Jorge Lorenzo..
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poo at Paul's said:
hiccy18 said:
Yeah alright, you don't like Zarco, understood. I think you're far off with your assessment, let's see what HRC and Alberto Puig think eh?
Well, as I said, he will get it I am sure, but that doesn't mean he deserves it. There's far more at play here than some may realise.Think about it, why did they sign Lorenzo....? It's been no surprise at all to most of us how poorly Lorenzo fared on the Honda, injuries aside, he'd have been struggling for top 10s as the bike's characteristics, the way it works, just does not fit with Lorenzo's style.
They signed him to get him off a Ducati!!! No more no less.
If Zarco get's the ride, he will do better than Lorenzo, but he'll be struggling on it too and they wont want him getting in Marc's way...….whereas, the thought of Zarco back on a Yam, which suits his style (lest we forget he binned his factory KTM to have a slim chance of a Yam test rider job, so motivated is he to get back on a Yam), well that worries Honda and HRC.
Truth is, when you have Marc on a Honda in the form he is in, you don't need anyone else on a bike really! So if you can sign people who may be a problem in other teams, and control them and their progress from within, more power to you.
It's been going on in other sports for years, guys signed for top footy teams to sit on the bench for 250k a week, just so they aint playing for the opposition.
Honda will be rubbing their hands with glee as to how it has panned out with Lorenzo, sadly. They thought they could get him out of the sharp end for 2 years, if he then went back to Ducati, he would be 2 years older etc, as it is, he'd beaten himself half to death, and gone for good now, all in 12 months. They only have to worry about Quatrararro now, and unless the Yam gets 15kmh more this year, they can deal with that. BUt you can bet your life that at the minute, they are chucking the kitchen sink full of cash at Fabio's agent to see if they can get him on the Honda, so Marc can be unchallenged in 2020.
Honda have more to worry about than just Quartararo. Vinales has finally found form (using Quartararo's settings I wonder?) and Morbedelli is looking decent too.
I've really warmed to Lorenzo over the years, especially as he is the only one who could beat and has beaten 2 of the greatest riders of all time at their best.
Also, it must be almost impossible to come into a (Yamaha) team, build around a very charming mind-game master and be able to beat him, regularly, but he has done it. It really does say something about his determination.
It really is a shame that Lorenzo is leaving, and I hope he finds peace in/from his mind.
Also, it must be almost impossible to come into a (Yamaha) team, build around a very charming mind-game master and be able to beat him, regularly, but he has done it. It really does say something about his determination.
It really is a shame that Lorenzo is leaving, and I hope he finds peace in/from his mind.
Slippydiff said:
RemaL said:
Slippydiff said:
Couldn't have put it better myself. Probably not the easiest individual to work with, and everything needs to align (including his head) for him to perform at the highest level, but when they do, I'm convinced no one is quicker on a Moto GP bike.
I'm not convinced. As I said a very good and talented rider but not "quicker than anyone on a Moto GP bike ever".RemaL said:
I'm not convinced. As I said a very good and talented rider but not "quicker than anyone on a Moto GP bike ever".
Ahem ...About that "ever" you sneakily tacked on the end of my post... If you're going to quote my posts, please do so accurately and verbatim
But I digress ... I maintain that during the Rossi's peak MGP years, along with Pedrosa, Marquez, Stoner etc, Lorenzo on the right day, with the right bike, tyres, weather, head in the right place blah blah blah, was quicker than any of them.
Sure, if it came to swapping paint/ banging fairings on the last corner with The Doctor or Marquez, he'd would pretty much always come off second best, but in pole to flag race "unhindered" and out in front, Lorenzo's pace was untouchable.
Granted, those occasions were rare, but when the stars did align ... :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpZdHFJFK-U
my reply to your unedited quote was how I took your unedited quote
. No one is quicker on a moto GP bike. I feel Marquz, Stoner and Rossi in their prime would beat Jorge in their prime. same age and top of their game. But thats only my view Edited by RemaL on Friday 15th November 09:39
Ho Lee Kau said:
Personally I think it is a loss to the sport. Sad day. Would be amazing if he reappeared on the grid again.
When Rossi hangs up his leathers it's likely there'll only be one guy on the grid with titles at the top level.I think a comeback story would be very enticing for many involved.
RemaL said:
My reply did no change your original quote, But I can see how I changed by mistake the quote to and from. I never get on with the quote person on multiply quotes. ahhh you know what i mean
my reply to your unedited quote was how I took your unedited quote. No one is quicker on a moto GP bike. I feel Marquz, Stoner and Rossi in their prime would beat Jorge in their prime. same age and top of their game. But thats only my view
And in the words of one Mr J Clarkson, you are of course entitled to it.my reply to your unedited quote was how I took your unedited quote
. No one is quicker on a moto GP bike. I feel Marquz, Stoner and Rossi in their prime would beat Jorge in their prime. same age and top of their game. But thats only my view But you’re wrong
swampy442 said:
poo at Paul's said:
I think the Crutchlow thing is a non started due to his Monster sponsorship, but in effect he is already on a full factory Honda is he not? Honda ran three factory bikes in Repsol colours for years, I think now it's just one is in LCR colours.
