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amgmcqueen

3,349 posts

151 months

Monday 19th October 2020
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Far Cough said:
Cal complaining of a slipping clutch which marred his race. Those Suzuki`s on that left hander just undertaking anything in front. Fantastic race.
Never his fault is it...

Cheeses of Nazareth

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789 posts

52 months

Monday 19th October 2020
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amgmcqueen said:
Never his fault is it...
Unless he is the mechanic on the bike, no.

hiccy18

2,690 posts

68 months

Monday 19th October 2020
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To be fair would explain why he fell back so far after an initially cracking start. Fabio had front tyre pressure problem apparently, looked like a front tyre problem from the couch.

Roll on next round, I'm drooling with anticipation, can't remember the last time we had three such great races in one weekend.

Centurion07

10,381 posts

248 months

Monday 19th October 2020
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Cheeses of Nazareth said:
amgmcqueen said:
Never his fault is it...
Unless he is the mechanic on the bike, no.
biggrin

He seemed to manage in every session up till the race as well so clearly he just decided not to try on the Sunday. rofl

egor110

16,876 posts

204 months

Monday 19th October 2020
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Centurion07 said:
Cheeses of Nazareth said:
amgmcqueen said:
Never his fault is it...
Unless he is the mechanic on the bike, no.
biggrin

He seemed to manage in every session up till the race as well so clearly he just decided not to try on the Sunday. rofl
This is the trouble though for crutchlow , for his few great results there are more midtable mediocrities or worse dnf.

With the likes of rins, mir , Marquez, bagnaia, quattararo being middle aged and average is no longer good enough ( unless you have a huge sponsor who buys your ride)

ddom

6,657 posts

49 months

Monday 19th October 2020
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egor110 said:
This is the trouble though for crutchlow , for his few great results there are more midtable mediocrities or worse dnf.

With the likes of rins, mir , Marquez, bagnaia, quattararo being middle aged and average is no longer good enough ( unless you have a huge sponsor who buys your ride)
Crutchlow, ‘average’, have a word with yourself!

unident

6,702 posts

52 months

Monday 19th October 2020
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Centurion07 said:
Cheeses of Nazareth said:
amgmcqueen said:
Never his fault is it...
Unless he is the mechanic on the bike, no.
biggrin

He seemed to manage in every session up till the race as well so clearly he just decided not to try on the Sunday. rofl
Can someone explain the difference between Crutchlow having a st race and being defended compared to Vinales having one and getting slaughtered for it?

Also, Lorenzo got hammered in the comments a few races ago for once throwing his gloves about in the pit garage, for being unprofessional and a child. Dovi seems to have got a free pass for his hissy fit. Can someone plain the difference? I’m guessing that Lorenzo threw his left glove and Dovi his right so there’s different meanings behind it or something.

Centurion07

10,381 posts

248 months

Monday 19th October 2020
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unident said:
Can someone explain the difference between Crutchlow having a st race and being defended compared to Vinales having one and getting slaughtered for it?

Also, Lorenzo got hammered in the comments a few races ago for once throwing his gloves about in the pit garage, for being unprofessional and a child. Dovi seems to have got a free pass for his hissy fit. Can someone plain the difference? I’m guessing that Lorenzo threw his left glove and Dovi his right so there’s different meanings behind it or something.
Maybe because Cal isn't on a works bike and has never been hailed as the second coming...? confused

Also, he doesn't tend to do his fastest lap in the last 2 or 3 laps of a race. And he's nearing the end of his career. And I've just realised who I've been responding to. rolleyes

You're that guy that did the "Leave Britney alone!!!" video a few years back aren't you?

Edited by Centurion07 on Monday 19th October 15:58

crankedup

25,764 posts

244 months

Monday 19th October 2020
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covmutley said:
Hugely enjoyed the race today. Very interesting to watch the different bikes taking different lines through the corners. Marquez pushing hard to the end on the ragged edge.

Moto gp is so much better to watch than f1!
It certainly is, I gave up on F1 then went back to it when some young guns won a drive and spiced the racing up. But it’s drifting back into the bore fest sadly. Moto GP , Moto 2 and Moto 3 all provide fantastic racing spectacles. Outstanding skills and bravery from all of the riders and the television
coverage is simply stunning in terms of visuals and excellent commentary.

