Advanced Riding - IAM/Resource

[Donbot]

I do think extra training is a good thing, but I've always been a bit skeptical about IAM/Bikesafe.

What sort of things are people normally pulled up on when riding? If it isn't for new riders, what is it for?

[Dr Jekyll]

Donbot said:

I do think extra training is a good thing, but I've always been a bit skeptical about IAM/Bikesafe.

What sort of things are people normally pulled up on when riding? If it isn't for new riders, what is it for?

Very often positioning, through a complex set of hazards having a second opinion from another rider following can be useful feedback.

One guy I was riding with did an overtake past a side turning which I suspect was an uncharacteristic lapse. But without the observer pointing it out I don't think he'd have realised he'd done it.

With me is was the kind of things I occasionally noticed myself and thought 'I really should have handled that better', but sometimes the observer noticed when I didn't.

It's coaching rather than instruction, and when done properly more about standards than technique.

[Bungleaio]

I got a lot out of extra tuition but I also got a lot from just getting out and riding as much as possible.

My timeline has been never ridden a bike but driven for 20 years, cbt june 2017, passed mod 2 having only done DAS sept 2017. Rode about 1500 miles then did the enhanced rider scheme in march 2018. Rode as much as I could then started IAM in may 2019. I had 5 observed rides then had the IAM test in December 2019.

The enhanced course really gave me a boost and set me off on the right path https://www.gov.uk/enhanced-rider-scheme It's like an intermediate between learning to pass the test and the advanced techniques taught by the IAM.

Any extra training is recommended even if you don't go the whole hog and sit the test, I'd like to do the car IAM training now.

[black-k1]

Donbot said:

I do think extra training is a good thing, but I've always been a bit skeptical about IAM/Bikesafe.

What sort of things are people normally pulled up on when riding? If it isn't for new riders, what is it for?

I think the key thing with advanced training courses is deciding what you want to get from them. If you are doing them to simply pass their test then I can see why you might be a little skeptical. Doing them to learn from others, to understand their techniques and approaches and to have someone review your riding is worth while. Like all advice, you can choose to ignore it as long as you've considered it first and understand your reasons for ignoring it, but it all adds to and enhances your understanding of what you do and why you do it. Taking that approach has meant I've got something out of every advanced riding course I've done.

[3nduro]

for the OP or anyone reading this what I'd say is ... by all means read the text here but why not let the ride decide

LAM have a free taster so you can see whats involved

https://www.l-a-m.org/pages/free-taster

Come for a ride and stop sitting in your armchair typing on forums (he said sitting in his armchair)

[ashleyman]

3nduro said:

for the OP or anyone reading this what I'd say is ... by all means read the text here but why not let the ride decide

LAM have a free taster so you can see whats involved

https://www.l-a-m.org/pages/free-taster

Come for a ride and stop sitting in your armchair typing on forums (he said sitting in his armchair)

For me, it's more about knowing I'm to standard before wasting your/my time.

[7w7]

Bikesafe was well worth doing.

I think one of the best things you can do is build your 'brain stamina' by doing long rides. It helps you recognise when your concentration is dropping.

I don't feel the need to do further training.

[wa16]

i'd be tempted to go for some tuition at the pointy end rather than a diluted interpretation of road craft delivered by well meaning volunteers that may vary in standard and interpretation with their own pet hates/likes from the i am a better rider than you club - if you feel you really need tuition

youtube search advanced motorcycle riding there is loads out there

there is a video by TVP that gets criticism by an "advanced instructor/tutor" in the comments section - which rather proves my point about diluted road craft and personal pet hates

[small}IMHO (as a RoSPA gold holder)[/small]

[small]oooh i used the same word twice in the same sentence one for the grammar nazis[/small]

[Reg Local]

Ok, I’ve made a start on advanced bike content. Not entirely happy with the sound quality, but I’ll keep working on it...

https://youtu.be/CzQmW18NGDM

[anonymous-user]

Reg Local said:

Ok, I’ve made a start on advanced bike content. Not entirely happy with the sound quality, but I’ll keep working on it...

https://youtu.be/CzQmW18NGDM

Really enjoyed that Reg, looking forward to the videos to come!

Also thanks for all the feedback from everyone else. Currently awaiting some non-rainy days to get out on the bike. Fitted some oxford heated grips which should sort my cold hands issue.

[V8RX7]

Reg Local said:

Ok, I’ve made a start on advanced bike content. Not entirely happy with the sound quality, but I’ll keep working on it...

https://youtu.be/CzQmW18NGDM

Honest feedback - delete the first 7 minutes

[Reg Local]

V8RX7 said:

Honest feedback - delete the first 7 minutes

You’re getting me confused with someone who cares about other people’s opinions.

[V8RX7]

Reg Local said:

V8RX7 said:

Honest feedback - delete the first 7 minutes

You’re getting me confused with someone who cares about other people’s opinions.

That explains why your channel has so few subscribers, perhaps if you aimed at the insomniacs market - worked for me.

[snagzie]

Reg Local said:

You’re getting me confused with someone who cares about other people’s opinions.

Then why post it?

[black-k1]

V8RX7 said:

Reg Local said:

Ok, I’ve made a start on advanced bike content. Not entirely happy with the sound quality, but I’ll keep working on it...

https://youtu.be/CzQmW18NGDM

Honest feedback - delete the first 7 minutes

Honest support of honest feedback. First 7 minutes adds nothing to the video and likely to turn people off.

[zzrman]

black-k1 said:

Honest support of honest feedback. First 7 minutes adds nothing to the video and likely to turn people off.

I agree. 7 minutes of tedium. The remaining 11 minutes may be the same but the first 7 finished me off.

IMO if you want to improve your riding then contact these people:

www.rapidtraining.co.uk

[seveb]

zzrman said:

IMO if you want to improve your riding then contact these people:

www.rapidtraining.co.uk

I agree. You want to learn from experts. There are many self appointed experts who think they're great riders and can teach. They are often wrong on both counts and from comments I've heard are in some cases teaching nonsense.

Read the police handbook, learn their system, practice then go on a proper training course with people like rapid.

[outnumbered]

seveb said:

I agree. You want to learn from experts. There are many self appointed experts who think they're great riders and can teach. They are often wrong on both counts and from comments I've heard are in some cases teaching nonsense.

Read the police handbook, learn their system, practice then go on a proper training course with people like rapid.

Since Reg used to be a police instructor, I would say he's probably worth listening to...

I've done IAM training, several Rapid Training days, plus watched all sorts of youtube videos. You can learn a lot from all of them.

[V8RX7]

outnumbered said:

Since Reg used to be a police instructor, I would say he's probably worth listening to...

I've done IAM training, several Rapid Training days, plus watched all sorts of youtube videos. You can learn a lot from all of them.

Watch the first 7 minutes and tell me what you learnt

[Krikkit]

V8RX7 said:

outnumbered said:

Since Reg used to be a police instructor, I would say he's probably worth listening to...

I've done IAM training, several Rapid Training days, plus watched all sorts of youtube videos. You can learn a lot from all of them.

Watch the first 7 minutes and tell me what you learnt

Just because the content isn't there in the first few minutes doesn't mean he isn't qualified...

Fwiw I agree that it was a bit of a slow starter, but as a first crack it's not bad at all.