Jorge Lorenzo..

[NAS]

hiccy18 said:

Finally, relative to the thread title, observation: Lorenzo leaves Yamaha and joins Ducati, Yamaha no longer a championship contender, Ducati is. Lorenzo joins Honda, Ducati no longer a championship contender. Coincidence?

I could swear I read somewhere that Rossi acknowledged that without Lorenzo's input, development of the M1 stalled.

[Zarco]

NAS said:

hiccy18 said:

Finally, relative to the thread title, observation: Lorenzo leaves Yamaha and joins Ducati, Yamaha no longer a championship contender, Ducati is. Lorenzo joins Honda, Ducati no longer a championship contender. Coincidence?

I could swear I read somewhere that Rossi acknowledged that without Lorenzo's input, development of the M1 stalled.

I'm not doubting Lorenzo is a good development rider, but he wasn't at Ducati long enough to make difference.

Honda simply built a more competitive bike for 2019, with better straight line speed compared to 2018 to counter Ducati's main advantage.

We're not going to see Honda drop off next year now he has left. I think they did want him to develop the bike to be easier to ride for those who can't ride like MM.

[egor110]

Zarco said:

NAS said:

hiccy18 said:

Finally, relative to the thread title, observation: Lorenzo leaves Yamaha and joins Ducati, Yamaha no longer a championship contender, Ducati is. Lorenzo joins Honda, Ducati no longer a championship contender. Coincidence?

I could swear I read somewhere that Rossi acknowledged that without Lorenzo's input, development of the M1 stalled.

I'm not doubting Lorenzo is a good development rider, but he wasn't at Ducati long enough to make difference.

Honda simply built a more competitive bike for 2019, with better straight line speed compared to 2018 to counter Ducati's main advantage.

We're not going to see Honda drop off next year now he has left. I think they did want him to develop the bike to be easier to ride for those who can't ride like MM.

Was he allowed to develop anything at ducati ?

Remember he was pushing and pushing for them to change the fuel tank , finally they did and he went on his streak of decent race results.

[Zarco]

egor110 said:

Zarco said:

NAS said:

hiccy18 said:

Finally, relative to the thread title, observation: Lorenzo leaves Yamaha and joins Ducati, Yamaha no longer a championship contender, Ducati is. Lorenzo joins Honda, Ducati no longer a championship contender. Coincidence?

I could swear I read somewhere that Rossi acknowledged that without Lorenzo's input, development of the M1 stalled.

I'm not doubting Lorenzo is a good development rider, but he wasn't at Ducati long enough to make difference.

Honda simply built a more competitive bike for 2019, with better straight line speed compared to 2018 to counter Ducati's main advantage.

We're not going to see Honda drop off next year now he has left. I think they did want him to develop the bike to be easier to ride for those who can't ride like MM.

Was he allowed to develop anything at ducati ?

Remember he was pushing and pushing for them to change the fuel tank , finally they did and he went on his streak of decent race results.

I don't know if he did or didn't, but significant development takes at least a year. What they learn in 2018 is put into the 2019 bike for example.

[egor110]

Zarco said:

egor110 said:

Zarco said:

NAS said:

hiccy18 said:

Finally, relative to the thread title, observation: Lorenzo leaves Yamaha and joins Ducati, Yamaha no longer a championship contender, Ducati is. Lorenzo joins Honda, Ducati no longer a championship contender. Coincidence?

I could swear I read somewhere that Rossi acknowledged that without Lorenzo's input, development of the M1 stalled.

I'm not doubting Lorenzo is a good development rider, but he wasn't at Ducati long enough to make difference.

Honda simply built a more competitive bike for 2019, with better straight line speed compared to 2018 to counter Ducati's main advantage.

We're not going to see Honda drop off next year now he has left. I think they did want him to develop the bike to be easier to ride for those who can't ride like MM.

Was he allowed to develop anything at ducati ?

Remember he was pushing and pushing for them to change the fuel tank , finally they did and he went on his streak of decent race results.

I don't know if he did or didn't, but significant development takes at least a year. What they learn in 2018 is put into the 2019 bike for example.

My point was more like if he was trying to develop but the team weren't listening to him then it would of made no difference how long he'd be there.

[Zarco]

egor110 said:

Zarco said:

egor110 said:

Zarco said:

NAS said:

hiccy18 said:

Finally, relative to the thread title, observation: Lorenzo leaves Yamaha and joins Ducati, Yamaha no longer a championship contender, Ducati is. Lorenzo joins Honda, Ducati no longer a championship contender. Coincidence?

I could swear I read somewhere that Rossi acknowledged that without Lorenzo's input, development of the M1 stalled.

I'm not doubting Lorenzo is a good development rider, but he wasn't at Ducati long enough to make difference.

Honda simply built a more competitive bike for 2019, with better straight line speed compared to 2018 to counter Ducati's main advantage.

We're not going to see Honda drop off next year now he has left. I think they did want him to develop the bike to be easier to ride for those who can't ride like MM.

Was he allowed to develop anything at ducati ?

Remember he was pushing and pushing for them to change the fuel tank , finally they did and he went on his streak of decent race results.

I don't know if he did or didn't, but significant development takes at least a year. What they learn in 2018 is put into the 2019 bike for example.

My point was more like if he was trying to develop but the team weren't listening to him then it would of made no difference how long he'd be there.

I do agree.