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egor110 said:
DarthtaterM16 said:
egor110 said:
DarthtaterM16 said:
Interesting to see how Alex does.
Ducati have upgraded Avintia to satellite status.
They’re desperate to get Zarco on their bike.
Will be pretty embarrassing for Zarco to end up riding for Avintia given his comments regarding the team on Saturday.
Gigi has offered him the ‘19 bike he’s not going to get anything better than the very bike that came 2nd on Sunday.Ducati have upgraded Avintia to satellite status.
They’re desperate to get Zarco on their bike.
Will be pretty embarrassing for Zarco to end up riding for Avintia given his comments regarding the team on Saturday.
But calling them “not a top team”.. Lol
However if he gets on with the bike he could be like quatarraro , the rider/team out performing the factory bikes.
There was a thing on gp one with the Marc bds owner and he seemed totally fine with am moving into bigger things.
My point was that Zarco being so openly dismissive of the team then ending up riding for them anyway may be a little awkward regardless of Available machinery.
And a Ducati didn't finish 2nd on Sunday.
Edited by DarthtaterM16 on Tuesday 19th November 07:37
hiccy18 said:
Alex rode his best season ever, deserved the title overall, however...
To win you need to have the machine underneath you, which Brad Binder didn't have until after the summer break. Best rider in the class got rewarded with the second worst bike in MotoGP, IMO. Alex has always been prone to clumsy mistakes (like Sunday), I don't see that changing.
Brad Binder has been astounding this season. Considering the KTM was a piece of kak for half of the season, his results since the upgrades have blown the field (AM included) away. To finish 3 points off the Championship is a real testament not only to his riding, but his grit and bike development abilities. Look at his results in the latter half......To win you need to have the machine underneath you, which Brad Binder didn't have until after the summer break. Best rider in the class got rewarded with the second worst bike in MotoGP, IMO. Alex has always been prone to clumsy mistakes (like Sunday), I don't see that changing.
To be fair, I've known BB many years and spent a lot of time on track with him and he is truly amazing. Throughout the tough times he kept his head down, didn't insult his team and worked to get the bike right often pulling more out of the bike than it should really deliver. Take note Mr Zarco........
Regarding Alex into Repsol, it's a no brainer. He'll play the dutiful brother to the main event and will slot in as the forelock tugging #2. No other option was going to be so deferential to MM and not try to upset the apple cart. Repsol Honda get a sweeper, someone who can fight for the additional points and act as a screen for MM.
Zarco. Absolute horse prick. Needs to learn to shut up and let his riding do the talking. He's achieved the square root of f
k all in MotoGP but is slagging teams off as not 'Top'. Really?? And what record does he have to make such unprofessional comments? He did the typical French surrender monkey act at KTM but expects top billing based on no substantive evidence that he belongs in the big league. Frankly I hope he ends up back in Moto2 and disappears without trace. Zero humility, zero professionalism. And he's nowhere good enough to carry it off. Steve Bass said:
hiccy18 said:
Alex rode his best season ever, deserved the title overall, however...
To win you need to have the machine underneath you, which Brad Binder didn't have until after the summer break. Best rider in the class got rewarded with the second worst bike in MotoGP, IMO. Alex has always been prone to clumsy mistakes (like Sunday), I don't see that changing.
Brad Binder has been astounding this season. Considering the KTM was a piece of kak for half of the season, his results since the upgrades have blown the field (AM included) away. To finish 3 points off the Championship is a real testament not only to his riding, but his grit and bike development abilities. Look at his results in the latter half......To win you need to have the machine underneath you, which Brad Binder didn't have until after the summer break. Best rider in the class got rewarded with the second worst bike in MotoGP, IMO. Alex has always been prone to clumsy mistakes (like Sunday), I don't see that changing.
To be fair, I've known BB many years and spent a lot of time on track with him and he is truly amazing. Throughout the tough times he kept his head down, didn't insult his team and worked to get the bike right often pulling more out of the bike than it should really deliver. Take note Mr Zarco........
Regarding Alex into Repsol, it's a no brainer. He'll play the dutiful brother to the main event and will slot in as the forelock tugging #2. No other option was going to be so deferential to MM and not try to upset the apple cart. Repsol Honda get a sweeper, someone who can fight for the additional points and act as a screen for MM.
Zarco. Absolute horse prick. Needs to learn to shut up and let his riding do the talking. He's achieved the square root of f
k all in MotoGP but is slagging teams off as not 'Top'. Really?? And what record does he have to make such unprofessional comments? He did the typical French surrender monkey act at KTM but expects top billing based on no substantive evidence that he belongs in the big league. Frankly I hope he ends up back in Moto2 and disappears without trace. Zero humility, zero professionalism. And he's nowhere good enough to carry it off. If he ends up riding for Avintia in the end after his comments it will only further cement his status as a total bellend.
