RE: Renaultsport Clio 182 | PH Fleet

RE: Renaultsport Clio 182 | PH Fleet

Monday 6th July 2020

Renaultsport Clio 182 | PH Fleet

It doesn't matter what car you drive, returning to the road post lockdown has been a godsend



With the Clio off the road during the winter months and then immobilized by lockdown having just earned a new MOT, about six months had passed since I'd taken it for a proper drive. Madness. So when restrictions began to lift, new track rod ends went on and I promptly got the geometry reset. Then, one sunny Friday evening, I departed London after work, ending up deep in the High Weald, an area of astounding natural beauty. Three quarters of a tank later, I returned home at 11:30pm.

Before that long overdue date with the countryside, I’d made a few detail changes to the car, including sourcing that lucrative rear window Elf sticker (sold here), fitting a carbon steering wheel centre badge and putting the rear seats back in. The car was looking good – but in truth all of that only part-appeased me during lockdown. What really mattered more was how the car performed; and thankfully, with the capital's speed bumps behind us, things felt right. Really right.


If you’ve had the pleasure of driving through the East Sussex side of the High Weald late in the day, you’ll likely know how glorious it is at sunset. You’re hard pressed to not stop at every peak to take a photo of what surrounds you. The roads are pleasing to the eye, too, but more so to the seat of your pants because they’re generally smooth. For a Clio running Bilstein B14s and stiff polybushes, it’s heaven on Earth. Here the car no longer feels clumsy or brittle, as it does in the city; it breathes over crests and cambers. It flows.

Thanks to the reduced ride height of those adjustable coilovers, along with the lower seating position delivered by the Recaro Pole Position (I peer over the wheel, touring car style), the car’s centre of gravity is much lower than standard. My 182 doesn’t cock an inside wheel like a puppy anymore. That impudent OEM trait has somewhat faded, replaced by more serious responses, with what feels like only a couple of inches of lift when the chassis's loaded up through a bend. Off-throttle, mid-corner rotation is more progressive than in a standard RS Clio, with the axis closer to centre of the 182's footprint. It's less flamboyant, more genuinely racey.


As mentioned in previous reports, the Clio’s front wheels are set at 2.3 degrees of negative camber. Along with the stiffer front ARB bushes, fresh track rod ends and those grippy Dunlops, it means the car feels darty. But not in the modern way, where an EPAS system is hyper away from the straight ahead; the Clio’s hydraulically assisted rack ratio is not particularly quick by 2020 standards. Rather, it’s reactive in a more old school way, where there’s very little slack between your palms and the wheel hubs to delay quickness. With my car’s 330mm, suede-wrapped steering wheel, the feel through the rim is textured, too, and it grows in information as the load increases. After six months, I’d forgotten how rewarding those sensations are.

That being said, I’m not going to start telling you that a 129,000-mile-old Renault’s power steering hardware is a world beater; having recently jumped out of a McLaren 600LT, I'm under no illusion that a humble Clio rack is the best out there. But compared to present-day hot hatches, it’s much more authentic. Partly thanks to the diameter of the wheel, the loading is actually quite high, too. So much so that it’s an effort to turn the wheel at crawling pace, but with speed, the resistance lessens and it feels very natural. I still have a set of polybush rack bushes to go on to unlock a tad more feel from the OEM setup, and I want to fit a strut brace in the coming months to go with the solid top mounts. But right now, I’m really happy with the front end as it is.


The engine, too, feels pretty sweet. Freshly serviced with fully synthetic 5W-40, it pulls hardest from 5,000rpm to 6,500rpm against the soundtrack of a rumbling intake (the K-Tec pipework does a pretty good ITB impression!) and raspy exhaust. The motor feels particularly characterful in the way it flutters and reacts to the car around it; with stiffened engine mounts, bumps, dips and heavy braking make its tune wobble in tandem. It's so brilliantly reactive, heel-and-toeing is genuinely rewarding. Why don’t more manufacturers fit throttle pedal extensions to their cars like Renault did on the 182? It makes rolling your foot from pedal to pedal gratifyingly easy.