Gixer968CS

599 posts

89 months

Monday 19th October 2020
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unident said:
Centurion07 said:
Cheeses of Nazareth said:
amgmcqueen said:
Never his fault is it...
Unless he is the mechanic on the bike, no.
biggrin

He seemed to manage in every session up till the race as well so clearly he just decided not to try on the Sunday. rofl
Can someone explain the difference between Crutchlow having a st race and being defended compared to Vinales having one and getting slaughtered for it?

Also, Lorenzo got hammered in the comments a few races ago for once throwing his gloves about in the pit garage, for being unprofessional and a child. Dovi seems to have got a free pass for his hissy fit. Can someone plain the difference? I’m guessing that Lorenzo threw his left glove and Dovi his right so there’s different meanings behind it or something.
I think what we all know about Cal is that he's a trier. Sometimes that means he crashes a bit too much, but you know he's always on it. He himself admits he isn't the most talented rider out there and so you can excuse him finishing mid pack. Vinales on the other hand was seen as the next superstar when Yamaha nicked him from Suzuki. He is very definitely one of the fast riders, but his form is totally unpredictable. He recently described how he was "cruising around" in a race - one a works bike! Where as you get the impression Cal is always trying, with Vinales you rather feel he throws in the mental towel if he's having to battle anyone.

Cheeses of Nazareth

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789 posts

52 months

Monday 19th October 2020
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unident said:
Can someone explain the difference between Crutchlow having a st race and being defended compared to Vinales having one and getting slaughtered for it?

Also, Lorenzo got hammered in the comments a few races ago for once throwing his gloves about in the pit garage, for being unprofessional and a child. Dovi seems to have got a free pass for his hissy fit. Can someone plain the difference? I’m guessing that Lorenzo threw his left glove and Dovi his right so there’s different meanings behind it or something.
Crutchlow finished 9 seconds off the win, after 41 mins of racing , and still has an arm injury that you would moan stops you typing .

He is on arguably the worst bike on the grid this year (apart from Aprilia), and has missed races while recovering from what would be season ending surgery.

Vinales has the best bike on the grid, and manages to consistently under deliver with it.


egor110

16,876 posts

204 months

Monday 19th October 2020
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ddom said:
egor110 said:
This is the trouble though for crutchlow , for his few great results there are more midtable mediocrities or worse dnf.

With the likes of rins, mir , Marquez, bagnaia, quattararo being middle aged and average is no longer good enough ( unless you have a huge sponsor who buys your ride)
Crutchlow, ‘average’, have a word with yourself!
Like i said up against these young riders rins, mir, alex m , quattararo , bagnaia he is .

Just to clarify im not saying he's st just this year the game has moved on .

He's had a awesome career but it can't last forever just to tick the British rider box




Edited by egor110 on Monday 19th October 17:23

FourWheelDrift

88,547 posts

285 months

Monday 19th October 2020
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Far Cough said:
Those Suzuki`s on that left hander just undertaking anything in front. Fantastic race.
And then Marquez went even tighter inside them at the last corner.

Cheeses of Nazareth

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789 posts

52 months

Monday 19th October 2020
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egor110 said:
Like i said up against these young riders rins, mir, alex m , quattararo , bagnaia he is .

Just to clarify im not saying he's st just this year the game has moved on .

He's had a awesome career but it can't last forever just to tick the British rider box




Edited by egor110 on Monday 19th October 17:23
No, the game hasnt moved on, the bikes are now as equal as they have ever been, thanks to good rules.

The 'tugger' or the field is Rabat, who finished 25 secs off the win. Nobody in that class is undeserving of being there.

So now you can see who can ride, and not who has 20hp more and tyres nobody else has.

He is a capable of winning as everyone else out there. And seeing what Marquez did, i would not be surprised to see Cal on the box next weekend.



egor110

16,876 posts

204 months

Monday 19th October 2020
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Cheeses of Nazareth said:
egor110 said:
Like i said up against these young riders rins, mir, alex m , quattararo , bagnaia he is .

