Question about exploiting sportsbike performance
Discussion
Birky_41 said:
Yes most Sundays and a night in the week, typically Tuesday or Wednesday on a bike night
Great, could probably do next Sunday morning.I’m giving some serious thought to selling my bike at the moment, as much as I want to love it as much as I did my Aprilia, I just don’t, really thinking of getting rid and getting another RSV4.
Talking about the OP's main point, exploiting sportsbike performance, well for those who may be interested in going very quickly without going to jail or losing your licence, a track day bike makes a lot of sense in this age of speed humps, cameras, unmarked police cars and ever-increasing mass population explosion, along with a related increased number of vehicles wanting the same bit of road space as us.
I bought my 2004 Suzuki GSXR600 as a write-off for £1,500. Within a month, the things needed to make it safe were done and it no longer had lights (except for a stop light), mirrors, turn sigmals and the smashed instruments were ditched for a simple rev counter. What we could drill got drilled to save weight, the bashed exhaust got swapped for a lightweight one and the engine was given some hot cams, a gas-flowed head and then set up on a dyno. Sticky tyres completed the job.
It was still not overly powerful, with 119.7 bhp at the rear wheel but the circa 145 kgs it had to move (plus rider) was overcome easily once the revs had passed 6,000 rpm. Not a great deal happened due to the cams mainly until that point, but the kick around 6k rpm then the further hit about 10,500 rpm was addictive. The rev limter was set at 15,000 rpm which it happily reached in the first 5 gears on track. We gave it lower gearing after a while but ended up going back to standard.
That's the best way to do what the OP was asking about! Get another bike and put it on 'roads' that are one-way, have very little or no wildlife running around, no speed limits, no speed humps, no coppers, run-off areas on all corners rather than a sports shop or chemist window, plus there's always medical help there if you do screw up.
That Gixxer was a great bike.
I bought my 2004 Suzuki GSXR600 as a write-off for £1,500. Within a month, the things needed to make it safe were done and it no longer had lights (except for a stop light), mirrors, turn sigmals and the smashed instruments were ditched for a simple rev counter. What we could drill got drilled to save weight, the bashed exhaust got swapped for a lightweight one and the engine was given some hot cams, a gas-flowed head and then set up on a dyno. Sticky tyres completed the job.
It was still not overly powerful, with 119.7 bhp at the rear wheel but the circa 145 kgs it had to move (plus rider) was overcome easily once the revs had passed 6,000 rpm. Not a great deal happened due to the cams mainly until that point, but the kick around 6k rpm then the further hit about 10,500 rpm was addictive. The rev limter was set at 15,000 rpm which it happily reached in the first 5 gears on track. We gave it lower gearing after a while but ended up going back to standard.
That's the best way to do what the OP was asking about! Get another bike and put it on 'roads' that are one-way, have very little or no wildlife running around, no speed limits, no speed humps, no coppers, run-off areas on all corners rather than a sports shop or chemist window, plus there's always medical help there if you do screw up.
That Gixxer was a great bike.
yonex said:
Why don’t you stick your own up as you’re desperate to prove how much faster you are?
You keep making this up. I have no interest in discussing how fast or slow I am. It’s got nothing to do with that. Your mate Grindle posted about how he was a half decent racer and set some good times on UK circuits. I’m just asking him to back it up, as otherwise I think his opinions are worthless, as he’s a Walt. So you can now stop making up things about what I want, as I didn’t mention I raced, you were the one who did.
I made my point about whether it was possible to exploit a sportsbike on the road fairly early on in the thread and then repeated it yesterday. It is possible, but only for short(ish) bursts. The definition of short will vary, but there are many roads that aren’t congested and allow it. The risk of being caught is minimal, but the co sequences severe if you are, so that moderates me and probably many others.
Clear enough, or would you prefer to make something else up?
Might it be possible that ....
1) you can exploit a superbike on the road. It will be when the moment is right. Which by definition will be less frequently than something with lesser power? So you certainly can exploit it as long as you’re comfortable registering some big numbers and can wait for the opportunities.
2) something grunty but will less outright power can be exploited more often and in some / many situations will be as quick as anything else (so many other factors limit speed on the road).
How the f
k does that become a pissing contest?
1) you can exploit a superbike on the road. It will be when the moment is right. Which by definition will be less frequently than something with lesser power? So you certainly can exploit it as long as you’re comfortable registering some big numbers and can wait for the opportunities.
2) something grunty but will less outright power can be exploited more often and in some / many situations will be as quick as anything else (so many other factors limit speed on the road).
How the f
k does that become a pissing contest?Lindun said:
You keep making this up. I have no interest in discussing how fast or slow I am. It’s got nothing to do with that. Your mate Grindle posted about how he was a half decent racer and set some good times on UK circuits. I’m just asking him to back it up, as otherwise I think his opinions are worthless, as he’s a Walt.
So you can now stop making up things about what I want, as I didn’t mention I raced, you were the one who did.
