Electric mega sports bikes?
Discussion
srob said:
What are you going on about?
They change the contents of the tank. Changing batteries will be changing the contents of the fairing that holds the cells. Absolutely the same thing.
I find it really bizarre how anti people are of electric bikes. I genuinely can’t see how people can’t be excited to be at the start of a curve. Thank god 120 years ago people were more open minded or you wouldn’t have your Fireblades.
come off it.They change the contents of the tank. Changing batteries will be changing the contents of the fairing that holds the cells. Absolutely the same thing.
I find it really bizarre how anti people are of electric bikes. I genuinely can’t see how people can’t be excited to be at the start of a curve. Thank god 120 years ago people were more open minded or you wouldn’t have your Fireblades.
so I guess you like bikes? so you like the TT? The TT is the ultimate road race, I' not anti EV. Just bikes are one of the few places it doesn't work.
In a TT, its like riding on the road, you currently wouldn't ride a bike and swap the fuel cell at a fuel station for a replacement.
jason61c said:
srob said:
What are you going on about?
They change the contents of the tank. Changing batteries will be changing the contents of the fairing that holds the cells. Absolutely the same thing.
I find it really bizarre how anti people are of electric bikes. I genuinely can’t see how people can’t be excited to be at the start of a curve. Thank god 120 years ago people were more open minded or you wouldn’t have your Fireblades.
come off it.They change the contents of the tank. Changing batteries will be changing the contents of the fairing that holds the cells. Absolutely the same thing.
I find it really bizarre how anti people are of electric bikes. I genuinely can’t see how people can’t be excited to be at the start of a curve. Thank god 120 years ago people were more open minded or you wouldn’t have your Fireblades.
so I guess you like bikes? so you like the TT? The TT is the ultimate road race, I' not anti EV. Just bikes are one of the few places it doesn't work.
In a TT, its like riding on the road, you currently wouldn't ride a bike and swap the fuel cell at a fuel station for a replacement.
Yeah I like bikes. I follow the TT, have done for the last 30-odd years. Haven’t been, probably not going to as although I like it it’s not the be-all for me but I respect it is for many bike fans. I don’t think you have to be obsessed by the TT to be a “biker”.
You don’t seem to be able to grasp that changing a fuel cell is basically what you’re doing when you fill a bike up with petrol. The only difference is the fuel has gone from a bike so you’re replenishing it back into the same ‘cell’. The principle is the same. You mentioned changing engines earlier - you do know we’re not talking about changing motors here, only the fuel that turns the motor/engine, right?
And personally I’m not particularly interested in having an electric bike, certainly not an electric Superbike but then I don’t want an ICE one either. Doesn’t mean I can’t be interested in them though and excited to see where the technology goes. But then that’s the industry I’m in and I’m pleased it’s a pretty open minded place to work or I’d find it massively restricted reading some of the closed mind comments on here!
One more thing against electric bikes and cars. We've been told that during severe winters we have come as a nation very close to electrical supply capacity limit. Won't it be fun when 10 million people plug their vehicles in at 5 to 7 pm! When all the lorries and buses put the chargers on in unison. Lights out anyone? Lovely!
The bottom line is that as pure transport, any fuel will do. But my original post was mega sports bikes and NO single speed silent bike will ever, ever come close for FUN as something like my R1 or 1299 Panigale or my soon to arrive 1200 Speed triple. No way.
We can all admit that 200 bhp is more than enough on the road for a sports bike. So then, it is all about how you make the power and some ways are far better than others.
You could get 200 bhp from an electric pack. You could get it from a 2 litre diesel automatic.
Give me a screaming 1000cc-1200cc petrol manual every single time.
The bottom line is that as pure transport, any fuel will do. But my original post was mega sports bikes and NO single speed silent bike will ever, ever come close for FUN as something like my R1 or 1299 Panigale or my soon to arrive 1200 Speed triple. No way.
We can all admit that 200 bhp is more than enough on the road for a sports bike. So then, it is all about how you make the power and some ways are far better than others.
You could get 200 bhp from an electric pack. You could get it from a 2 litre diesel automatic.
Give me a screaming 1000cc-1200cc petrol manual every single time.
srob said:
jason61c said:
srob said:
What are you going on about?
They change the contents of the tank. Changing batteries will be changing the contents of the fairing that holds the cells. Absolutely the same thing.
I find it really bizarre how anti people are of electric bikes. I genuinely can’t see how people can’t be excited to be at the start of a curve. Thank god 120 years ago people were more open minded or you wouldn’t have your Fireblades.
come off it.They change the contents of the tank. Changing batteries will be changing the contents of the fairing that holds the cells. Absolutely the same thing.
I find it really bizarre how anti people are of electric bikes. I genuinely can’t see how people can’t be excited to be at the start of a curve. Thank god 120 years ago people were more open minded or you wouldn’t have your Fireblades.
so I guess you like bikes? so you like the TT? The TT is the ultimate road race, I' not anti EV. Just bikes are one of the few places it doesn't work.
