Nortons current state
Discussion
airsafari87 said:
Chasin the racin podcast is out now and there is a good interview on there with one of the first V4 owners to have his bike delivered. It's also possible that the stripped bike posted on here may also be his too?
He was also at the factory gates on the day the receivers went in and he goes on to explain what happened once they managed to get inside the factory and even speak to Garner himself.
Caught up on this podcast this morning! The timescales between him putting a deposit, paying in full and getting and bike are mad! He was also at the factory gates on the day the receivers went in and he goes on to explain what happened once they managed to get inside the factory and even speak to Garner himself.
As are the timescales for sending it in for warranty work and then it being stripped.
Really sad seeing the fall out of all this.
Does anyone know how many bikes they actually produced and delivered, how many were recalled for various reasons.
Wonder when the parts from the factory will appear on ebay? or will they be crushed?
Where are the race bikes in all this? haven't seen them mentioned at all.
Does anyone know how many bikes they actually produced and delivered, how many were recalled for various reasons.
Wonder when the parts from the factory will appear on ebay? or will they be crushed?
Where are the race bikes in all this? haven't seen them mentioned at all.
Just received a pensions information leaflet from my current scheme, and they mention a new pensions bill currently going through Parliament, was delayed by the general election, so not yet law.
Garner unfortunately may have dodged a bullet, as the new bill states its intention...
"Introduce a criminal offence, carrying a maximum sentence of 7 years imprisonment, and a civil penalty of up to £1 million, to punish those found to have committed wilful or grossly reckless behavior, in relation to a pension scheme "
Garner unfortunately may have dodged a bullet, as the new bill states its intention...
"Introduce a criminal offence, carrying a maximum sentence of 7 years imprisonment, and a civil penalty of up to £1 million, to punish those found to have committed wilful or grossly reckless behavior, in relation to a pension scheme "
rigga said:
Just received a pensions information leaflet from my current scheme, and they mention a new pensions bill currently going through Parliament, was delayed by the general election, so not yet law.
Garner unfortunately may have dodged a bullet, as the new bill states its intention...
"Introduce a criminal offence, carrying a maximum sentence of 7 years imprisonment, and a civil penalty of up to £1 million, to punish those found to have committed wilful or grossly reckless behavior, in relation to a pension scheme "
Considering the absolutely devastating effect that losing an expected and anticipated pension has on the victims ,the punishment IMO is nowhere near enough , certainly doesn't fit the crime and should be at least 15 years behind bars with hard labour.Garner unfortunately may have dodged a bullet, as the new bill states its intention...
"Introduce a criminal offence, carrying a maximum sentence of 7 years imprisonment, and a civil penalty of up to £1 million, to punish those found to have committed wilful or grossly reckless behavior, in relation to a pension scheme "
The alternative would be to let the victims extract their own retribution from the perpetrator(s),highly unlikely that either will ever happen , one can but hope ....
Criminals who utterly destroy peoples lives should expect really severe punishment. ,seven years (out in 3 1/2?) is an insult to their victims.
Rant over.
Bikesalot said:
airsafari87 said:
Chasin the racin podcast is out now and there is a good interview on there with one of the first V4 owners to have his bike delivered. It's also possible that the stripped bike posted on here may also be his too?
He was also at the factory gates on the day the receivers went in and he goes on to explain what happened once they managed to get inside the factory and even speak to Garner himself.
Caught up on this podcast this morning! The timescales between him putting a deposit, paying in full and getting and bike are mad! He was also at the factory gates on the day the receivers went in and he goes on to explain what happened once they managed to get inside the factory and even speak to Garner himself.
As are the timescales for sending it in for warranty work and then it being stripped.
I can't imagine stumping up full asking and waiting months.
I listened to the podcast too, thanks for the heads up. Those two are a couple of amateurs who, after forty one episodes, can't get decent mics set up for interviews and can't be arsed to repeat the name of the sponsor. Jokers.
Nevertheless, the 'anonymous customer' sounded credible and his tale was quite incredible.
Essentially, Norton were taking parts from some bikes in the factory; bikes which were in for the purposes of first service and ostensibly for 'warranty repair'. Norton then bastardised used parts from these customer owned bikes and to fitted these parts to other 'new' bikes in the anticipation of more cashflow being released (I am presuming), upon which time I expect they anticipated receiving more parts from suppliers with whom they were no longer trading on credit (if, at all), in order to replace the stolen parts.
Nevertheless, the 'anonymous customer' sounded credible and his tale was quite incredible.