But I agree it would be great to see him in the full factory team and colours.
My thinking is - Zarco has had 1 race weekend on it, Crutchlow knows the team, the management, the bike, if the drink sponsor is the only stumbling block I'm sure Red Bull could out muscle Monster if they really wanted to. Don't get me wrong, I'd like to see Zarco succeed, and curious to see how he adapts his style but in my eyes he's not the logical chiceBut I agree it would be great to see him in the full factory team and colours.
Neil1300r said:
swampy442 said:
poo at Paul's said:
I think the Crutchlow thing is a non started due to his Monster sponsorship, but in effect he is already on a full factory Honda is he not? Honda ran three factory bikes in Repsol colours for years, I think now it's just one is in LCR colours.
But I agree it would be great to see him in the full factory team and colours.
My thinking is - Zarco has had 1 race weekend on it, Crutchlow knows the team, the management, the bike, if the drink sponsor is the only stumbling block I'm sure Red Bull could out muscle Monster if they really wanted to. Don't get me wrong, I'd like to see Zarco succeed, and curious to see how he adapts his style but in my eyes he's not the logical chiceBut I agree it would be great to see him in the full factory team and colours.
naka to hrc and zarco with crutchlow for the year then 2021 they'd have the option to stick am in hrc.
Ho Lee Kau said:
Slippydiff said:
Rat_Fink_67 said:
Ho Lee Kau said:
Just read comments from Agostini and Reggiani, they were not particularly positive on JL, saying he was great rider when things were going his way, otherwise he would break down, he was too attached to money, too proud and should have kept his mouth shut at times, also that he did not grow up enough mentally...
Graziano Rossi said he was surprised by the retirement, but would not be surprised if next season JL suddenly came back to racing.
That kind of contradicts what I've read from Alberto Puig (a renowned bGraziano Rossi said he was surprised by the retirement, but would not be surprised if next season JL suddenly came back to racing.
d), who has said he was a real gentleman and very professional. Either way I don't think snippets and quotes in the media ever give us a true insight to what these guys are like in the real world."Sorry to see him reduced like that.
The retreat was in the air - says the 15-time world champion - and it was a question of understanding who would have taken the first step between him and Honda. Jorge was great, when there is a great driver who does great things, I bow: and he has beaten some greats like Valentino and Márquez, just to give him credit. Unfortunately, it is also true that he has always been like this: When everything was going the right way it was a beast, otherwise he went backwards. He fell, he hurt himself, he is vulnerable. Of course, he was very sorry to see him so bad, but if he went into crisis, it wasn't because of Márquez or the bike. An existential and personal crisis"
Reggiani:
"Very strong pilot, but not so complete.
I expected it, the stop, because Jorge is attached to the money but also very proud: to continue with the Honda would have exposed him to unacceptable figures. He was a particular driver: from the way I saw him, arriving in MotoGP he did a great job to become strong with his head, and the jump was actually exaggerated. He went very fast with Yamaha. But I also believe that maintaining those levels, if mentally strong you are not born there, has a cost: you waste a lot of energy and more easily collapse. He was an incomplete pilot, not always very lucid, and on several occasions he would have been more sympathetic if he had kept his mouth shut"
Personally I think it is a loss to the sport. Sad day. Would be amazing if he reappeared on the grid again.
We know what Ago's done, what accolades does Loris Reggiani hold ?
poo at Paul's said:
lazybike said:
I've changed my mind, I wouldn't be surprised if this is some contract/face saving thing and he's back by Feb.
Actually, I wonder if you may be right ie he will be abck in some capacity …..Yam test rider spot suddenly available....? Slippydiff said:
His and their lawyers will no doubt come to some agreement.
It'll be interesting to see if he makes a comeback at some point, clearly he's contracted to ride for HRC next year, so the only way to get out of riding for them that year is to say you're retiring. question is was that forced upon him by Puig/HRC ?
JL gets paid for a year spent sunbathing/going to the gym. Honda don't lose face (having never broken a contract with a rider in Moto GP ?) and JL neatly removes himself out of the Moto GP equation for the year.
Will that year will spent building bridges with Ducati or Linn Jarvis ? and recuperating/getting his back sorted, to miraculously announce his return in 2021
I for one, hope so.
It'll be interesting to see if he makes a comeback at some point, clearly he's contracted to ride for HRC next year, so the only way to get out of riding for them that year is to say you're retiring. question is was that forced upon him by Puig/HRC ?
JL gets paid for a year spent sunbathing/going to the gym. Honda don't lose face (having never broken a contract with a rider in Moto GP ?) and JL neatly removes himself out of the Moto GP equation for the year.
Will that year will spent building bridges with Ducati or Linn Jarvis ? and recuperating/getting his back sorted, to miraculously announce his return in 2021
I for one, hope so.