In a TT, its like riding on the road, you currently wouldn't ride a bike and swap the fuel cell at a fuel station for a replacement.
Yeah I like bikes. I follow the TT, have done for the last 30-odd years. Haven’t been, probably not going to as although I like it it’s not the be-all for me but I respect it is for many bike fans. I don’t think you have to be obsessed by the TT to be a “biker”.
You don’t seem to be able to grasp that changing a fuel cell is basically what you’re doing when you fill a bike up with petrol. The only difference is the fuel has gone from a bike so you’re replenishing it back into the same ‘cell’. The principle is the same. You mentioned changing engines earlier - you do know we’re not talking about changing motors here, only the fuel that turns the motor/engine, right?
And personally I’m not particularly interested in having an electric bike, certainly not an electric Superbike but then I don’t want an ICE one either. Doesn’t mean I can’t be interested in them though and excited to see where the technology goes. But then that’s the industry I’m in and I’m pleased it’s a pretty open minded place to work or I’d find it massively restricted reading some of the closed mind comments on here!
jason61c said:
In a TT, its like riding on the road, you currently wouldn't ride a bike and swap the fuel cell at a fuel station for a replacement.
That's exactly what Honda, Yamaha, KTM and Piagio have just signed an agreement to do with battery bikes. Why would you think a race bike wouldn't? jason61c said:
RizzoTheRat said:
That's exactly what Honda, Yamaha, KTM and Piagio have just signed an agreement to do with battery bikes. Why would you think a race bike wouldn't?
you think an e-scooter would be quick around the TT!?4 major bike manufactures have signed an agreement to develop standardised swappable batteries, so there's a good chance it'll become pretty common in a few years. The down side of course will be that designs of bikes to fit a standard battery in might well become a bit samey.
BroadsRS6 said:
One more thing against electric bikes and cars. We've been told that during severe winters we have come as a nation very close to electrical supply capacity limit. Won't it be fun when 10 million people plug their vehicles in at 5 to 7 pm! When all the lorries and buses put the chargers on in unison. Lights out anyone? Lovely!
No because we currently use more electricity refining petrol and diesel than that, when that goes down spare capacity goes up. This has been known since like 2012. The national grid even released a pamphlet and made a website explaining it, but people just seem to love the other made up scenario.The amount of electricity the UK uses to refine fuel is absolutely mind-blowing, it's enough to charge 20million+ electric cars every day.
RizzoTheRat said:
Why would anyone think that?
4 major bike manufactures have signed an agreement to develop standardised swappable batteries, so there's a good chance it'll become pretty common in a few years. The down side of course will be that designs of bikes to fit a standard battery in might well become a bit samey.
But, the agreement is clearly for small commuter type stuff as it’s obvious a power source to move a super bike is slightly larger than one for a scooter. For that sort of transport it’s perfect, who cares what propels a scooter anyway? As for the fun Sunday bike, nah. 4 major bike manufactures have signed an agreement to develop standardised swappable batteries, so there's a good chance it'll become pretty common in a few years. The down side of course will be that designs of bikes to fit a standard battery in might well become a bit samey.
BroadsRS6 said:
One more thing against electric bikes and cars. We've been told that during severe winters we have come as a nation very close to electrical supply capacity limit. Won't it be fun when 10 million people plug their vehicles in at 5 to 7 pm! When all the lorries and buses put the chargers on in unison. Lights out anyone? Lovely!
You should watch the Chris Harris/Top gear interview on YouTube with the bloke from the National grid. He explains how all that is a myth and they're prepared for when we all go electric.Also I don't get this whole 'give me a ICE experience over E anyday' argument. Middle aged blokes aren't going to be a target audience, there will soon be a whole generation of motorists that will never have experienced a ICE car or bike so they won't have anything to compare it to...bar the odd classic car/bike use. Just like not many people these days long to go out for a Sunday blast on their pre war 8hp Triumph. People move on, deal with it....it's happening and I could bet my house there will be an absolute mental Electric R1 or similar in the future.
Do people still cycle and ride horses. I don’t recall that being introduced recently.
Leisure activities will remain.
And by the time an electric R1 is introduced they’ll be a few changes. If and when something is introduced it’ll have to be heavily sanitised, otherwise it’ll be killing everyone
imagine that torque on our crappy roads, cold, damp. Then, someone will realise EV can be speed limited, that’s if anyone cares about driving by then....which most under 20’s don’t appear to anyway?
EV is just the end of fun and pissing about as we know it.
Leisure activities will remain.