Just to clarify im not saying he's st just this year the game has moved on .

He's had a awesome career but it can't last forever just to tick the British rider box




Edited by egor110 on Monday 19th October 17:23
No, the game hasnt moved on, the bikes are now as equal as they have ever been, thanks to good rules.

The 'tugger' or the field is Rabat, who finished 25 secs off the win. Nobody in that class is undeserving of being there.

So now you can see who can ride, and not who has 20hp more and tyres nobody else has.

He is a capable of winning as everyone else out there. And seeing what Marquez did, i would not be surprised to see Cal on the box next weekend.
Do you want a charity bet on that ?

unident

6,702 posts

52 months

Monday 19th October 2020
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Centurion07 said:
Maybe because Cal isn't on a works bike and has never been hailed as the second coming...? confused

Also, he doesn't tend to do his fastest lap in the last 2 or 3 laps of a race. And he's nearing the end of his career. And I've just realised who I've been responding to. rolleyes

You're that guy that did the "Leave Britney alone!!!" video a few years back aren't you?

Edited by Centurion07 on Monday 19th October 15:58
Well apart from the factory bike that’s he’s on.

It’s funny to see the reactions of you and others though. Crutchlow went backwards in a race due to a slipping clutch. Vinales did the same a few races back in Austria and got slaughtered for it.

I quite like Crutchlow he’s a nutter and seems to have the right outlook on things. It’s bizarre how when I’m looking for an explanation in the lack of consistently in slagging off riders all I get is poor reasoning and a few insults.

What does that Britney video bit mean?

Why is nobody questioning the fact the leader of the championship hasn’t won a race? If that’s true at the end of the year will people be happy with that?

Centurion07

10,381 posts

248 months

Monday 19th October 2020
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unident said:
Centurion07 said:
Maybe because Cal isn't on a works bike and has never been hailed as the second coming...? confused

Also, he doesn't tend to do his fastest lap in the last 2 or 3 laps of a race. And he's nearing the end of his career. And I've just realised who I've been responding to. rolleyes

You're that guy that did the "Leave Britney alone!!!" video a few years back aren't you?

Edited by Centurion07 on Monday 19th October 15:58
Well apart from the factory bike that’s he’s on.

It’s funny to see the reactions of you and others though. Crutchlow went backwards in a race due to a slipping clutch. Vinales did the same a few races back in Austria and got slaughtered for it.

I quite like Crutchlow he’s a nutter and seems to have the right outlook on things. It’s bizarre how when I’m looking for an explanation in the lack of consistently in slagging off riders all I get is poor reasoning and a few insults.

What does that Britney video bit mean?

Why is nobody questioning the fact the leader of the championship hasn’t won a race? If that’s true at the end of the year will people be happy with that?
You make me laugh. You seem to like moaning about others moaning.

Vinales didn't get slaughtered for going backwards due to a slipping clutch. He got slaughtered UNTIL it was discovered it was a clutch problem at which point people went "fair enough" and as has been mentioned, he was the next big thing on a factory bike in a factory TEAM with all the expertise and personnel that entails. THAT'S why he gets ripped.

As for the lack of race wins, in THIS season it's not really a surprise. This year is without precedent in every way.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wG_h3U568w








Edited by Centurion07 on Monday 19th October 19:17

egor110

16,876 posts

204 months

Monday 19th October 2020
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Being in a factory team isn't the pinnacle it used to be , look at Yamaha all that experience and there being embarrassed by Petronas.


Centurion07

10,381 posts

248 months

Monday 19th October 2020
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egor110 said:
Being in a factory team isn't the pinnacle it used to be , look at Yamaha all that experience and there being embarrassed by Petronas.
True, but the fact remains that a manufacturer has chosen him, over all others.

That means that people with vastly more experience and vastly better eyes for talent than the rest of us have decided that he has what's required. At the moment he's coming up decidedly short.

ajprice

27,503 posts

197 months

Monday 19th October 2020
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Aren't the satellite bikes mechanically the same as the works team bikes without the full manufacturer support or updates through the year? (although updates aren't probably much this year).