Edited by DarthtaterM16 on Tuesday 19th November 07:32
DarthtaterM16 said:
Steve Bass said:
hiccy18 said:
Alex rode his best season ever, deserved the title overall, however...
To win you need to have the machine underneath you, which Brad Binder didn't have until after the summer break. Best rider in the class got rewarded with the second worst bike in MotoGP, IMO. Alex has always been prone to clumsy mistakes (like Sunday), I don't see that changing.
Brad Binder has been astounding this season. Considering the KTM was a piece of kak for half of the season, his results since the upgrades have blown the field (AM included) away. To finish 3 points off the Championship is a real testament not only to his riding, but his grit and bike development abilities. Look at his results in the latter half......To win you need to have the machine underneath you, which Brad Binder didn't have until after the summer break. Best rider in the class got rewarded with the second worst bike in MotoGP, IMO. Alex has always been prone to clumsy mistakes (like Sunday), I don't see that changing.
To be fair, I've known BB many years and spent a lot of time on track with him and he is truly amazing. Throughout the tough times he kept his head down, didn't insult his team and worked to get the bike right often pulling more out of the bike than it should really deliver. Take note Mr Zarco........
Regarding Alex into Repsol, it's a no brainer. He'll play the dutiful brother to the main event and will slot in as the forelock tugging #2. No other option was going to be so deferential to MM and not try to upset the apple cart. Repsol Honda get a sweeper, someone who can fight for the additional points and act as a screen for MM.
Zarco. Absolute horse prick. Needs to learn to shut up and let his riding do the talking. He's achieved the square root of f
k all in MotoGP but is slagging teams off as not 'Top'. Really?? And what record does he have to make such unprofessional comments? He did the typical French surrender monkey act at KTM but expects top billing based on no substantive evidence that he belongs in the big league. Frankly I hope he ends up back in Moto2 and disappears without trace. Zero humility, zero professionalism. And he's nowhere good enough to carry it off. If he ends up riding for Avintia in the end after his comments it will only further cement his status as a total bellend.
Edited by DarthtaterM16 on Tuesday 19th November 07:32
Despite him saying the avintia team are crap he could be the best rider available to them at present.
For Zarco and the team it's a gamble , but Ducati do seem Keen on him so I guess there's a lot of arm twisting going on behind the scenes .
See how they all get on today - https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/934362/1/valenci...
Ps Alex Marquez has already fallen, on his 8th lap - https://twitter.com/crash_motogp/status/1196735318...
FourWheelDrift said:
Avintia Ducati are getting a upgraded contract with newer bikes and more support perhaps to tempt Zarco over. If not Abraham and Rabat will have the upgraded bikes and support.
Karel Abraham......why??? ( yes I do know about his dad...but still)But maybe JZ should go to Moto2 and learn a little humility
Steve Bass said:
FourWheelDrift said:
Avintia Ducati are getting a upgraded contract with newer bikes and more support perhaps to tempt Zarco over. If not Abraham and Rabat will have the upgraded bikes and support.
Karel Abraham......why??? ( yes I do know about his dad...but still)But maybe JZ should go to Moto2 and learn a little humility
His best chance for next year is on the 2019 ducati so he'd be mental to go to moto 2.
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k know's who advising him but right here now he has the chance to ride the bike that finished 3rd on sunday , surely he doesn't think anything better is going to turn up ?egor110 said:
Why ?
His best chance for next year is on the 2019 ducati so he'd be mental to go to moto 2.
fk know's who advising him but right here now he has the chance to ride the bike that finished 3rd on sunday , surely he doesn't think anything better is going to turn up ?
Because after his childish fit of pique calling Avintia not a top team he's His best chance for next year is on the 2019 ducati so he'd be mental to go to moto 2.
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k know's who advising him but right here now he has the chance to ride the bike that finished 3rd on sunday , surely he doesn't think anything better is going to turn up ?(A) going to look like a real knob rolling up in the team after all.
(b) I can't see the Avintia mechanics and other team support staff welcoming him with open arms after his insulting remarks.
(c) will have to eat humble pie if he does go to Avintia after all and better deliver or the joke is on him
Steve Bass said:
egor110 said:
Why ?
His best chance for next year is on the 2019 ducati so he'd be mental to go to moto 2.
fk know's who advising him but right here now he has the chance to ride the bike that finished 3rd on sunday , surely he doesn't think anything better is going to turn up ?
