Electric mega sports bikes?

[srob]

sixor8 said:

If that sort of thing comes in on new ones, older vehicles will become more valuable. Like the mental values of some 40+ year old vehicles in London already because they're exempt the ULEZ......

Difference is though they won’t keep all the petrol stations open to service half a dozen enthusiasts on R1s in the county...

[BroadsRS6]

ddom said:

We have Moto E. would you watch it in preference to GP?

Precisely. E Bikes are boring just like the E cars i have driven, no matter how fast.
Put it this way. If i was to give you a 200 bhp sports bike weighing 200 kgs, put these in the order you would choose. Thanks.

VOTE TIME FOR ALL OF YOU!

1) Petrol V4 or straight 4, 14,000 rpm, titanium con rods, lightweight valve gear and lightweight forged pistons, etc., 6 speed manual. Amazing noise, gurgly at low rpm and an absolute banshee howl above 10,000 rpm.

2) Turbo diesel. 300 lb-ft of torque. 8 speed DSG or 6 speed manual. Grunty power from low down and a bad ass voice through the rev range.

3) Electric. One speed. Silent. Erm. Power from the word go, nearly forgot the best bit.

[Kawasicki]

BroadsRS6 said:

ddom said:

We have Moto E. would you watch it in preference to GP?

Precisely. E Bikes are boring just like the E cars i have driven, no matter how fast.
Put it this way. If i was to give you a 200 bhp sports bike weighing 200 kgs, put these in the order you would choose. Thanks.

VOTE TIME FOR ALL OF YOU!

1) Petrol V4 or straight 4, 14,000 rpm, titanium con rods, lightweight valve gear and lightweight forged pistons, etc., 6 speed manual. Amazing noise, gurgly at low rpm and an absolute banshee howl above 10,000 rpm.

2) Turbo diesel. 300 lb-ft of torque. 8 speed DSG or 6 speed manual. Grunty power from low down and a bad ass voice through the rev range.

3) Electric. One speed. Silent. Erm. Power from the word go, nearly forgot the best bit.

In your example 1 above you mentioned a lot about the specification of the components. In example 2 very little about the specification. In example 3 pretty much nothing. Why is that?

[KTMsm]

Perhaps a fairer assessment...

Put the following in order of importance:

Absolute Speed
Noise
Character
Fun
Silence
Weight
Looks
Purchase price
Cost to run including depreciation
Range / ease of refuelling

[Esceptico]

KTMsm said:

Perhaps a fairer assessment...

Put the following in order of importance:

Absolute Speed
Noise
Character
Fun
Silence
Weight
Looks
Purchase price
Cost to run including depreciation
Range / ease of refuelling

You missed:

Acceleration
Handling
Restrictions on use

Currently E Bikes fair badly when compared to ICE. Too heavy, too expensive, poor range. Going forward those weaknesses should be addressed.

[srob]

Esceptico said:

You missed:

Acceleration
Handling
Restrictions on use

Currently E Bikes fair badly when compared to ICE. Too heavy, too expensive, poor range. Going forward those weaknesses should be addressed.

Yes. Otherwise compare a 1908 ICE. Makes me laugh how people compare a technology that’s less than 5 years old with tech that’s had 120 years development

[ddom]

srob said:

Yes. Otherwise compare a 1908 ICE. Makes me laugh how people compare a technology that’s less than 5 years old with tech that’s had 120 years development

Difference is people still enjoy vintage motorcycles. Will there be a vintage EV scene

[MrGman]

ddom said:

Difference is people still enjoy vintage motorcycles. Will there be a vintage EV scene

There already is

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/233925269783

[ddom]

MrGman said:

There already is

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/233925269783

[Krikkit]

srob said:

Yes. Otherwise compare a 1908 ICE. Makes me laugh how people compare a technology that’s less than 5 years old with tech that’s had 120 years development

First electric bike was patented in 1895, tech has been around for plenty of time

[graeme4130]

One day we'll look back on the slow petrol race bikes of yesteryear and miss the sound, but probably not the performance
Admittedly, E race bikes are still a long way off being decent on the track, but it's coming...

[RizzoTheRat]

graeme4130 said:

One day we'll look back on the slow petrol race bikes of yesteryear and miss the sound, but probably not the performance
Admittedly, E race bikes are still a long way off being decent on the track, but it's coming...

We already do, when did they stop racing 2 strokes?

[srob]

Krikkit said:

First electric bike was patented in 1895, tech has been around for plenty of time

If they'd had our battery technology ICE would never have come about I suspect!

[ddom]

RizzoTheRat said:

We already do, when did they stop racing 2 strokes?

They haven’t

[BroadsRS6]

Kawasicki said:

BroadsRS6 said:

ddom said:

We have Moto E. would you watch it in preference to GP?

Precisely. E Bikes are boring just like the E cars i have driven, no matter how fast.
Put it this way. If i was to give you a 200 bhp sports bike weighing 200 kgs, put these in the order you would choose. Thanks.

VOTE TIME FOR ALL OF YOU!

1) Petrol V4 or straight 4, 14,000 rpm, titanium con rods, lightweight valve gear and lightweight forged pistons, etc., 6 speed manual. Amazing noise, gurgly at low rpm and an absolute banshee howl above 10,000 rpm.

2) Turbo diesel. 300 lb-ft of torque. 8 speed DSG or 6 speed manual. Grunty power from low down and a bad ass voice through the rev range.

3) Electric. One speed. Silent. Erm. Power from the word go, nearly forgot the best bit.

In your example 1 above you mentioned a lot about the specification of the components. In example 2 very little about the specification. In example 3 pretty much nothing. Why is that?

Because they are the highlights, the things worth noting.
A bit like describing, for a dining fanatic, the good points of a great pizza or roast dinner.
Then a lettuce sandwich! There's little to mention!

[BroadsRS6]

KTMsm said:

Perhaps a fairer assessment...

Put the following in order of importance:

Absolute Speed
Noise
Character
Fun
Silence
Weight
Looks
Purchase price
Cost to run including depreciation
Range / ease of refuelling

Okay, will do. For a mega sports bike. Some of these could arguably move up or down one, for various reasons.
Let's do top 10.

Performance. Equal before long.
Handling. Maybe equal in time.
Noise. ICE every time bar none.
Fun. ICE every time bar none.
Character. ICE every time bar none.
Weight. Maybe equal in time.
Looks. Equal in time.
Purchase price. ICE for a long time yet.
Range. Not much in it.
Silence. ICE every time, who wants it in a sports bike, bar a nun or a monk fgs?

[srob]

RizzoTheRat said:

graeme4130 said:

One day we'll look back on the slow petrol race bikes of yesteryear and miss the sound, but probably not the performance
Admittedly, E race bikes are still a long way off being decent on the track, but it's coming...

We already do, when did they stop racing 2 strokes?

And bikes on open meggas!

99% of racing is mute now anyway

[srob]

BroadsRS6 said:

Okay, will do. For a mega sports bike. Some of these could arguably move up or down one, for various reasons.
Let's do top 10.

Performance. Equal before long.
Handling. Maybe equal in time.
Noise. ICE every time bar none.
Fun. ICE every time bar none.
Character. ICE every time bar none.
Weight. Maybe equal in time.
Looks. Equal in time.
Purchase price. ICE for a long time yet.
Range. Not much in it.
Silence. ICE every time, who wants it in a sports bike, bar a nun or a monk fgs?

I love it when someone decides they’re the voice of everyone and speaks as the though subjective data is objective

[KTMsm]

srob said:

I love it when someone decides they’re the voice of everyone and speaks as the though subjective data is objective

I love how you keep saying we can't judge anything yet

Electric cars / bikes are being made so we can decide whether we want to buy them now

You can ask this question in 5, 10, 20 years time and you'll likely find some have changed their mind

Currently the vast majority aren't interested in them

[srob]

KTMsm said:

srob said:

I love it when someone decides they’re the voice of everyone and speaks as the though subjective data is objective

I love how you keep saying we can't judge anything yet

Electric cars / bikes are being made so we can decide whether we want to buy them now

You can ask this question in 5, 10, 20 years time and you'll likely find some have changed their mind

Currently the vast majority aren't interested in them

Yeah but you kind of go on as though a poll on Pistonheads will decide whether you're buying an electric bike in 5, 10, 20 years time. You're going to buy what you're told to buy so you'll have two choices, basically.

The machines being built that are available to buy now are the equivalent of a 100 year old ICE bike in their development curve. When they were about the luddites all pointed out their horse was quieter, more comfy, cheaper, could go further on 10pence worth of fuel or whatever metric you want to measure against.

Many on here would've been one of those still sticking a carrot in the front of their transport but luckily some more open minded people saw benefits and pursued the technology or none of us would now have the ICE bikes we all love.

I'm not particularly pro electric, and I do love ICE bikes (have about 30 of them in our collection and no electric bikes!) but I am open minded enough to follow the development and be interested/excited to see where it goes.