Motorcycle Ultra Low Emission Zone HONDA BLACKBIRD
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I'm very late to the party with this!
I was extremely annoyed about the fact my 2005 Honda Blackbird motorcycle was about to cost me £13.50 to ride into the ULEZ in central London. I spent ages trying to find out what the actual facts and figures were. It appears that if your vehicle was produced before Euro 3 existed then you weren't given a Euro 3 rating because it didn't exist. Even though your motorcycle still meets the Euro 3 standard.
My understanding is the ULEZ goes off of the NOx emitted in grams per kilometres. If your petrol vehicle produces less than 0.15 g/km NOx then technically you are compliant. This is different for diesel cars which is 0.08 (It also brings Particulate matter into account as well).
I looked through my V5 and, due to the age of my bike, no exhaust emissions were printed.
I contacted Honda and received a reply after a lengthy email chain:
My 2005 Honda Blackbird produces (wait for it) 0.075 g/km NOx! So is technically compliant!!!
I have had to request a certificate of conformity from Honda to then submit to TFL for a decision. As I have spent an age on this I rang the TFL to complain about this stealth tax for old vehicles. I asked one question which was if I produce the conformity certificate would that then make all Honda Blackbirds from 2005 exempt. The answer was NO.
This ULEZ is nothing to do with making London's air safer and is everything to do with taxing old vehicles and making people buy new ones.
Sadiq may have good intentions but who ever has advised him has had ulterior motives. I've noticed the manufactures have jumped on board to offer their latest ULEZ compliant vehicles even thought their old ones are compliant!
Any other HONDA BLACKBIRD OWNERS contact me and I'll send you the email address and also the forms you need to get the certificate of conformity.
I was extremely annoyed about the fact my 2005 Honda Blackbird motorcycle was about to cost me £13.50 to ride into the ULEZ in central London. I spent ages trying to find out what the actual facts and figures were. It appears that if your vehicle was produced before Euro 3 existed then you weren't given a Euro 3 rating because it didn't exist. Even though your motorcycle still meets the Euro 3 standard.
My understanding is the ULEZ goes off of the NOx emitted in grams per kilometres. If your petrol vehicle produces less than 0.15 g/km NOx then technically you are compliant. This is different for diesel cars which is 0.08 (It also brings Particulate matter into account as well).
I looked through my V5 and, due to the age of my bike, no exhaust emissions were printed.
I contacted Honda and received a reply after a lengthy email chain:
My 2005 Honda Blackbird produces (wait for it) 0.075 g/km NOx! So is technically compliant!!!
I have had to request a certificate of conformity from Honda to then submit to TFL for a decision. As I have spent an age on this I rang the TFL to complain about this stealth tax for old vehicles. I asked one question which was if I produce the conformity certificate would that then make all Honda Blackbirds from 2005 exempt. The answer was NO.
This ULEZ is nothing to do with making London's air safer and is everything to do with taxing old vehicles and making people buy new ones.
Sadiq may have good intentions but who ever has advised him has had ulterior motives. I've noticed the manufactures have jumped on board to offer their latest ULEZ compliant vehicles even thought their old ones are compliant!
Any other HONDA BLACKBIRD OWNERS contact me and I'll send you the email address and also the forms you need to get the certificate of conformity.
Hi, I am / was in the same position. I have a 2005 Blackbird and also found that I was going to have to pay the money or get a new bike which was not ideal!! Great news about the fact that we can now show that the bike (hopefully) conforms and is exempt! Saw on a Facebook post that the Motorcycle Action Group have agreement from the Mayor that if we can show the bike is below the NOx level we don't have to pay!!
Would you be able to share the contact details for Honda?
Would you be able to share the contact details for Honda?
m200skn said:
Would you be able to share the contact details for Honda?
CertificateofConformity@honda-eu.comSend them your VIN and home address, they'll send you the CoC. All free, unlike some other manufacturers.
My carburetted POS came in just over the NOx limit. Their use of emissions based on lab testing is rather frustrating; I find it hard to believe that other vehicles achieve anything like the claimed values when stuck in stop-start traffic, and suspect bikes would generally be far, far closer to their stated values.
I fixed this two ways firstly I traded my 2006 Blackbird for a 2011 Speed Triple in Feb 2016, secondly and subsequently I moved out of London in August 2018 for family reasons which has fixed the problem.
What a load of bother OP and each and every person has to do the same individually to get an 'exception'
What a load of bother OP and each and every person has to do the same individually to get an 'exception'
I've just had to obtain a CoC showing my 0.038 NOx emissions from BMW (for £120) for my 2005 1200 GS. Today, I sent this, along with a copy of my V5 to TFL who told me they would then add my bike to their list of exempt vehicles. This is despite 2 other people I know with the same bike (and reg. year) also having just done this exercise. TFL want the individual CoC with the bike's own chassis number clearly shown.....