Because after his childish fit of pique calling Avintia not a top team he's His best chance for next year is on the 2019 ducati so he'd be mental to go to moto 2.
f
k know's who advising him but right here now he has the chance to ride the bike that finished 3rd on sunday , surely he doesn't think anything better is going to turn up ?(A) going to look like a real knob rolling up in the team after all.
(b) I can't see the Avintia mechanics and other team support staff welcoming him with open arms after his insulting remarks.
(c) will have to eat humble pie if he does go to Avintia after all and better deliver or the joke is on him
re A and C there essentially the same thing , yes zarcos going to have to kiss ass but if the gamble plays out both rider and team benefit .
B - if he get's decent results the whole not a top team thing won't matter , plus at the end of the day there paid a wage to spanner not decide who rides for the team .
egor110 said:
These are all personal reasons though not business.
re A and C there essentially the same thing , yes zarcos going to have to kiss ass but if the gamble plays out both rider and team benefit .
B - if he get's decent results the whole not a top team thing won't matter , plus at the end of the day there paid a wage to spanner not decide who rides for the team .
Motor sport is a business but an incredibly personal one at that. re A and C there essentially the same thing , yes zarcos going to have to kiss ass but if the gamble plays out both rider and team benefit .
B - if he get's decent results the whole not a top team thing won't matter , plus at the end of the day there paid a wage to spanner not decide who rides for the team .
If the rider/driver doesn't respect his crew or team it's a particularly stinging insult as you're saying each and every member of the team is second rate. Not s great way to motivate your people who work incredibly long hours in the shadows just to support you. You succeed, they succeed, not only on track but in their personal careers as well.
When you need people to go the extra mile calling them 2nd rate isn't the best way to motivate your team.
For me, it s a real shame that Binder is going to KTM, maybe he’ll really shine, hopefully the bike will continue to develop....
For me, he’s one of the new crop who has a transferable style to MotoGP and seems to me to have the right mindset, grit etc. call it whatever that Zarco hasn’t got.
Zarco will be good on a bike that’s perfect for his style, he won’t be any good if it’s not absolutely perfect.
Many in the paddock believe so much in Marquez’s ability that they consider that on most bikes he’d be on the podium within a handful of races.... whether they’re right or not, how many of the current crop of Moto2 riders or MGP riders really have that ability. Binder for me is o e of them, just look how comfortable he is with that bike moving around under him.
For me, he’s one of the new crop who has a transferable style to MotoGP and seems to me to have the right mindset, grit etc. call it whatever that Zarco hasn’t got.
Zarco will be good on a bike that’s perfect for his style, he won’t be any good if it’s not absolutely perfect.
Many in the paddock believe so much in Marquez’s ability that they consider that on most bikes he’d be on the podium within a handful of races.... whether they’re right or not, how many of the current crop of Moto2 riders or MGP riders really have that ability. Binder for me is o e of them, just look how comfortable he is with that bike moving around under him.
Avintia aren't a top team, their bikes have a limpet like hold of the back row and whilst Karel may be there by virtue of daddies money, Tito is a former world champ and no slouch. Ducati are to increase their involvement for the next couple of years so it may be tempting to Zarco but Jack ended the day 10th on his GP19 so realistically a bike that wasn't capable of a title fight this year will next year be aiming for top 10's, like a KTM.
Anyway enough from me about 5**, away from the sharp end I will definitely be rooting for 33
Anyway enough from me about 5**, away from the sharp end I will definitely be rooting for 33
Karel Abraham has announced his retirement from Moto GP. I feel sorry for him tbh, I met him a few years ago and I guy I know is well up in his fan club. Despite all his cash, he’s a proper lad and mad about bikes, heck of a rider too. He could have hung his leathers up years ago, he’s stayed in as he loves it and I think with the new bikes and support would have surprised a few next year. But I suspect the new kit and new personnel are only coming if they sign Zarco.
I hope avintia don’t go on to regret Zarco......
I hope avintia don’t go on to regret Zarco......
Turn7 said:
No where else to go, other than home now.
Augusto Fernandez has takent he VDS M2 seat.....
Some seem to think that Petrux could be shafted (sent to Anintia) to make way for Zarco in the factory outfit.Augusto Fernandez has takent he VDS M2 seat.....
Btw, I think that Abraham was treated very poorly in this whole episode.
Edited to add ... I see that Zarco isn't at the test tomorrow for Avintia. It's their MotoE guy.
Edited by Higgs boson on Sunday 24th November 21:23
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