And by the time an electric R1 is introduced they’ll be a few changes. If and when something is introduced it’ll have to be heavily sanitised, otherwise it’ll be killing everyone
imagine that torque on our crappy roads, cold, damp. Then, someone will realise EV can be speed limited, that’s if anyone cares about driving by then....which most under 20’s don’t appear to anyway?EV is just the end of fun and pissing about as we know it.
ddom said:
RizzoTheRat said:
Why would anyone think that?
4 major bike manufactures have signed an agreement to develop standardised swappable batteries, so there's a good chance it'll become pretty common in a few years. The down side of course will be that designs of bikes to fit a standard battery in might well become a bit samey.
But, the agreement is clearly for small commuter type stuff as it’s obvious a power source to move a super bike is slightly larger than one for a scooter. For that sort of transport it’s perfect, who cares what propels a scooter anyway? As for the fun Sunday bike, nah. 4 major bike manufactures have signed an agreement to develop standardised swappable batteries, so there's a good chance it'll become pretty common in a few years. The down side of course will be that designs of bikes to fit a standard battery in might well become a bit samey.
RizzoTheRat said:
The article i saw about it was taking about several different classes, from scooters up to much bigger stuff. I agree the initial market is most likely to be commuters though.
I did wonder if it was more about a tax break, free funding or some corporate loop hole. I mean, do Honda really need help developing anything? BroadsRS6 said:
One more thing against electric bikes and cars. We've been told that during severe winters we have come as a nation very close to electrical supply capacity limit. Won't it be fun when 10 million people plug their vehicles in at 5 to 7 pm! When all the lorries and buses put the chargers on in unison. Lights out anyone? Lovely!
The bottom line is that as pure transport, any fuel will do. But my original post was mega sports bikes and NO single speed silent bike will ever, ever come close for FUN as something like my R1 or 1299 Panigale or my soon to arrive 1200 Speed triple. No way.
We can all admit that 200 bhp is more than enough on the road for a sports bike. So then, it is all about how you make the power and some ways are far better than others.
You could get 200 bhp from an electric pack. You could get it from a 2 litre diesel automatic.
Give me a screaming 1000cc-1200cc petrol manual every single time.
You say that like you'll have a choice. In 15-20 years the vast majority of cars on the road will be electric, try getting fuel for a bike after that. Another 5-10 years after that petrol cars and bikes will be relegated to classic status, and might not even be insurable for anything else, so you won't have a choice.The bottom line is that as pure transport, any fuel will do. But my original post was mega sports bikes and NO single speed silent bike will ever, ever come close for FUN as something like my R1 or 1299 Panigale or my soon to arrive 1200 Speed triple. No way.
We can all admit that 200 bhp is more than enough on the road for a sports bike. So then, it is all about how you make the power and some ways are far better than others.
You could get 200 bhp from an electric pack. You could get it from a 2 litre diesel automatic.
Give me a screaming 1000cc-1200cc petrol manual every single time.
Guys in 10 years time its going to be tax per mile to ride instead of ved, to do that they will need trackers on every single bike, trackers that know where you are and how fast your going. They wont have speed cameras or police go over the speed limit and they will know dont matter if its 2am or 2pm the next day postie will drop a fine through your letter box. Under these circumstances you all might as well be riding a (ev) honda cub..
A500leroy said:
Guys in 10 years time its going to be tax per mile to ride instead of ved, to do that they will need trackers on every single bike, trackers that know where you are and how fast your going. They wont have speed cameras or police go over the speed limit and they will know dont matter if its 2am or 2pm the next day postie will drop a fine through your letter box. Under these circumstances you all might as well be riding a (ev) honda cub..
Exactly right. The government love the idea of EV, because the technology lends itself so well to speed limiting and software.BroadsRS6 said:
Has anyone mentioned the pollution caused in making all this electricity for battery packs?
One Sunday 'paper had an article that showed immense damage to the planet from electric vehicles. It's no free lunch.
No - they never doOne Sunday 'paper had an article that showed immense damage to the planet from electric vehicles. It's no free lunch.
Just like when we were told Diesel was greener than petrol for the last 20+ years - I could literally see that it wasn't
Then surprise, surprise the soot is carcinogenic - who'd have thought
The greenest vehicle is the one you already have but that doesn't help the economy
A500leroy said:
Guys in 10 years time its going to be tax per mile to ride instead of ved, to do that they will need trackers on every single bike, trackers that know where you are and how fast your going. They wont have speed cameras or police go over the speed limit and they will know dont matter if its 2am or 2pm the next day postie will drop a fine through your letter box. Under these circumstances you all might as well be riding a (ev) honda cub..
No changes to vehicles have ever been mandated retrospectively (who'd pay to fit them to older bikes?) Front number plates on bikes, seatbelts in cars, catalytic converters etc have all been brought in from a specific date, but not backdated. If yours is from before that date..... 
If that sort of thing comes in on new ones, older vehicles will become more valuable. Like the mental values of some 40+ year old vehicles in London already because they're exempt the ULEZ......
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