I'd also be pretty confident it reduces stopping distances, as it's easier to control your inputs.
Rossi manages ok using four fingers It allows better control of the bike as you aren't effectively controlling the steering inputs on one side with just the friction of your thumb pad.
It makes f
k all negative difference to braking either. I'd also be pretty confident it reduces stopping distances, as it's easier to control your inputs. 
Echoing what has been said - do what you must to pass the test, then do what works for you afterwards.
You'll end up using as many fingers on the clutch as is comfortable - heavier clutch = more fingers. You'll naturally add more fingers if you start getting sore muscles/tendons in traffic, less otherwise.
BUT the brake is a different matter. I can easily slow/stop the bike with 2 fingers, and in normal road use in many years I don't think I've ever had to do a 'true' full-on emergency stop; hell I could have used just one finger 99% of the time...and frequently do in slow/heavy traffic. But I was recently doing some proper 'stop as fast as you possibly can' exercises, and it was clear that the bike could take more pressure on the lever than I could manage with 2 fingers - I certainly couldn't trigger the ABS. And having compared distances, 4 fingers gave a shorter distance (and could trigger the ABS). All bike dependent of course, but while 2 (or 3) fingers probably gives you enough stopping power 99% of the time, you need to be very sure that you couldn't stop quicker with 4. If you're committed to a 2-finger stop and the ABS isn't triggering, or the tyre isn't squealing, or the back wheel isn't lifting, or whatever else is the limit of your bike then you need more pressure than your 2 fingers are giving you; and that's not something you can easily add/learn in an emergency. If you're happy braking with 2 fingers (after the test) then go for it - but first find a quiet stretch of road and find out how quick the bike can stop with 4 fingers and maximum pressure, and then repeat with 2 and make sure you can match it. Just because 2 fingers are enough for regular riding and 99% of the stops doesn't mean there won't be an occasion where you need to call on that extra 1%...and it's too late to switch habits then.
You'll end up using as many fingers on the clutch as is comfortable - heavier clutch = more fingers. You'll naturally add more fingers if you start getting sore muscles/tendons in traffic, less otherwise.
BUT the brake is a different matter. I can easily slow/stop the bike with 2 fingers, and in normal road use in many years I don't think I've ever had to do a 'true' full-on emergency stop; hell I could have used just one finger 99% of the time...and frequently do in slow/heavy traffic. But I was recently doing some proper 'stop as fast as you possibly can' exercises, and it was clear that the bike could take more pressure on the lever than I could manage with 2 fingers - I certainly couldn't trigger the ABS. And having compared distances, 4 fingers gave a shorter distance (and could trigger the ABS). All bike dependent of course, but while 2 (or 3) fingers probably gives you enough stopping power 99% of the time, you need to be very sure that you couldn't stop quicker with 4. If you're committed to a 2-finger stop and the ABS isn't triggering, or the tyre isn't squealing, or the back wheel isn't lifting, or whatever else is the limit of your bike then you need more pressure than your 2 fingers are giving you; and that's not something you can easily add/learn in an emergency. If you're happy braking with 2 fingers (after the test) then go for it - but first find a quiet stretch of road and find out how quick the bike can stop with 4 fingers and maximum pressure, and then repeat with 2 and make sure you can match it. Just because 2 fingers are enough for regular riding and 99% of the stops doesn't mean there won't be an occasion where you need to call on that extra 1%...and it's too late to switch habits then.
For braking, use your outer thre fingers. This leaves your index finger and thumb around the thottle to execute your rev-matching on downshifts really well. You are doing that, arnt you? You should be. Examiners love rev maching.
For your clutch, just use it for pulling away and coming to a stop. You can upsift without the clutch by banging it into the limiter and using the ignition cut-out of the limiter to lift the laod on the gearbox and snick the next gear home. Just time it carefully. Likewise, going down the 'box, because you're rev matching you can just snick the next gear in.
For your clutch, just use it for pulling away and coming to a stop. You can upsift without the clutch by banging it into the limiter and using the ignition cut-out of the limiter to lift the laod on the gearbox and snick the next gear home. Just time it carefully. Likewise, going down the 'box, because you're rev matching you can just snick the next gear in.
glad to see there's more of us! Pothole said:
Do as you were told after the assessment. That's what it's there for. Pass the test then do as you please.
Alternatively, if you've found this simple concept taxing and burdensome enough to ask some randoms on the internet who will happily give you opinions based on bugger all, please stop trying to learn to ride a bike and go far, far away.
https://sniffpetrol.com/2018/03/28/all-new-ask-a-total-prick-from-an-internet-forum/Alternatively, if you've found this simple concept taxing and burdensome enough to ask some randoms on the internet who will happily give you opinions based on bugger all, please stop trying to learn to ride a bike and go far, far away.
Ahem..
moanthebairns said:
dc2rr07 said:
Rossi manages ok using four fingers
Threedc2rr07 said:
moanthebairns said:
dc2rr07 said:
Rossi manages ok using four fingers
Three308mate said:
dc2rr07 said:
moanthebairns said:
dc2rr07 said:
Rossi manages ok using four fingers
Three looks like four but the small finger is not actually doing anything, I stand corrected 
thatdude said:
For your clutch, just use it for pulling away and coming to a stop. You can upsift without the clutch by banging it into the limiter and using the ignition cut-out of the limiter to lift the laod on the gearbox and snick the next gear home. Just time it carefully. Likewise, going down the 'box, because you're rev matching you can just snick the next gear in.
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