Honda need to plan for the future as who knows wether Marquez will jump ship one day.
Some up and coming rider from moto2 that can still learn something maybe to replace Lorenzo.
A lot have had ther chances and are at the tail end of ther careers. Cruchlow wins a race once a season then crashed out the other races so doubt he is a option.
His rare wins obviously keep a small team on the map so thats why he has value there.
Some up and coming rider from moto2 that can still learn something maybe to replace Lorenzo.
A lot have had ther chances and are at the tail end of ther careers. Cruchlow wins a race once a season then crashed out the other races so doubt he is a option.
His rare wins obviously keep a small team on the map so thats why he has value there.
poo at Paul's said:
Well, as I said, he will get it I am sure, but that doesn't mean he deserves it. There's far more at play here than some may realise.
Think about it, why did they sign Lorenzo....? It's been no surprise at all to most of us how poorly Lorenzo fared on the Honda, injuries aside, he'd have been struggling for top 10s as the bike's characteristics, the way it works, just does not fit with Lorenzo's style.
They signed him to get him off a Ducati!!! No more no less.
If Zarco get's the ride, he will do better than Lorenzo, but he'll be struggling on it too and they wont want him getting in Marc's way...….whereas, the thought of Zarco back on a Yam, which suits his style (lest we forget he binned his factory KTM to have a slim chance of a Yam test rider job, so motivated is he to get back on a Yam), well that worries Honda and HRC.
Truth is, when you have Marc on a Honda in the form he is in, you don't need anyone else on a bike really! So if you can sign people who may be a problem in other teams, and control them and their progress from within, more power to you.
It's been going on in other sports for years, guys signed for top footy teams to sit on the bench for 250k a week, just so they aint playing for the opposition.
Honda will be rubbing their hands with glee as to how it has panned out with Lorenzo, sadly. They thought they could get him out of the sharp end for 2 years, if he then went back to Ducati, he would be 2 years older etc, as it is, he'd beaten himself half to death, and gone for good now, all in 12 months. They only have to worry about Quatrararro now, and unless the Yam gets 15kmh more this year, they can deal with that. BUt you can bet your life that at the minute, they are chucking the kitchen sink full of cash at Fabio's agent to see if they can get him on the Honda, so Marc can be unchallenged in 2020.
Nah that's tinfoil-hattery: JL was out of a job, Ducati had already signed Petrucci to replace him when he knocked Honda's door begging for a ride. Then he won Mugello: Honda snapped him up thinking they'd have arguably the best two riders in the paddock, chances were no one else could touch them, triple crown assured.Think about it, why did they sign Lorenzo....? It's been no surprise at all to most of us how poorly Lorenzo fared on the Honda, injuries aside, he'd have been struggling for top 10s as the bike's characteristics, the way it works, just does not fit with Lorenzo's style.
They signed him to get him off a Ducati!!! No more no less.
If Zarco get's the ride, he will do better than Lorenzo, but he'll be struggling on it too and they wont want him getting in Marc's way...….whereas, the thought of Zarco back on a Yam, which suits his style (lest we forget he binned his factory KTM to have a slim chance of a Yam test rider job, so motivated is he to get back on a Yam), well that worries Honda and HRC.
Truth is, when you have Marc on a Honda in the form he is in, you don't need anyone else on a bike really! So if you can sign people who may be a problem in other teams, and control them and their progress from within, more power to you.
It's been going on in other sports for years, guys signed for top footy teams to sit on the bench for 250k a week, just so they aint playing for the opposition.
Honda will be rubbing their hands with glee as to how it has panned out with Lorenzo, sadly. They thought they could get him out of the sharp end for 2 years, if he then went back to Ducati, he would be 2 years older etc, as it is, he'd beaten himself half to death, and gone for good now, all in 12 months. They only have to worry about Quatrararro now, and unless the Yam gets 15kmh more this year, they can deal with that. BUt you can bet your life that at the minute, they are chucking the kitchen sink full of cash at Fabio's agent to see if they can get him on the Honda, so Marc can be unchallenged in 2020.
Without the injuries I believe Jorge would've won on the Honda, podiums would have happened this year; without the unfortunate start at Jerez that could very well have been the first. But it didn't pan out that way, we've lost a great rider and the best bike in the paddock is without a rider, unexpectedly.
Neil1300r said:
HRC are more likely to promote Nakagami to the full HRC team. They would love a Japanese rider to up the front / winning.
I thought that but also considered the sponsors of the LCR ran bike would be unhappy. I would be unsurprised if Taka got the seat and LCR ran one bike next year, although disappointed (awfyawfyawfy!)yonex said:
egor110 said:
Well we could say the same about Rossi.
From the the goat to lucky to get top 10 this year , hanging around taking up a seat.
Lol, comparing Rossi, whose passionate about the sport to Lorenzo is daft. Rossi is a bigger name than JL will ever be.From the the goat to lucky to get top 10 this year , hanging around taking up a seat.
king disaster , if next years as bad he should just go .Gassing Station | Biker Banter | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff