Silverstone bumps
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I guess the original point was I read an article quoting Ricciardo saying the MotoGP guys are't going to like this, and then read it and found out?
They complained about bumps last time and this time the track was finished a few weeks ago and there are bumps already despite it being fairly mild?
Is that not something worth pointing out?
Fair enough I was wrong about the race being cancelled because of it, but the riders WERE already talking a lot about the bumpy surface before that, which is probably why there were so keen to not race there when it got wet too, it got them going. Started the revolt.
All tracks have bumps yes, but do we always hear riders talking about them? No, but that weekend they did, or I would not have raised it!
It hasn't been done on purpose, obviously, but you have to ask why it happens all the time there, compared to other tracks that host both series like Catalunya. Sepang wasn't bumpy?
Actually there is a point, not many tracks host both, so maybe it's time to not do so!
They complained about bumps last time and this time the track was finished a few weeks ago and there are bumps already despite it being fairly mild?
Is that not something worth pointing out?
Fair enough I was wrong about the race being cancelled because of it, but the riders WERE already talking a lot about the bumpy surface before that, which is probably why there were so keen to not race there when it got wet too, it got them going. Started the revolt.
All tracks have bumps yes, but do we always hear riders talking about them? No, but that weekend they did, or I would not have raised it!
It hasn't been done on purpose, obviously, but you have to ask why it happens all the time there, compared to other tracks that host both series like Catalunya. Sepang wasn't bumpy?
Actually there is a point, not many tracks host both, so maybe it's time to not do so!
fergus said:
chunder27 said:
Suggesting either an inherent problem with the Silverstone circuit in areas, or more likely the same company made errors again?
I believe that's unlikely, as Silverstone swapped contractors to lay the 2nd round of tarmac this year.chunder27 said:
I guess the original point was I read an article quoting Ricciardo saying the MotoGP guys are't going to like this, and then read it and found out?
They complained about bumps last time and this time the track was finished a few weeks ago and there are bumps already despite it being fairly mild?
Is that not something worth pointing out?
Fair enough I was wrong about the race being cancelled because of it, but the riders WERE already talking a lot about the bumpy surface before that, which is probably why there were so keen to not race there when it got wet too, it got them going. Started the revolt.
All tracks have bumps yes, but do we always hear riders talking about them? No, but that weekend they did, or I would not have raised it!
It hasn't been done on purpose, obviously, but you have to ask why it happens all the time there, compared to other tracks that host both series like Catalunya. Sepang wasn't bumpy?
Actually there is a point, not many tracks host both, so maybe it's time to not do so!
You’re still overplaying it though. Silverstone wasn’t and isn’t a track that’s got bumps on every inch of it. It might have a few in a couple of places. All tracks have this and all riders complain about those little pockets of bumps at every track. They complained about bumps last time and this time the track was finished a few weeks ago and there are bumps already despite it being fairly mild?
Is that not something worth pointing out?
Fair enough I was wrong about the race being cancelled because of it, but the riders WERE already talking a lot about the bumpy surface before that, which is probably why there were so keen to not race there when it got wet too, it got them going. Started the revolt.
All tracks have bumps yes, but do we always hear riders talking about them? No, but that weekend they did, or I would not have raised it!
It hasn't been done on purpose, obviously, but you have to ask why it happens all the time there, compared to other tracks that host both series like Catalunya. Sepang wasn't bumpy?
Actually there is a point, not many tracks host both, so maybe it's time to not do so!
Look at the mess they made of COTA last year trying to grind them off, or the slo mos that you see of the front end chatter at every round.
The company that did the resurfacing were very fortunate that it actually pissed it down whilst doing the job. This lead to a few tweeks to the original plan.
The bumps from F1 will be gone by the time of Brit bike Gp, and the material used has been specifically for Silverstone. There are not that many tracks that get 2 premier events a year, and then are pretty much in use the whole round.
Silverstone know the last job was pants, which is why , this time, the best in the world were called in.
Also, before the job started, there were approx 200 metres of test surfacing done on the old exit of Bridge. This test was heavily core sampled afterwards to ensure the thinking for spec was on target.
I think there will be a new lap record fro Bikes this year, and I keep my fingers crossed that the F1 circus dont create more ripples.
Stuart Pringle has pretty much put his job on the line in getting this right.
Love or hate the place, its where the Motogp is hosted.
Want to watch your heroes for real in the UK ?
Then its the only deal in town.
Other countries/venues are available.
The bumps from F1 will be gone by the time of Brit bike Gp, and the material used has been specifically for Silverstone. There are not that many tracks that get 2 premier events a year, and then are pretty much in use the whole round.
Silverstone know the last job was pants, which is why , this time, the best in the world were called in.
Also, before the job started, there were approx 200 metres of test surfacing done on the old exit of Bridge. This test was heavily core sampled afterwards to ensure the thinking for spec was on target.
I think there will be a new lap record fro Bikes this year, and I keep my fingers crossed that the F1 circus dont create more ripples.
Stuart Pringle has pretty much put his job on the line in getting this right.
Love or hate the place, its where the Motogp is hosted.
Want to watch your heroes for real in the UK ?
Then its the only deal in town.
Other countries/venues are available.
MotoGP at Croft!, lol I would put Cadwell forward!
In my eyes Croft was not only a great challenge but the only track in the North East BSB went to, and they go to Assen instead? WTF.
But they are Superbikes, far more able to deal with bumps, or should be.
I don't doubt Silverstone are doing the best they can, as are the new company, but they must be dismayed!
In my eyes Croft was not only a great challenge but the only track in the North East BSB went to, and they go to Assen instead? WTF.
But they are Superbikes, far more able to deal with bumps, or should be.
I don't doubt Silverstone are doing the best they can, as are the new company, but they must be dismayed!
chunder27 said:
I don't doubt Silverstone are doing the best they can, as are the new company, but they must be dismayed!
I doubt it, every big job has some form of snagging afterwards......In fact, they admitted that time was tight fro the F1 dealine and expected to have a few snags to resolve.
Vlad the Imp said:
Turn7 said:
I think there will be a new lap record fro Bikes this year, and I keep my fingers crossed that the F1 circus dont create more ripples.
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The F1 didn’t create any ripples, the surfacing material used this time is very different from the one laid last year..
dibblecorse said:
the tribester said:
The company laying the new surface said that they were removing the top surface and therefore the old bumps too, and re-laying. He said that running F1 before MotoGP isn't an issue, as the new material would prevent the bumps forming.
I could only picture in my mind, the F1 cars standing on the brakes, in the recent heat, and pushing the tarmac into ridges like a rolling pin.
We'll have to wait until the MotoGP boys get there and see what they say.
No need, I'm there in a couple of weeks and will report back then ... I'm only a % off MotoGP times .... a large % but a % none the less !!!I could only picture in my mind, the F1 cars standing on the brakes, in the recent heat, and pushing the tarmac into ridges like a rolling pin.
We'll have to wait until the MotoGP boys get there and see what they say.
chunder27 said:
I guess the original point was I read an article quoting Ricciardo saying the MotoGP guys are't going to like this, and then read it and found out?
They complained about bumps last time and this time the track was finished a few weeks ago and there are bumps already despite it being fairly mild?
Is that not something worth pointing out?
Fair enough I was wrong about the race being cancelled because of it, but the riders WERE already talking a lot about the bumpy surface before that, which is probably why there were so keen to not race there when it got wet too, it got them going. Started the revolt.
All tracks have bumps yes, but do we always hear riders talking about them? No, but that weekend they did, or I would not have raised it!
It hasn't been done on purpose, obviously, but you have to ask why it happens all the time there, compared to other tracks that host both series like Catalunya. Sepang wasn't bumpy?
Actually there is a point, not many tracks host both, so maybe it's time to not do so!
It's worth remembering that F1 drivers will moan about anything and everything to help mask their own under performance. It's very rare that you hear the winners moaning.They complained about bumps last time and this time the track was finished a few weeks ago and there are bumps already despite it being fairly mild?
Is that not something worth pointing out?
Fair enough I was wrong about the race being cancelled because of it, but the riders WERE already talking a lot about the bumpy surface before that, which is probably why there were so keen to not race there when it got wet too, it got them going. Started the revolt.
All tracks have bumps yes, but do we always hear riders talking about them? No, but that weekend they did, or I would not have raised it!
It hasn't been done on purpose, obviously, but you have to ask why it happens all the time there, compared to other tracks that host both series like Catalunya. Sepang wasn't bumpy?
Actually there is a point, not many tracks host both, so maybe it's time to not do so!
I've heard the track is good for bikes from people that have already done lots of laps on the new surface, and I'm back there Tuesday so I'll make my own mind up then
What does that matter?
As you probably know I don't ride a bike, to much hilarity from the knee draggers and race can twerps on here.
But the ones I have been to are a mixed bag of utter novices, try hards and genuinely good riders.
So I would expect the last group would notice bumps and stuff yes and find them a problem, as would anyone on track, but as for pushing a bike to the level a GP rider might, I think even you might be flattering yourself.
As you probably know I don't ride a bike, to much hilarity from the knee draggers and race can twerps on here.
But the ones I have been to are a mixed bag of utter novices, try hards and genuinely good riders.
So I would expect the last group would notice bumps and stuff yes and find them a problem, as would anyone on track, but as for pushing a bike to the level a GP rider might, I think even you might be flattering yourself.
chunder27 said:
What does that matter?
As you probably know I don't ride a bike, to much hilarity from the knee draggers and race can twerps on here.
But the ones I have been to are a mixed bag of utter novices, try hards and genuinely good riders.
So I would expect the last group would notice bumps and stuff yes and find them a problem, as would anyone on track, but as for pushing a bike to the level a GP rider might, I think even you might be flattering yourself.
Oh how little you know ....As you probably know I don't ride a bike, to much hilarity from the knee draggers and race can twerps on here.
But the ones I have been to are a mixed bag of utter novices, try hards and genuinely good riders.
So I would expect the last group would notice bumps and stuff yes and find them a problem, as would anyone on track, but as for pushing a bike to the level a GP rider might, I think even you might be flattering yourself.
Fast or slow the bumps are relevant for very different reasons but I really can't be arsed to explain it.
What you may 'expect' and what people experience in the real world are very different things, lets change the question then, you don't ride, thats cool, so how much time have you spent on track as a car driver to build this insight that you have into vehicle behaviour on circuit as affected by bumps / ripple etc ?
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