Essentially, Norton were taking parts from some bikes in the factory; bikes which were in for the purposes of first service and ostensibly for 'warranty repair'. Norton then bastardised used parts from these customer owned bikes and to fitted these parts to other 'new' bikes in the anticipation of more cashflow being released (I am presuming), upon which time I expect they anticipated receiving more parts from suppliers with whom they were no longer trading on credit (if, at all), in order to replace the stolen parts.
bolidemichael said:
I listened to the podcast too, thanks for the heads up. Those two are a couple of amateurs who, after forty one episodes, can't get decent mics set up for interviews and can't be arsed to repeat the name of the sponsor. Jokers.
To be fair, it's hard to record any form of decent audio when recording a phone call.Bikesalot said:
bolidemichael said:
I listened to the podcast too, thanks for the heads up. Those two are a couple of amateurs who, after forty one episodes, can't get decent mics set up for interviews and can't be arsed to repeat the name of the sponsor. Jokers.
To be fair, it's hard to record any form of decent audio when recording a phone call.Besides, in hindsight I think that perhaps I was a little harsh. Why criticise bikers trying to create a relevant podcast? Hopefully, they'll sort out the audio, after all, that's the key interface for the listener.
They record the podcast from a camper van on Chrispy Mouses driveway and all the equipment they have for recording the podcasts with seem to be either self funded by themselves, and they have had a couple of charitable donations of equipment from some listeners.
In some of the most recent episodes they have mentioned that they are building a proper studio in one of their back gardens I assume?
Bearing in mind that the podcast is out together by 2 racers who also work for a living and struggle to pull together the funding required just to go racing I can forgive the not so great audio quality that we sometimes get on parts of the podcast.
With reference to the Norton owner and Ellison interview they did say that the interviews had to be done over Skype, therefore the audio quality wasnt the best.
All in all though it is probably the best bike podcast out there. I tried Dean Harrisons podcast, and while Dean himself is spot on, his marra that's on with him makes it absolutely impossible to listen too, he is horrendous!
Or we could all listen to Shakeys podcast and hear about how great he is over and over again.
In some of the most recent episodes they have mentioned that they are building a proper studio in one of their back gardens I assume?
Bearing in mind that the podcast is out together by 2 racers who also work for a living and struggle to pull together the funding required just to go racing I can forgive the not so great audio quality that we sometimes get on parts of the podcast.
With reference to the Norton owner and Ellison interview they did say that the interviews had to be done over Skype, therefore the audio quality wasnt the best.
All in all though it is probably the best bike podcast out there. I tried Dean Harrisons podcast, and while Dean himself is spot on, his marra that's on with him makes it absolutely impossible to listen too, he is horrendous!
Or we could all listen to Shakeys podcast and hear about how great he is over and over again.
airsafari87 said:
They record the podcast from a camper van on Chrispy Mouses driveway and all the equipment they have for recording the podcasts with seem to be either self funded by themselves, and they have had a couple of charitable donations of equipment from some listeners.
In some of the most recent episodes they have mentioned that they are building a proper studio in one of their back gardens I assume?
Bearing in mind that the podcast is out together by 2 racers who also work for a living and struggle to pull together the funding required just to go racing I can forgive the not so great audio quality that we sometimes get on parts of the podcast.
With reference to the Norton owner and Ellison interview they did say that the interviews had to be done over Skype, therefore the audio quality wasnt the best.
All in all though it is probably the best bike podcast out there. I tried Dean Harrisons podcast, and while Dean himself is spot on, his marra that's on with him makes it absolutely impossible to listen too, he is horrendous!
Or we could all listen to Shakeys podcast and hear about how great he is over and over again.
Thanks for the insight; to the uninitiated listener, they should really take more care to respect their sponsors, however. All the best to them.In some of the most recent episodes they have mentioned that they are building a proper studio in one of their back gardens I assume?
Bearing in mind that the podcast is out together by 2 racers who also work for a living and struggle to pull together the funding required just to go racing I can forgive the not so great audio quality that we sometimes get on parts of the podcast.
With reference to the Norton owner and Ellison interview they did say that the interviews had to be done over Skype, therefore the audio quality wasnt the best.
All in all though it is probably the best bike podcast out there. I tried Dean Harrisons podcast, and while Dean himself is spot on, his marra that's on with him makes it absolutely impossible to listen too, he is horrendous!
Or we could all listen to Shakeys podcast and hear about how great he is over and over again.
What do you mean, 'marra', in reference to Dean Harrison?
As far as I can tell there are not enough individual stories to form an accurate view. Just because there is a picture of one bike stripped down it doesnt mean much.
They may have only sold a handfull of those v4 efforts. Which part has gone wrong on a bike that just probably sits in someones front room as a conversation piece?
Hopefully the proper news (the one people ignore now) Will do a story on the whole thing.
They may have only sold a handfull of those v4 efforts. Which part has gone wrong on a bike that just probably sits in someones front room as a conversation piece?
Hopefully the proper news (the one people ignore now) Will do a story on the whole thing.