Given it would otherwise cost £62.50 a week, or require a new bike, I thought £120 wasn't too bad a price to pay. Shame BMW are charging for this if Honda are offering the service for free though.
Given it would otherwise cost £62.50 a week, or require a new bike, I thought £120 wasn't too bad a price to pay. Shame BMW are charging for this if Honda are offering the service for free though.
The annoying thing is that DVLA do actually have the NOx figures as part for the EU CoC process completed on anything after 2002.
If you try and register a car/bike from abroad produced from 2002 owards, this info and the certificate is compulsory.
As is often the case, the ULEZ is a good idea in principle, but it's really annoying that petrol cars / bikes have to suffer for the damage that diesels have done.
Walk down any street in Soho in the summer and the pollution is awful. Usually from the black Taxi Mafioso, sitting nose to tail with their engines running..
Looking forward to riding my H2 750 two stroke through the big smoke in the spring. No (income) tax, no MOT... No money back or ULEZ either.
If you try and register a car/bike from abroad produced from 2002 owards, this info and the certificate is compulsory.
As is often the case, the ULEZ is a good idea in principle, but it's really annoying that petrol cars / bikes have to suffer for the damage that diesels have done.
Walk down any street in Soho in the summer and the pollution is awful. Usually from the black Taxi Mafioso, sitting nose to tail with their engines running..
Looking forward to riding my H2 750 two stroke through the big smoke in the spring. No (income) tax, no MOT... No money back or ULEZ either.
CousinDupree said:
Walk down any street in Soho in the summer and the pollution is awful. Usually from the black Taxi Mafioso, sitting nose to tail with their engines running..
Black cabs think they own all the roads inside the M25.....Most of them have either exemptions, or longer time periods over which to adapt their vehicles, which is strange given the amount of time they spend in the affected zone and the (lack of) efficiency of their poorly maintained engines. Same with buses.
What a TFL joke.
TheInternet said:
m200skn said:
Would you be able to share the contact details for Honda?
CertificateofConformity@honda-eu.comSend them your VIN and home address, they'll send you the CoC. All free, unlike some other manufacturers.
My carburetted POS came in just over the NOx limit. Their use of emissions based on lab testing is rather frustrating; I find it hard to believe that other vehicles achieve anything like the claimed values when stuck in stop-start traffic, and suspect bikes would generally be far, far closer to their stated values.
So what happens if you sell your bike then?
I assume the exemption stays with the vehicle and as such it's worth more?
If you are thinking of selling your bike would it not be an idea to get ULEZ compliance (even if you don't need it) so that it makes it more 'valuable' to sell? It would make sense that any future ULEZ areas around the country use the TFL thresholds and data so this, going forward, isn't just a London / South East issue.
I assume the exemption stays with the vehicle and as such it's worth more?
If you are thinking of selling your bike would it not be an idea to get ULEZ compliance (even if you don't need it) so that it makes it more 'valuable' to sell? It would make sense that any future ULEZ areas around the country use the TFL thresholds and data so this, going forward, isn't just a London / South East issue.
moto_traxport said:
So what happens if you sell your bike then?
I assume the exemption stays with the vehicle and as such it's worth more?
If you are thinking of selling your bike would it not be an idea to get ULEZ compliance (even if you don't need it) so that it makes it more 'valuable' to sell? It would make sense that any future ULEZ areas around the country use the TFL thresholds and data so this, going forward, isn't just a London / South East issue.
Yes, surely it will just match the number plate.I assume the exemption stays with the vehicle and as such it's worth more?
If you are thinking of selling your bike would it not be an idea to get ULEZ compliance (even if you don't need it) so that it makes it more 'valuable' to sell? It would make sense that any future ULEZ areas around the country use the TFL thresholds and data so this, going forward, isn't just a London / South East issue.
A freedom of information request submitted to the DVLA to confirm that they do actually have the NOx figures for vehicles after 2002, would be useful.
Then a petition to get our useless Mayor to use the information to charge the offending vehicles only.
Contacted Yamaha today to see if my 2003 FZ1 commuter is OK. Their replay, happy days and many thanks for the heads up OP
Good Afternoon,
Thank you for your enquiry.
We can advise that your machine meets Euro 1 and had a NOx output of 0.09(g/km).
A Certificate of conformity is available to confirm this the procedure as follows below.
To produce a Certificate of Conformity we would however ask you to be kind enough to e-mail the following:
1) Name (supplied in previous email)
2) Full postal address (supplied in previous email)
3) Daytime telephone number (supplied in previous email)
4) A photograph of the VIN/Chassis Number stamped into the frame of the machine (VIN sticker is not valid for identification)
5) A photograph of the Engine Number which will be visible on the engine casing.
