Advanced Riding - IAM/Resource
Discussion
zzrman said:
I think it counts but where the IAM Observer sticks religiously to the NSL llimits I beg to depart, and I don't mean that I want to ride like a straight line throttle jockey whenever the opportunity presents itself.
Well our group has over 100 observers, I've ridden with a great number of them and I've never been told to "stick religiously to the NSL llimits" when out on a ride.YouWhat said:
Well our IAM Observers have a days training every 2 years with Rapid, paid for by our local IAM to make sure they are still at the correct level. Some of them also have 50 years of riding experience does that count?
Sounds like the London Advanced Motorcycle group when you mention the Rapid connection.(am a LAM member and highly recommend them for South London skills)
YouWhat said:
Well our group has over 100 observers, I've ridden with a great number of them and I've never been told to "stick religiously to the NSL llimits" when out on a ride.
(is this TVAM??)There's a big difference between IAM observation to help someone pass the test, and how people choose to ride outside of the "passing the test" context.
IAM observed rides do require adherence to posted limits - it's a road safety charity so that is not unexpected. This is different to Rapid, who in my experience don't require sticking to NSLs (but also tell you they won't follow if they think you're going too fast).
However, once people have passed their test, they are equipped with skills that can help keep them safe even when not riding within NSL limits. Most people seem to take advantage of that. I was riding with one of those "boring hi viz IAM observers" at the weekend, and we weren't hanging about....
seveb said:
Get some training from a police biker who's spent 20 years escorting, chasing and catching on various roads in terrible conditions and survived to tell the tale. They tend to have a very different attitude and I agree are well worth engaging with for training - well worth the cost.
... with Rapid Training ... you'll come away thinking "I really had no idea I could do that".
I agree with seveb and zzrman about Rapid Training ... with Rapid Training ... you'll come away thinking "I really had no idea I could do that".
Morning all,
Disclaimer - I am a coach for Rapid and thanks to all those that recommend us. We are continuously working hard both on the road and behind the scenes to make sure *our training is the most current, relevant and realistic training on the market. I'll aim to keep the post training generic and not an advert!
In the two years I've coached for Rapid I have come across new riders, experienced riders, back to riding riders, IAM riders, RoSPA riders, advanced drivers, motorcycle journalists and spent the day training Pete Hickman. Not one of those hasn't benefited from some one casting an eye over their riding by either learning something brand new to them, or brushing up and ironing out some bad habits making them a better, smoother more intuitive road rider.
It's never to early, or late in your riding career to have training, and we should definitely be having regular once overs. We even have a coaches training day booked in April where all the coaches (bar two I think) will be getting together. Training is also a good crack, when done with the right people!
As mentioned above we do observer assessments for some of the IAM affiliated clubs which I think is a really great thing. There's a mixed, but generally a high standard of riding and it allows the observers to be given the once over by an outside body ready for that time when some one asks...."When was the last time you were tested"? To those having a dig at IAM sticking to the speed limit....You have to remember that they are are a road safety charity, that of course can not allow or condone that riders go above the speed limit, including the National Speed Limit. They just can't, and nor can Rapid *
There are people of all standards taking on our BIKEMASTER & ROADMASTER courses including people with either IAM or RoSPA advanced tickets. One chap I'm training already has IAM and RoSPA gold, and is tune with the fact that there's always more to learn. We have training to suit all standards.
Happy to waffle on about Rapid on here, PM, our facebook, instagram or email - what ever suits.
OP - As for literature a great place to start in the Motorcycle Roadcraft: The Police Rider's Handbook. It's a tough read, is a little out of date and all too easy be be "ridden literally". As I say, a great place to start. You won't beat getting training from someone, and then continuity building on that as you get more miles in.
Disclaimer - I am a coach for Rapid and thanks to all those that recommend us. We are continuously working hard both on the road and behind the scenes to make sure *our training is the most current, relevant and realistic training on the market. I'll aim to keep the post training generic and not an advert!
In the two years I've coached for Rapid I have come across new riders, experienced riders, back to riding riders, IAM riders, RoSPA riders, advanced drivers, motorcycle journalists and spent the day training Pete Hickman. Not one of those hasn't benefited from some one casting an eye over their riding by either learning something brand new to them, or brushing up and ironing out some bad habits making them a better, smoother more intuitive road rider.
It's never to early, or late in your riding career to have training, and we should definitely be having regular once overs. We even have a coaches training day booked in April where all the coaches (bar two I think) will be getting together. Training is also a good crack, when done with the right people!
As mentioned above we do observer assessments for some of the IAM affiliated clubs which I think is a really great thing. There's a mixed, but generally a high standard of riding and it allows the observers to be given the once over by an outside body ready for that time when some one asks...."When was the last time you were tested"? To those having a dig at IAM sticking to the speed limit....You have to remember that they are are a road safety charity, that of course can not allow or condone that riders go above the speed limit, including the National Speed Limit. They just can't, and nor can Rapid *
There are people of all standards taking on our BIKEMASTER & ROADMASTER courses including people with either IAM or RoSPA advanced tickets. One chap I'm training already has IAM and RoSPA gold, and is tune with the fact that there's always more to learn. We have training to suit all standards.
Happy to waffle on about Rapid on here, PM, our facebook, instagram or email - what ever suits.
OP - As for literature a great place to start in the Motorcycle Roadcraft: The Police Rider's Handbook. It's a tough read, is a little out of date and all too easy be be "ridden literally". As I say, a great place to start. You won't beat getting training from someone, and then continuity building on that as you get more miles in.
I've done IAM - really got on with my instructor and the fact i'd signed up to do the training meant I ended up riding in a real mixture of conditions and at times I otherwise wouldn't. It no doubt improved my riding in a number of ways.
I'd done a bikesafe course first and for the time and money spent Bikesafe is a much better return on investment, but your local IAM is more like a club and there's other stuff going on.
Just do both - it's not really huge money in the scheme of things if you're already riding a bike and well kitted up etc so I can't see the harm in giving it a go.
Rob
I'd done a bikesafe course first and for the time and money spent Bikesafe is a much better return on investment, but your local IAM is more like a club and there's other stuff going on.
Just do both - it's not really huge money in the scheme of things if you're already riding a bike and well kitted up etc so I can't see the harm in giving it a go.
Rob
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