Three jailed for dangerous driving
Discussion
vonforgetful said:
You can ride a bike, without approaching anything near a saint
By saint you mean lawful, therefore you do have your own happy little place, beyond the law.Therefore, you’re no better than anyone else and are full of crap. Despite the attempts to sugar coat it. Got to love a hypocrite.
TommyBuoy said:
vonhosen said:
TommyBuoy said:
vonhosen said:
Solocle said:
TommyBuoy said:
I was under the impression that dangerous driving where there was risk of injury was a mandatory custodial sentence anyway?
I haven't read that much of the thread tbh as watching their riding, twice the speed limit in residential areas, plus other elements of the ride, should be fairly obvious that the sentence would be imprisonment.
Whether it should be or not from a 'fairness' perspective is too subjective as we have all no doubt pushed the limits (and law) at times.
Just can't not think 'right time right place' and why you would film it!
I mean, I'd say that, by definition, dangerous driving involves "risk of injury". And I'd be totally up for mandatory custodial sentencing for all DD (bar severe mitigating circumstances like trying to avoid someone trying to run you off the road).I haven't read that much of the thread tbh as watching their riding, twice the speed limit in residential areas, plus other elements of the ride, should be fairly obvious that the sentence would be imprisonment.
Whether it should be or not from a 'fairness' perspective is too subjective as we have all no doubt pushed the limits (and law) at times.
Just can't not think 'right time right place' and why you would film it!
What doesn't sit well is that the sentencing for this is so severe when you hear cases like these - https://metro.co.uk/2004/03/16/dangerous-driver-es...https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-wes...
At the end of the day, the danger posed to others by a motorcyclist is significantly less than the equivalent nonsense performed in a car.
Different offences, different potential sentences & sentencing guidelines.
Sentencing guidelines where 'showing off, excessive speed in built up area' reckons a mandatory custodial sentence of 10 weeks.
Dangerous is the description attributed to his driving by the author, not the statutory definition of it.
Edited by vonhosen on Tuesday 3rd December 17:40
Just re read it, how did he not get time for that!
yonex said:
Esceptico said:
These type of threads tend to be the same. Bunch of blokes who habitually break speeding limits (and may indulge in other behaviour considered illegal eg wheelies, overtaking on double white lines) get outraged at people being sentenced for doing just that. Like listening to a bunch of professional thieves moaning about harsh sentencing for a bit of light pilfering!
Mumsnet for you as well. I guess you don’t actually ride a bike, with that snowflake attitude? Solocle said:
TommyBuoy said:
vonhosen said:
TommyBuoy said:
vonhosen said:
Solocle said:
TommyBuoy said:
I was under the impression that dangerous driving where there was risk of injury was a mandatory custodial sentence anyway?
I haven't read that much of the thread tbh as watching their riding, twice the speed limit in residential areas, plus other elements of the ride, should be fairly obvious that the sentence would be imprisonment.
Whether it should be or not from a 'fairness' perspective is too subjective as we have all no doubt pushed the limits (and law) at times.
Just can't not think 'right time right place' and why you would film it!
I mean, I'd say that, by definition, dangerous driving involves "risk of injury". And I'd be totally up for mandatory custodial sentencing for all DD (bar severe mitigating circumstances like trying to avoid someone trying to run you off the road).I haven't read that much of the thread tbh as watching their riding, twice the speed limit in residential areas, plus other elements of the ride, should be fairly obvious that the sentence would be imprisonment.
Whether it should be or not from a 'fairness' perspective is too subjective as we have all no doubt pushed the limits (and law) at times.
Just can't not think 'right time right place' and why you would film it!
What doesn't sit well is that the sentencing for this is so severe when you hear cases like these - https://metro.co.uk/2004/03/16/dangerous-driver-es...https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-wes...
At the end of the day, the danger posed to others by a motorcyclist is significantly less than the equivalent nonsense performed in a car.
Different offences, different potential sentences & sentencing guidelines.
Sentencing guidelines where 'showing off, excessive speed in built up area' reckons a mandatory custodial sentence of 10 weeks.
Dangerous is the description attributed to his driving by the author, not the statutory definition of it.
Edited by vonhosen on Tuesday 3rd December 17:40
Just re read it, how did he not get time for that!
It's what's in the statements that matters, not what's in the news rags.
Esceptico said:
You are the snowflake here. I know that if I speed and get caught I have to face the consequences. You just come across as some stupid kid wailing “it’s not fair!” Grow up and grows some balls too. If you break the law don’t whinge about punishment. If you don’t like it then take up crochet. The majority of the people in the UK would likely increase sentences for such behaviour, not decrease them. You are the one living in a bubble and getting support on here because it is an echo chamber. Personally I have enjoyed many years of riding enthusiastically in the UK and have never had a problem with the police. But then I try to find good roads that are fun to ride but don’t have much traffic, I don’t speed in town or on motorways/ A roads and try to avoid being a dick and upsetting other road users (I’m not perfect at that). And I certainly dont film myself and post it on social media.
Ah, hypocrite.You see I’m not complaining. I’ve ridden really poorly on occasion and sometimes got away with it. I didn’t post on the internet when I got my punishment, I didn’t complain dear.
What I’m saying is we’ve all done it, so stop being so f
king judgemental. Unless you’re beyond reproach that is?
yonex said:
vonforgetful said:
You can ride a bike, without approaching anything near a saint
By saint you mean lawful, therefore you do have your own happy little place, beyond the law.Therefore, you’re no better than anyone else and are full of crap. Despite the attempts to sugar coat it. Got to love a hypocrite.
I'll take responsibility for my choices/actions & won't be wailing it's not fair. I'm also quite happy to criticise
levels of riding that i'd never engage in when I see it.Whilst you can spit & cry in the corner, like a petulant child.
None of us are perfect, but that doesn't mean we are all
vonhosen said:
If you can't see the differences between say doing 71 in a 70 & what's in the video you've got problems (but we knew that anyway).
I'll take responsibility for my choices/actions & won't be wailing it's not fair.
Whilst you can spit & cry in the corner, like a petulant child.
No, that’s not it.I'll take responsibility for my choices/actions & won't be wailing it's not fair.
Whilst you can spit & cry in the corner, like a petulant child.
You’re happy to castigate others for breaking the law but seemingly also ok with your own bending of it?
f
k all to do with moaning about being caught and all about personal risk. You are as happy as the next man to break the law, so drop the Judge Dredd act.yonex said:
vonhosen said:
If you can't see the differences between say doing 71 in a 70 & what's in the video you've got problems (but we knew that anyway).
I'll take responsibility for my choices/actions & won't be wailing it's not fair.
Whilst you can spit & cry in the corner, like a petulant child.
No, that’s not it.I'll take responsibility for my choices/actions & won't be wailing it's not fair.
Whilst you can spit & cry in the corner, like a petulant child.
You’re happy to castigate others for breaking the law but seemingly also ok with your own bending of it?
f
k all to do with moaning about being caught and all about personal risk. You are as happy as the next man to break the law, so drop the Judge Dredd act.I am because their riding was
& amounted to dangerous driving.vonhosen said:
If they were doing 71 in a 70 I wouldn't be castigating them, I wouldn't give a damn, so it's not about merely breaking the law.
I am because their riding was & amounted to dangerous driving.
It’s got fI am because their riding was
& amounted to dangerous driving.k all to do with you actually. But now you’ve become this righteous warrior, and have admitted to breaking the law yourself, you need to explain.Or keep deflecting. You know you’re a bloody hypocrite. Just admit it.
yonex said:
vonhosen said:
If they were doing 71 in a 70 I wouldn't be castigating them, I wouldn't give a damn, so it's not about merely breaking the law.
I am because their riding was & amounted to dangerous driving.
It’s got fI am because their riding was
& amounted to dangerous driving.k all to do with you actually. But now you’ve become this righteous warrior, and have admitted to breaking the law yourself, you need to explain.Or keep deflecting. You know you’re a bloody hypocrite. Just admit it.
You don't understand what hypocrisy is though.
I've already said I wouldn't do what they did, so being critical of it is not hypocrisy.
yonex said:
Esceptico said:
You are the snowflake here. I know that if I speed and get caught I have to face the consequences. You just come across as some stupid kid wailing “it’s not fair!” Grow up and grows some balls too. If you break the law don’t whinge about punishment. If you don’t like it then take up crochet. The majority of the people in the UK would likely increase sentences for such behaviour, not decrease them. You are the one living in a bubble and getting support on here because it is an echo chamber. Personally I have enjoyed many years of riding enthusiastically in the UK and have never had a problem with the police. But then I try to find good roads that are fun to ride but don’t have much traffic, I don’t speed in town or on motorways/ A roads and try to avoid being a dick and upsetting other road users (I’m not perfect at that). And I certainly dont film myself and post it on social media.
Ah, hypocrite.You see I’m not complaining. I’ve ridden really poorly on occasion and sometimes got away with it. I didn’t post on the internet when I got my punishment, I didn’t complain dear.
What I’m saying is we’ve all done it, so stop being so f
king judgemental. Unless you’re beyond reproach that is?
Craig W said:
Prison seems excessive and truly ruins people’s lives and future prospects when they get out.
Surely a lifetime ban from riding a bike again would be more appropriate? It’s not a necessity, and I’m sure given the choice of that or prison most would choose that option?
fSurely a lifetime ban from riding a bike again would be more appropriate? It’s not a necessity, and I’m sure given the choice of that or prison most would choose that option?
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