Electric mega sports bikes?
Discussion
srob said:
Yeah but you kind of go on as though a poll on Pistonheads will decide whether you're buying an electric bike in 5, 10, 20 years time.
You're going to buy what you're told to buy so you'll have two choices, basically.
No I simply suggested a fairer metricYou're going to buy what you're told to buy so you'll have two choices, basically.
I've never bought what I'm told to buy
Other than when they were first invented, bikers have always had a lot more than two choices
KTMsm said:
No I simply suggested a fairer metric
I've never bought what I'm told to buy
Other than when they were first invented, bikers have always had a lot more than two choices
So if they ban ICE bike sales you're going to build your own?I've never bought what I'm told to buy
Other than when they were first invented, bikers have always had a lot more than two choices
They're heading that way with cars so it's pretty logical that bikes will follow suit. That may not be a direct ban on sales but if there's only bikes zapping around on a Sunday morning for fun you really think BP, Esso etc will keep the fuel stations open? I don't so that will effectively be you told what to buy?
RizzoTheRat said:
srob said:
you really think BP, Esso etc will keep the fuel stations open?
Anyone else remember a post apocalyptical film from the 80's with guy who was running his motorbike on methane he made from chicken s
t?Something vintage and thirsty like a big v-twin can mean you have to strap a fuel can on the back in many cases now as they'll only have a 30-40 mile range.
We will all be dead or too old to ride before a lack of petrol stations become a major problem, just because potentially all 'new' car sales will have to be electric at some point in the future there will still be tens of millions of ICE powered cars in daily use, the infrastructure isn't going to disappear overnight.
Jazoli said:
We will all be dead or too old to ride before a lack of petrol stations become a major problem, just because potentially all 'new' car sales will have to be electric at some point in the future there will still be tens of millions of ICE powered cars in daily use, the infrastructure isn't going to disappear overnight.
Definitely not overnight, I’m talking 20+ years as I plan to be riding way beyond that!
Even in my lifetime petrol stations have dried up, there was three in the town I live now there’s one. At least four villages I can think of no longer have them.
srob said:
Jazoli said:
We will all be dead or too old to ride before a lack of petrol stations become a major problem, just because potentially all 'new' car sales will have to be electric at some point in the future there will still be tens of millions of ICE powered cars in daily use, the infrastructure isn't going to disappear overnight.
Definitely not overnight, I’m talking 20+ years as I plan to be riding way beyond that!
Even in my lifetime petrol stations have dried up, there was three in the town I live now there’s one. At least four villages I can think of no longer have them.
In 20 years, I think we can expect to travel some significant distance to find a petrol station and pay a lot for the petrol when we get there.
srob said:
BroadsRS6 said:
Okay, will do. For a mega sports bike. Some of these could arguably move up or down one, for various reasons.
Let's do top 10.
Performance. Equal before long.
Handling. Maybe equal in time.
Noise. ICE every time bar none.
Fun. ICE every time bar none.
Character. ICE every time bar none.
Weight. Maybe equal in time.
Looks. Equal in time.
Purchase price. ICE for a long time yet.
Range. Not much in it.
Silence. ICE every time, who wants it in a sports bike, bar a nun or a monk fgs?
I love it when someone decides they’re the voice of everyone and speaks as the though subjective data is objective Let's do top 10.
Performance. Equal before long.
Handling. Maybe equal in time.
Noise. ICE every time bar none.
Fun. ICE every time bar none.
Character. ICE every time bar none.
Weight. Maybe equal in time.
Looks. Equal in time.
Purchase price. ICE for a long time yet.
Range. Not much in it.
Silence. ICE every time, who wants it in a sports bike, bar a nun or a monk fgs?
There again some people prefer non alcohol wine to the real stuff. Bit like silent 1 gear sports bike versus an R1. :-)
KTMsm said:
srob said:
I love it when someone decides they’re the voice of everyone and speaks as the though subjective data is objective
I love how you keep saying we can't judge anything yetElectric cars / bikes are being made so we can decide whether we want to buy them now
You can ask this question in 5, 10, 20 years time and you'll likely find some have changed their mind
Currently the vast majority aren't interested in them
The way srob talks we may as well all worry about the fact that in 100 years time we may not be allowed to exceed 50 mph anywhere and may even be forced to work within 10 miles of home.
He clearly believes that whatever happens in the future must be better than what we have now. But progress does not mean more fun, what our short life is all about.
I'm looking at buying a late 1970s Honda CBX-1000/6 from a friend when he sells his bike collection this year. NO electric bike will EVER have the sheer soul, presence and iconic sound of THAT, i assure you.
What comes next isn't always better. Sports bikes right now are the best they will ever be. Many reasons for that. Not least the woke world we are becoming.
BroadsRS6 said:
Yep, electric power for bikes is boring. Unless they are for A to B daily hauls.
The way srob talks we may as well all worry about the fact that in 100 years time we may not be allowed to exceed 50 mph anywhere and may even be forced to work within 10 miles of home.
He clearly believes that whatever happens in the future must be better than what we have now. But progress does not mean more fun, what our short life is all about.
I'm looking at buying a late 1970s Honda CBX-1000/6 from a friend when he sells his bike collection this year. NO electric bike will EVER have the sheer soul, presence and iconic sound of THAT, i assure you.
What comes next isn't always better. Sports bikes right now are the best they will ever be. Many reasons for that. Not least the woke world we are becoming.
That’s why you shouldn’t make assumptions The way srob talks we may as well all worry about the fact that in 100 years time we may not be allowed to exceed 50 mph anywhere and may even be forced to work within 10 miles of home.
He clearly believes that whatever happens in the future must be better than what we have now. But progress does not mean more fun, what our short life is all about.
I'm looking at buying a late 1970s Honda CBX-1000/6 from a friend when he sells his bike collection this year. NO electric bike will EVER have the sheer soul, presence and iconic sound of THAT, i assure you.
What comes next isn't always better. Sports bikes right now are the best they will ever be. Many reasons for that. Not least the woke world we are becoming.
Unlike you my reasonings aren’t based on what I think. I work in the automotive industry and I can tell you first hand that development of ICE has all but stopped. That isn’t any great trade secret - it’s pretty obvious if you look at any product line up of any manufacturers in the developed world.
And you won’t be able to speed in modern vehicles - the technology is already there for cars to be electronically regulated to speed limits and for any car to be switched off. Can’t see why that won’t be happening at some point, not sure when but speeding is already being pushed into that “socially unacceptable” category which is step one of stopping something. Look at smoking, drinking and other fun stuff. Young kids aren’t interested in going to the pub any more and speeding will go the same way.
Our generation will be the last that enjoy it. And I do enjoy it, just I’m not sticking my head in the sand and assuming everything’s gonna stay the same as it won’t.
As for a CBX having soul - compared to my Mk1 KTT Velocette it’s a generic boring brick. Luckily we’re not all the same, huh. I said earlier I don’t want an electric bike - I have no vested interest in it either way as I don’t want an R1 and I don’t want an electric version. I’m just saying what’s pretty clear - it’s the way the world is going.
black-k1 said:
I think that within 10 years the government (regardless of colour) will start significantly ramping up fuel tax. It shows intent for CO2 reduction and raises some short term revenue. That, in turn will dramatically reduce the demand for petrol/diesel and thus the stations that supply it.
In 20 years, I think we can expect to travel some significant distance to find a petrol station and pay a lot for the petrol when we get there.
Exactly. There won’t be an outright ban on it but it’ll just be all but banned by making it so hard to do!In 20 years, I think we can expect to travel some significant distance to find a petrol station and pay a lot for the petrol when we get there.
srob said:
black-k1 said:
I think that within 10 years the government (regardless of colour) will start significantly ramping up fuel tax. It shows intent for CO2 reduction and raises some short term revenue. That, in turn will dramatically reduce the demand for petrol/diesel and thus the stations that supply it.
In 20 years, I think we can expect to travel some significant distance to find a petrol station and pay a lot for the petrol when we get there.
Exactly. There won’t be an outright ban on it but it’ll just be all but banned by making it so hard to do!In 20 years, I think we can expect to travel some significant distance to find a petrol station and pay a lot for the petrol when we get there.
ICE engines have been used because up until
now they were the best alternative. They have lots of negatives - noisy, smelly, power depends upon revs so you need gearboxes, use flammable fuel with poor energy density, get hot so need cooling, lots of vibrations that need dampening. Doesn’t make them an ideal form of propulsion for vehicles.
now they were the best alternative. They have lots of negatives - noisy, smelly, power depends upon revs so you need gearboxes, use flammable fuel with poor energy density, get hot so need cooling, lots of vibrations that need dampening. Doesn’t make them an ideal form of propulsion for vehicles.
Esceptico said:
ICE engines have been used because up until
now they were the best alternative. They have lots of negatives - noisy, smelly, power depends upon revs so you need gearboxes, use flammable fuel with poor energy density, get hot so need cooling, lots of vibrations that need dampening. Doesn’t make them an ideal form of propulsion for vehicles.
You've just described 'character'. now they were the best alternative. They have lots of negatives - noisy, smelly, power depends upon revs so you need gearboxes, use flammable fuel with poor energy density, get hot so need cooling, lots of vibrations that need dampening. Doesn’t make them an ideal form of propulsion for vehicles.
Which is ideal.
ddom said:
Esceptico said:
ICE engines have been used because up until
now they were the best alternative. They have lots of negatives - noisy, smelly, power depends upon revs so you need gearboxes, use flammable fuel with poor energy density, get hot so need cooling, lots of vibrations that need dampening. Doesn’t make them an ideal form of propulsion for vehicles.