That evening drive is one I don’t think I’ll forget for a while. The way the nose bobbed into bends under load, the lovely, steering wheel-straightening mid-corner rotation and F4R's enthusiasm – it was bliss. Up there with some of the best drives I’ve enjoyed in far, far more exotic cars, and not just because this one's mine. The sunset helped, of course, as did the empty roads. But mostly, it's because the Clio is now at the stage where it demonstrates why balance, poise and fluidity are the things you wish for in a driver's car. It makes it hard to put away. And doubly happy that we're all back on the road in time for summer.


FACT SHEET
Car:
 2004 Renault Clio Renaultsport 182
Run by: Sam Sheehan
Bought: May 2011
Mileage at purchase: 74,457
Mileage now: 129,123
Last month at a glance: The Clio revels as freedom returns and the sunshine takes hold

Previous reports:
A Clio joins the fleet
The wheel refurb
Back on track
PH Sporting Tour
A sort-of breakdown
Donington dreaming
A new dent
One last niggle before winter rest
Off to bed
A spring awakening
New front anti-roll bar bushes
Lockdown tweaks







Author
Discussion

CarlosSainz100

Original Poster:

495 posts

120 months

Monday 6th July 2020
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Whilst I do like hearing about Sam's Clio 182 his writing sometimes descends into far too much 'tread shuffle' talk. I often have absolutely no idea what he's writing about......

Cambs_Stuart

2,869 posts

84 months

Monday 6th July 2020
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I agree with Sam. The beauty of these cars is that they are huge fun at modest speeds.
They also respond well to some minor tweaks, like poly bushes in the right places and a subtle re-working of the driving position.
I need to give my 172 a bit of attention...

ricmcl14

45 posts

66 months

Monday 6th July 2020
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Brilliantly written - I really enjoyed this. This is why I love older cars! It's always really refreshing to read about someones personal car as opposed to the 'we got new tyres on our long term press car' norm. I'm massively with Sam on the throttle pedal extensions - the STi pedal set makes an unbelievable difference as to how old Impreza's can be driven. Especially useful when it comes to keeping a turbo spinning. More of these please PH.

GTiWILL

780 posts

78 months

Monday 6th July 2020
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CarlosSainz100 said:
Whilst I do like hearing about Sam's Clio 182 his writing sometimes descends into far too much 'tread shuffle' talk. I often have absolutely no idea what he's writing about......
I thought it was well written with a sense of passion that only an owner would impress upon their review.

I suppose you can’t please everybody all of the time though smile

plenty

4,690 posts

186 months

Monday 6th July 2020
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I also enjoyed the writing. Social media has dumbed us down so much these days. It's refreshing to read someone who writes expressively and takes pride in their choice of words.

FA57REN

1,020 posts

55 months

Monday 6th July 2020
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Sam said:
including sourcing that lucrative rear window Elf sticker
Huh, the first thing I did was remove the Elf sticker. If they're not paying me for advertising their brand...

It's a shame that the 182 in this fleet is modified so much from OEM, it's nice that he enjoys driving it ( I sort of gathered through the waffley prose ) but makes it less useful as a yardstick for anyone considering buying one.

drewos

161 posts

184 months

Monday 6th July 2020
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FA57REN said:
Huh, the first thing I did was remove the Elf sticker. If they're not paying me for advertising their brand...

It's a shame that the 182 in this fleet is modified so much from OEM, it's nice that he enjoys driving it ( I sort of gathered through the waffley prose ) but makes it less useful as a yardstick for anyone considering buying one.
Agree to a point but a 1*2 has a terrible driving position and being 6ft4 and no reach adjustment on the steering wheel a deep dish one is essential, that and sparco semi buckets for me made it a bit better....