I made my point about whether it was possible to exploit a sportsbike on the road fairly early on in the thread and then repeated it yesterday. It is possible, but only for short(ish) bursts. The definition of short will vary, but there are many roads that aren’t congested and allow it. The risk of being caught is minimal, but the co sequences severe if you are, so that moderates me and probably many others.
Clear enough, or would you prefer to make something else up?
Post up your lap times or STFU. So you can now stop making up things about what I want, as I didn’t mention I raced, you were the one who did.
I made my point about whether it was possible to exploit a sportsbike on the road fairly early on in the thread and then repeated it yesterday. It is possible, but only for short(ish) bursts. The definition of short will vary, but there are many roads that aren’t congested and allow it. The risk of being caught is minimal, but the co sequences severe if you are, so that moderates me and probably many others.
Clear enough, or would you prefer to make something else up?
HTH
yonex said:
Nope. But if you're calling someone out....
Pick your last three races. Unless you're a test rider, then just add a few tenths so that the other factory teams don't get wind of all this.
Ok this will be a long post. Pick your last three races. Unless you're a test rider, then just add a few tenths so that the other factory teams don't get wind of all this.
Cadwell: it rained
2:02.466 1:44.459 1:44.148 1:44.332 1:44.424 1:43.007 1:43.253 1:43.256 1:42.142 1:42.915 1:41.863 (1) 1:43.234 1:42.506 1:42.494 1:42.581 1:42.692 1:43.396 1:43.937 1:45.322 1:44.047 1:42.672 1:42.785 1:42.785 1:43.231 1:44.154 1:42.983 2:12.736 1:58.712 1:59.085 1:57.549 1:55.607 1:57.854 1:55.860 1:52.921 1:53.839 1:52.855 1:52.414 1:54.986 1:55.449 1:50.539 1:51.457 1:52.214 1:52.443 1:52.167 1:51.493 1:51.345 1:50.259 1:48.981 1:50.768 1:49.555 1:49.257 1:49.331
Anglesey: dry
2:05.802 1:38.463 1:38.765 1:43.714 1:37.346 1:39.304 1:37.499 1:37.333 1:36.650 1:36.865 1:37.104 1:37.034 1:38.862 1:37.098 1:37.533 1:37.325 1:38.714 1:36.729 1:36.153 1:37.168 1:36.958 1:37.016 1:37.338 1:37.319 1:37.108 1:39.498 2:02.359 1:37.750 1:38.843 1:37.304 1:38.286 1:37.775 1:36.938 1:36.522 1:36.404 1:37.177 1:38.726 1:36.743 1:36.800 1:36.213 1:36.999 1:36.981 1:37.943 1:39.224 1:38.058 1:37.650 1:38.970 1:36.472 1:36.327 1:37.442 1:37.285 1:38.229 2:01.819 1:38.923 1:36.308 1:35.519 1:35.493 1:34.373 (1) 1:34.987 1:35.952 1:35.809 1:35.860 1:35.338 1:35.141 1:34.647 1:36.284 1:36.289 1:36.097 1:36.238 1:36.213 1:35.729 1:35.718 1:38.861 1:36.201 1:35.949 1:37.062 1:37.915 1:59:860 1:35.795 1:37.043 1:37.261 1:36.292 1:36.561 1:35.828 1:35.855 1:37.687 1:37.179 1:35.974 1:36.377 1:36.133 1:36.539 1:39.003 1:37.424 1:39.529 1:37.678 1:38.207 1:40.702 1:38.782 1:39.028 1:39.610 1:38.342 1:40.866
Snetterton: dry
13.470 2:02.392 (2) 2:02.730 2:03.177 2:02.291 (1) 2:02.828 2:03.229 2:03.304 2:04.336 2:05.561 2:05.910 2:04.030 2:04.805 2:02.944 2:03.689 2:37.914 2::07.209 2:02.992 2:03.844 2:03.668 2:04.104 2:04.174 2:03.818 2:05.528 2:04.697 2:06.606 2:05.523 2:04.944 2:05.577 2:02.697 2:04.513 2:36.361
Happy? Not sure what it proves though, as I haven’t mentioned my racing. You did. I queried Grindle, as he posts things that a racer is unlikely to.
Maybe you could post the BSB times to show how s
t I am, and I accept that. Hungrymc said:
Might it be possible that ....
1) you can exploit a superbike on the road. It will be when the moment is right. Which by definition will be less frequently than something with lesser power? So you certainly can exploit it as long as you’re comfortable registering some big numbers and can wait for the opportunities.
2) something grunty but will less outright power can be exploited more often and in some / many situations will be as quick as anything else (so many other factors limit speed on the road).
How the fk does that become a pissing contest?
It's solely that.1) you can exploit a superbike on the road. It will be when the moment is right. Which by definition will be less frequently than something with lesser power? So you certainly can exploit it as long as you’re comfortable registering some big numbers and can wait for the opportunities.
2) something grunty but will less outright power can be exploited more often and in some / many situations will be as quick as anything else (so many other factors limit speed on the road).