You've just described 'character'. now they were the best alternative. They have lots of negatives - noisy, smelly, power depends upon revs so you need gearboxes, use flammable fuel with poor energy density, get hot so need cooling, lots of vibrations that need dampening. Doesn’t make them an ideal form of propulsion for vehicles.
Which is ideal.
If you stop to think it is what you are brought up with. Otherwise how can you explain that all humans have the same taste buds but cuisines around the world vary so much and what will get (say) someone from China all misty eyed and salivating would make many Brits rather nervous.
srob said:
black-k1 said:
I think that within 10 years the government (regardless of colour) will start significantly ramping up fuel tax. It shows intent for CO2 reduction and raises some short term revenue. That, in turn will dramatically reduce the demand for petrol/diesel and thus the stations that supply it.
In 20 years, I think we can expect to travel some significant distance to find a petrol station and pay a lot for the petrol when we get there.
Exactly. There won’t be an outright ban on it but it’ll just be all but banned by making it so hard to do!In 20 years, I think we can expect to travel some significant distance to find a petrol station and pay a lot for the petrol when we get there.
Synthetic fuels are proving to be very economical from an environmental perspective, and we're another 14 years away from the ban on new car ICE as yet. I'm sure stations will be slightly reduced in frequency, but there will still be plenty about. By that point you might be able to just buy a drum to keep at home anyway, or small co-op and community stations.
Hell you might even be able to generate your own at home with a solar array once the tech has matured in 20 years.
Jazoli said:
We will all be dead or too old to ride before a lack of petrol stations become a major problem, just because potentially all 'new' car sales will have to be electric at some point in the future there will still be tens of millions of ICE powered cars in daily use, the infrastructure isn't going to disappear overnight.
Absolutely. The dreary among us would be happy with silent, one speed sports bikes, limited to 55 mph as all vehicles likely will be one day as ''safety'' takes hold of everything in our lives and paying £1 a mile for the right to be out there.Sometimes what you have now is best.
In any case improvement in anything is sharp for a while then eventually flattens off. Look at anything in life from the 100 metres world record, to the top speed of sports bikes. The improvements in the last 20 years are negligible. Bikes were doing almost 200 mph 20 years ago and only a fraction more now. 0-100 mph the same situation.
Clinical, silent, 1 gear sports bike? You go for it. I'll take my new 1200 or a Panigale V4/V2 every single time thanks.
srob said:
As for a CBX having soul - compared to my Mk1 KTT Velocette it’s a generic boring brick.
Well that shows that you seriously haven't got a clue! Wherever you work. I am a boat restorer by trade including the engines and my father was an Aston Martin mechanic for 20 years. So what?If you actually believe that and are not being silly for the sake of it!
A Velocette is about as useful a road bike as a Sinclair C5. Soul? Do me a favour. I had a CBX and they have an incredible sound to die for when fitted with an apt exhaust system. The smooth 6 pot is something to behold and the design was so different to anything we saw or have seen in a mass produced bike.
That Velo could be ANY old single, a bone shaker that removes fillings as you ride, pathetic performance and brakes and tyres to keep you honest above 30 mph. Don't be bloody ridiculous.
When my very old father passes i will get his 7-bike collection, which includes a 1957 BSA Gold Star DBD34 in 'Clubmans' trim. For a ancient single that is a pretty good bike, but a CBX offers much more soul. A straight 6 motorcycle is unique. A single ain't!
Edited by BroadsRS6 on Saturday 13th March 07:31
srob said:
black-k1 said:
I think that within 10 years the government (regardless of colour) will start significantly ramping up fuel tax. It shows intent for CO2 reduction and raises some short term revenue. That, in turn will dramatically reduce the demand for petrol/diesel and thus the stations that supply it.
In 20 years, I think we can expect to travel some significant distance to find a petrol station and pay a lot for the petrol when we get there.
Exactly. There won’t be an outright ban on it but it’ll just be all but banned by making it so hard to do!In 20 years, I think we can expect to travel some significant distance to find a petrol station and pay a lot for the petrol when we get there.
:-)
ddom said:
Esceptico said:
ICE engines have been used because up until
now they were the best alternative. They have lots of negatives - noisy, smelly, power depends upon revs so you need gearboxes, use flammable fuel with poor energy density, get hot so need cooling, lots of vibrations that need dampening. Doesn’t make them an ideal form of propulsion for vehicles.
You've just described 'character'. now they were the best alternative. They have lots of negatives - noisy, smelly, power depends upon revs so you need gearboxes, use flammable fuel with poor energy density, get hot so need cooling, lots of vibrations that need dampening. Doesn’t make them an ideal form of propulsion for vehicles.
Which is ideal.
When motorcycles become simply a way of getting around and nothing more, motorcycling is DEAD. I am just pleased i have had 27 years and around 500,000 miles on bikes that have always been fast and fun. I do the boring stuff by car, bikes are all about speed and fun for me.
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