Cambs_Stuart

2,869 posts

84 months

Monday 6th July 2020
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I improved the driving potion in my 172 by swapping the standard 172 wheel for one from a clio 197. Both cars didn't have cruise control, so it was plug and play, just needed a spacer so the 197 wheel didn't rub on the cowling. It does makes the indicator stalk a slight stretch, but I've only got little hands.
Some of the enjoyment I get from cars is to tinker with them; parts for these are cheap, they are relatively easy to work on and there is plenty of online resources to help.

plenty

4,690 posts

186 months

Monday 6th July 2020
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FA57REN said:
It's a shame that the 182 in this fleet is modified so much from OEM, it's nice that he enjoys driving it ( I sort of gathered through the waffley prose ) but makes it less useful as a yardstick for anyone considering buying one.
And makes it more useful for people interested in sympathetic modifications to improve the car.

jayxx83

504 posts

196 months

Monday 6th July 2020
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One of the best cars ever imo. I did the same. A nice set of cobra misano carbon buckets and a carbon bonnet changed the experience.

55k miles of all hard driving and unfortunately it ended by being rear ended. Would love to go back again.

photo_ed

1,852 posts

207 months

Monday 6th July 2020
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Great read. Has me eager to get my 182 Trophy back out of lockdown storage and out on some good roads in the coming weeks.

Leicester Loyal

4,546 posts

122 months

Monday 6th July 2020
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Wheels look great, what a car too, I love them.

icekay

222 posts

132 months

Tuesday 7th July 2020
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Modifications are a tricky, very personal thing. The more you add on, the higher the chance it might put someone off if you eventually decide that "keeper" has to go.

I for one have been lusting after one of these for a long time and happen to think Sam's mods are spot on! If you ever think of selling it on... wink

humphra

481 posts

92 months

Tuesday 7th July 2020
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Loved reading this, so thanks, Sam. So nice to read an article where the emotion comes through of being involved and for simply enjoying driving the car.

For those who mention modifications in a negative light - you should try it one day. It takes car ownership to another level, as the car becomes much more personal to you, since you've invested a bit of yourself in it to make it uniquely yours.

SidewaysSi

10,742 posts

234 months

Tuesday 7th July 2020
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humphra said:
Loved reading this, so thanks, Sam. So nice to read an article where the emotion comes through of being involved and for simply enjoying driving the car.

For those who mention modifications in a negative light - you should try it one day. It takes car ownership to another level, as the car becomes much more personal to you, since you've invested a bit of yourself in it to make it uniquely yours.
Yep - any car of this age will be way past its best so things will need refreshing. I always upgrade my cars as inevitably you can add some extra focus.

mooseracer

1,886 posts

170 months

Tuesday 7th July 2020
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plenty said:
And makes it more useful for people interested in sympathetic modifications to improve the car.
Agreed - it isn't intended to be a buyers guide article, but a journal of the ownership.

GibsonSG

276 posts

111 months

Tuesday 7th July 2020
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I had a modified 182 on loan from RS Four Ashes (thank you Floyd for such an appropriate loaner) while my 275 Cup-S was in for service. I absolutely loved the 182. A real little ragamuffin of a car. Yes, the Meg felt like a more senior performance Renault, but that Clio had me grinning from ear to ear.

Jon_S_Rally

3,406 posts

88 months

Tuesday 7th July 2020
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FA57REN said:
It's a shame that the 182 in this fleet is modified so much from OEM, it's nice that he enjoys driving it ( I sort of gathered through the waffley prose ) but makes it less useful as a yardstick for anyone considering buying one.
Most of these Clios are probably modified in some way now, so having a modified one on the fleet is probably pretty sensible!

DaveyBoyWonder

2,502 posts

174 months

Tuesday 7th July 2020
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Really tempted to get a 1*2 as a "sensible daily" (which will inevitably lead to me turning up to work at the office in a loud, stripped out, bucket seated thing).

[scuttles off to eBay/Autotrader/classifieds]

humphra

481 posts

92 months

Tuesday 7th July 2020
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DaveyBoyWonder said:
[scuttles off to eBay/Autotrader/classifieds]
I'm waaaaay ahead of you biggrin