How the f
k does that become a pissing contest?Within 5 seconds any modern litre bike will see you in trouble.
Walter Sobchak said:
Great, could probably do next Sunday morning.
I’m giving some serious thought to selling my bike at the moment, as much as I want to love it as much as I did my Aprilia, I just don’t, really thinking of getting rid and getting another RSV4.
No good saying that to me. I'm on my 5th Aprilia and have a soft spot for themI’m giving some serious thought to selling my bike at the moment, as much as I want to love it as much as I did my Aprilia, I just don’t, really thinking of getting rid and getting another RSV4.
Ridden my gsxr less than 1000 miles this year and done 2 tracks vs my tuono on 6000 miles in 5 months
I could do next Sunday but would be a 7.30 start done by 10 as I'm working. Think I could drag Piginawig on that one as he'll be working too
I'm not getting in that debate you two are having but to be low 2 min at snett on a 600 is a good pace for most mere mortals. I'm no road racer I just track since '16 but have many years mx back ground
I recently did cadwell and have done snett a few times. Your times would put you top end of fast group
Anyways...
Read a few comments which I could relate. I often bring up my mv 800 I had. That had an optimistic claim in power but being a naked triple was great fun thrashing and you could (well I could at least) exploit the power more often
Just went out for a ride this morning with Piginawig and 1000cc+ bikes really can be bonkers at times
I recently did cadwell and have done snett a few times. Your times would put you top end of fast group
Anyways...
Read a few comments which I could relate. I often bring up my mv 800 I had. That had an optimistic claim in power but being a naked triple was great fun thrashing and you could (well I could at least) exploit the power more often
Just went out for a ride this morning with Piginawig and 1000cc+ bikes really can be bonkers at times
They’re from a 1000cc bike. In an endurance race, but with faster traffic coming through and slower traffic to get past, two stints of c45 minutes a time, so paced, rather than balls out. As I mentioned before, at no point in the thread did I raise my racing background, that was Grindle about himself and yonex about me.
My view remains that sportsbikes can be exploited fully on the road in small(ish) blasts, or longer where you think there’s little chance of being caught.
My view remains that sportsbikes can be exploited fully on the road in small(ish) blasts, or longer where you think there’s little chance of being caught.
Lindun said:
Grindle said:
Lindun, you fool, had you had a better education you would have realised that my post wasn't actually about how quick or otherwise i am, but was about a single cylinder road bike often being effectively as quick as bigger and more powerful machinery on the roads due to it's impressive power output, it's very light weight and it's amazing brakes.
Killjoys like you who have a negative and critical attitude ruin forums like this one, so like i said you seriously need to get out more often, as your ridiculous posts per day average prove.
Until you are able to grasp the true meaning of a post STFU and get yourself a decent bike.
Your insults are getting tedious now. Show some evidence to back up your claims of your background as a “half decent bike racer”, who “put down some good UK track times”Killjoys like you who have a negative and critical attitude ruin forums like this one, so like i said you seriously need to get out more often, as your ridiculous posts per day average prove.
Until you are able to grasp the true meaning of a post STFU and get yourself a decent bike.
What do you consider a decent bike?
In no particular order i would say, for the times they were being sold, the following bikes would be classed as 'decent'. Let's list just a few of over 120 bikes owned to date. 4 in the garage now.
Kawasaki Z1A. Kawasaki GPZ1100. Kawasaki H2 750C.
Honda CBX 1000. Honda RC30 (750). Honda RVF400.
Yamaha RD350LC. Yamaha RD500LC.
Suzuki GT750. Suzuki GSXR1000 K5. Suzuki RG500. Suzuki RE5 Rotary. Suzuki B King. Suzuki GSXR600 track bike.
Triumph T160V Trident.
BSA DBD34 Gold Star. Norvin 1000cc cafe racer.
Ducati 1299 Panigale. Ducati 999R. Ducati 450 Desmo.
BTW YOU started the insults and the stupid comments and you do need to get out more and pipe down. You didn't even get the point of my post, but instead whined about it like a child.
You haven't a fraction of the bike experience i have nor have you owned the kind of bikes i have.
Like someone else said you are digging a bigger hole with every post and you are too stupid to realise it.
Do yourself a favour and quit the BS matey.
yonex said:
Lindun said:
That bike wouldn’t have been legal in many race series from the mid 2000s on. Where did you race it?
Why don’t you stick your own up as you’re desperate to prove how much faster you are?I would take what you said Yonex, over what Dimlune says every day of the week.
As you will have seen, at no point did i ever say i was a red hot racer but i HAVE had some amazing bikes and still own them.
Esceptico said:
Hungrymc said:
Its gone like the bloody Porsche forum.
Lindun will get banned again eventually. Perhaps his next name should be Phoenix?My road and track bike life has been extremely enjoyable and i have ridden or owned every significant sports bike made pretty much, i have nothing to prove, particularly to a goon like dim lune.
Maybe we just stop feeding this particular troll. He's a tosser.
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