Fundoreen said:
As far as I can tell there are not enough individual stories to form an accurate view. Just because there is a picture of one bike stripped down it doesnt mean much.
They may have only sold a handfull of those v4 efforts. Which part has gone wrong on a bike that just probably sits in someones front room as a conversation piece?
Hopefully the proper news (the one people ignore now) Will do a story on the whole thing.
One of the stripped down bikes was a bike which had been ridden and had gone in for it's 500 mile service. While it was in for it's service some paintwork issue was also being tended to under warranty. The ECU, clocks, all body work and a few other parts were removed and are unaccounted for.They may have only sold a handfull of those v4 efforts. Which part has gone wrong on a bike that just probably sits in someones front room as a conversation piece?
Hopefully the proper news (the one people ignore now) Will do a story on the whole thing.
The (few) dealers that Norton had are being shafted. They took deposits and passed them onto Norton, so customers are demanding the money back off of them (which is fair enough). One dealer is down nearly £100,000 (two V4 paid in full and a heap of deposits on the never-launched Atlas).
The deposits on the V4s were paid ages ago. Then around christmas time dealer had a notification from Norton that the bikes were ready, so customers paid up and money sent to Norton. He was then told by someone else at the factory not to bother going to collect them as they were gone... they had been sold to a french customer. He's got documentation with chassis numbers and all the forms for getting the bikes registered, and so has the French guy. They just duplicated all the paperwork to sell the same bikes twice.
The deposits on the V4s were paid ages ago. Then around christmas time dealer had a notification from Norton that the bikes were ready, so customers paid up and money sent to Norton. He was then told by someone else at the factory not to bother going to collect them as they were gone... they had been sold to a french customer. He's got documentation with chassis numbers and all the forms for getting the bikes registered, and so has the French guy. They just duplicated all the paperwork to sell the same bikes twice.
http://www.bmf.co.uk/news/motorcycle-news/show/pet...
A Change.org petition has been launched calling for the questioning of the owner of Norton Motorcycles, Stuart Garner, over allegations surrounding the misuse of pension funds.
As the BMF has previously reported, the world-famous British marque went into administration last month and Mr Garner failed to appear at a public hearing held by the Pensions Ombudsman on February 13th to investigate complaints made about three pension schemes connected to him.
The petition, which was launched by the ‘Commando 2012 pensioners’ – so-called due to the name of one of the pension funds – alleges that Mr Garner “used 14 million pounds of people’s pension funds he obtained through fraudulent activity to set up three separate pension schemes and used the money to run his business and expensive lifestyle” and argues that "Mr Garner needs to be questioned over his conduct".
It also calls upon the government to “help the 280-plus people who have lost all their savings”.
The chair of Parliament’s Public Accounts Committee has also called for an investigation after ITV estimated that Norton and the British Motorcycle Manufacturing Academy (also believed to be connected to Mr Garner) had received £5 million of government grants.
Petition can be signed here...
https://www.change.org/p/government-fraud-charges?...
A Change.org petition has been launched calling for the questioning of the owner of Norton Motorcycles, Stuart Garner, over allegations surrounding the misuse of pension funds.
As the BMF has previously reported, the world-famous British marque went into administration last month and Mr Garner failed to appear at a public hearing held by the Pensions Ombudsman on February 13th to investigate complaints made about three pension schemes connected to him.
The petition, which was launched by the ‘Commando 2012 pensioners’ – so-called due to the name of one of the pension funds – alleges that Mr Garner “used 14 million pounds of people’s pension funds he obtained through fraudulent activity to set up three separate pension schemes and used the money to run his business and expensive lifestyle” and argues that "Mr Garner needs to be questioned over his conduct".
It also calls upon the government to “help the 280-plus people who have lost all their savings”.
The chair of Parliament’s Public Accounts Committee has also called for an investigation after ITV estimated that Norton and the British Motorcycle Manufacturing Academy (also believed to be connected to Mr Garner) had received £5 million of government grants.
Petition can be signed here...
https://www.change.org/p/government-fraud-charges?...
Edited by alvington89 on Monday 24th February 17:01
Fundoreen said:
As far as I can tell there are not enough individual stories to form an accurate view. Just because there is a picture of one bike stripped down it doesnt mean much.
They may have only sold a handfull of those v4 efforts. Which part has gone wrong on a bike that just probably sits in someones front room as a conversation piece?
Hopefully the proper news (the one people ignore now) Will do a story on the whole thing.
You could read up on it a little more, I suppose, it is more than just a picture of 1 stripped bike.They may have only sold a handfull of those v4 efforts. Which part has gone wrong on a bike that just probably sits in someones front room as a conversation piece?
Hopefully the proper news (the one people ignore now) Will do a story on the whole thing.
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