Once we have the above information, we should be in a position to produce a Certificate of Conformity.
May we also advise that an administration fee per unit of £60 (inc VAT) is applicable and may be paid by either debit or credit card. Due to the number of Dating Letter requests received, we are currently taking an average of 4-5 weeks once all information has been received to produce the letter and therefore will wait until we have produced a draft of the letter before contacting you by telephone to take your card payment.
We once again thank you for contacting us and trust that the above information will be of assistance.
Kind Regards
Katie Nash
Customer Service Co-ordinator
Sales Support Division
YAMAHA MOTOR EUROPE N.V., BRANCH UK
Units A2-A3, Kingswey Business Park,
Forsyth Road, Woking, SY. GU21 5SA
United Kingdom
Telephone +44(0)1932 358042
www.yamaha-motor.eu/uk
Good Afternoon,
Thank you for your enquiry.
We can advise that your machine meets Euro 1 and had a NOx output of 0.09(g/km).
A Certificate of conformity is available to confirm this the procedure as follows below.
To produce a Certificate of Conformity we would however ask you to be kind enough to e-mail the following:
1) Name (supplied in previous email)
2) Full postal address (supplied in previous email)
3) Daytime telephone number (supplied in previous email)
4) A photograph of the VIN/Chassis Number stamped into the frame of the machine (VIN sticker is not valid for identification)
5) A photograph of the Engine Number which will be visible on the engine casing.
Once we have the above information, we should be in a position to produce a Certificate of Conformity.
May we also advise that an administration fee per unit of £60 (inc VAT) is applicable and may be paid by either debit or credit card. Due to the number of Dating Letter requests received, we are currently taking an average of 4-5 weeks once all information has been received to produce the letter and therefore will wait until we have produced a draft of the letter before contacting you by telephone to take your card payment.
We once again thank you for contacting us and trust that the above information will be of assistance.
Kind Regards
Katie Nash
Customer Service Co-ordinator
Sales Support Division
YAMAHA MOTOR EUROPE N.V., BRANCH UK
Units A2-A3, Kingswey Business Park,
Forsyth Road, Woking, SY. GU21 5SA
United Kingdom
Telephone +44(0)1932 358042
www.yamaha-motor.eu/uk
I know this is about bikes. Both mine are OK but does anyone know if the same can be done about cars?
I bought my e36 BMW back in 1998 and it won't be allowed in without paying up as of this year and when they extend the ULEZ in 2021 I'll be feked.
Obviously built before any Euro type emissions test but it'll be interesting to find out if it is below the NOx limit.
I bought my e36 BMW back in 1998 and it won't be allowed in without paying up as of this year and when they extend the ULEZ in 2021 I'll be feked.
Obviously built before any Euro type emissions test but it'll be interesting to find out if it is below the NOx limit.
Contact details for CoC for all manufacturers: https://wiki.mag-uk.org/images/f/fd/How_to_get_Cer...
The ULEZ is just another excuse if it were needed to never go to the s
tehole that is London! And in 2 years it will be right out to the North Circular! Laughable.
Going to O2 later this month and they want £28 to park there for a 3 hour concert! Outside CC zone, but if you have to go through it en route, that's another chunk of money. 4 of us travelling, so it will be £100 in the car or about £140 on the train etc. Ridiculous for what is a 50 mile journey each way.
I wonder what tax they will dream up next once they have taxed all the vehicles they made us buy by taxing the other stuff off the roads 10 years ago?
Meanwhile in China...……..
tehole that is London! And in 2 years it will be right out to the North Circular! Laughable. Going to O2 later this month and they want £28 to park there for a 3 hour concert! Outside CC zone, but if you have to go through it en route, that's another chunk of money. 4 of us travelling, so it will be £100 in the car or about £140 on the train etc. Ridiculous for what is a 50 mile journey each way.
I wonder what tax they will dream up next once they have taxed all the vehicles they made us buy by taxing the other stuff off the roads 10 years ago?
Meanwhile in China...……..
fergus said:
I've just had to obtain a CoC showing my 0.038 NOx emissions from BMW (for £120) for my 2005 1200 GS. Today, I sent this, along with a copy of my V5 to TFL who told me they would then add my bike to their list of exempt vehicles. This is despite 2 other people I know with the same bike (and reg. year) also having just done this exercise. TFL want the individual CoC with the bike's own chassis number clearly shown.....
Given it would otherwise cost £62.50 a week, or require a new bike, I thought £120 wasn't too bad a price to pay. Shame BMW are charging for this if Honda are offering the service for free though.
Hi, Given it would otherwise cost £62.50 a week, or require a new bike, I thought £120 wasn't too bad a price to pay. Shame BMW are charging for this if Honda are offering the service for free though.
Do you have the address at TFL that handles this? Also, is a copy of the CoC document sufficient/
Cheers.
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