Electric mega sports bikes?

[Bob_Defly]

It amazes me how people don't understand the pace of technology. The switch to 'e' everything will happen much faster than people think, exciting sounds or not.

And once the petrol station network is replaced with fast charging points, finding fuel will be a PITA.

The same thing happened with the switch from horses to cars. Battery tech is moving in all the right directions, faster, lighter, cheaper, easier to mass produce etc.



https://www.tnp.no/norway/panorama/this-gas-statio...

The charging network is slow progress, but it will accelerate.

[MrGman]

jason61c said:

there's a lot of 'e' plonkers on here.

There's no way an electric bike will lap the tt course faster than a super bike in a proper 6 lap super bike race in the next 10 years. Thats the point. Thats why we've all got bikes(apart from a few posters in this thread).

I’d happily put money that in ten years the fastest lapping bikes will be electric/hybrid

[V1nce Fox]

I think theyre a great excuse to perpetuate n+1.

[ddom]

MrGman said:

I’d happily put money that in ten years the fastest lapping bikes will be electric/hybrid

I'll put money on an e-bike never beating ICE in endurance races

[MrGman]

ddom said:

I'll put money on an e-bike never beating ICE in endurance races

Even with replaceable batteries? What does a race bike do? 80 miles to a tank? I can see that being possible in years to come.

As Bob said above, the pace of technology is remarkable and will only be getting faster and faster.

I wonder how much future development we’ll see in ICE engines now?

[take-good-care-of-the-forest-dewey]

jason61c said:

there's a lot of 'e' plonkers on here.

There's no way an electric bike will lap the tt course faster than a super bike in a proper 6 lap super bike race in the next 10 years. Thats the point. Thats why we've all got bikes(apart from a few posters in this thread).

I'll take that bet...

50 quid to the winners chosen charity.

[jjwilde]

I'll take the bet too, in 10 years electric bikes will be destroying ICE bikes.

[jason61c]

happy with the bet!

so inside 10 years, an all electric bike is quicker over a 6 lap super bike race than a combustion engine?

NO swapping battery packs!

[MrGman]

jason61c said:

happy with the bet!

so inside 10 years, an all electric bike is quicker over a 6 lap super bike race than a combustion engine?

NO swapping battery packs!

Why no swapping? Don’t the bikes refuel??


That’s 226miles, not many ICE production bikes could do that within the speed limit.

Edited by MrGman on Saturday 6th March 19:49

[ddom]

jjwilde said:

I'll take the bet too, in 10 years electric bikes will be destroying ICE bikes.

In every metric other than what makes a bike worth owning. E-bikes are pointless, soulless and very, very boring.

[MrGman]

I’m neither for or against electric but how can so many have such strong opinions without having ridden them?

It was like it when quickshifters came about, all you same lot were saying how it would take away connection from the bike, £10 says most of you all have them and use them now.

[take-good-care-of-the-forest-dewey]

jason61c said:

happy with the bet!

so inside 10 years, an all electric bike is quicker over a 6 lap super bike race than a combustion engine?

NO swapping battery packs!

But the Dino juice bikes get to refuel? You're not comparing like with like now. Wagstaff's bike went up in flames in 2013 or 14.

To make it fair, lap and total race time has be faster.

[graeme4130]

MrGman said:

jason61c said:

there's a lot of 'e' plonkers on here.

There's no way an electric bike will lap the tt course faster than a super bike in a proper 6 lap super bike race in the next 10 years. Thats the point. Thats why we've all got bikes(apart from a few posters in this thread).

I’d happily put money that in ten years the fastest lapping bikes will be electric/hybrid

I'd also put money on Electric bikes being faster than super bikes round a circuit within 10 years, but probably not with the range or battery changing ability to do the TT
Saying that, i doubt the TT will be here in 10years time, so it's academic

[ddom]

MrGman said:

I’m neither for or against electric but how can so many have such strong opinions without having ridden them?

It was like it when quickshifters came about, all you same lot were saying how it would take away connection from the bike, £10 says most of you all have them and use them now.

That's a stretch. A shifter just enables you swap cogs, it's adding to the ICE experience. Personally I don't want to ride one. I have tried an i3 and dodgems when younger How can a triple, a V-Twin, flat plane crank be replaced by an electric motor and software?

[Esceptico]

ddom said:

Electric bikes are even worse than electric cars. Remove the USP (the interesting engine) and there’s a frame, pair of wheels and some clocks. It’s a very limited area ti stamp your manufacture vision upon? All the bikes with a battery will accelerate the same, sound and feel the same. The extra weight will ruin the dynamics and it’s likely they’ll all need wider tyres and other compromises. There’s no aftermarket scene, apart from a branded plug adapter and after you’ve done a few standing starts you’re left with a very big twist and go. Pick one, any of them and PX it in six months for a different brand. It’s the antithesis of motorcycling IMO.

Sounds like the antithesis of your type of motorcycling. I’m sure it applies to others that like tinkering with their machines,
or are into the lifestyle or image aspects of current bikes, etc. However there are others that enjoy riding for the freedom it gives, the acceleration, handling and speed. If those can be replicated or bettered by E bikes I would still ride.

Personally I think biking as a hobby faces much more significant problems eg road quality, speed cameras, people on their phones, dash cam warriors, theft, young people not taking it up,
restrictions on noise, general anti bike feelings amongst the public, etc.

Maybe e bikes will be awful. I am willing to suspend judgement for a few years to see how they develop.

Assuming ICE bikes are not banned I can’t see it as a problem for me as there are loads of existing, old bikes I would happily own even if they stopped making new ICE bikes today.
I doubt that within the next twenty years (by when I will have given up riding) they will stop selling petrol as there is going to be a long tail of people driving ICE or hybrid cars before everyone switches to electric.

[ddom]

Esceptico said:

Sounds like the antithesis of your type of motorcycling. I’m sure it applies to others that like tinkering with their machines,
or are into the lifestyle or image aspects of current bikes, etc. However there are others that enjoy riding for the freedom it gives, the acceleration, handling and speed. If those can be replicated or bettered by E bikes I would still ride.

Personally I think biking as a hobby faces much more significant problems eg road quality, speed cameras, people on their phones, dash cam warriors, theft, young people not taking it up,
restrictions on noise, general anti bike feelings amongst the public, etc.

Maybe e bikes will be awful. I am willing to suspend judgement for a few years to see how they develop.

Assuming ICE bikes are not banned I can’t see it as a problem for me as there are loads of existing, old bikes I would happily own even if they stopped making new ICE bikes today.
I doubt that within the next twenty years (by when I will have given up riding) they will stop selling petrol as there is going to be a long tail of people driving ICE or hybrid cars before everyone switches to electric.

So you bought a Tuono, Desmo. Why not a UJM instead?

[Esceptico]

ddom said:

So you bought a Tuono, Desmo. Why not a UJM instead?

I’ve had Japanese bikes - 2 x GSX-750,
ZX6R. Lots of Japanese bikes I would own if I had more space - early R1, R7, GSXR-1000, Fireblade.

[jason61c]

MrGman said:

Why no swapping? Don’t the bikes refuel??


That’s 226miles, not many ICE production bikes could do that within the speed limit.

Edited by MrGman on Saturday 6th March 19:49

yes they refuel, they don't swap fuel tanks.

because that s how you ride on the road.

[jason61c]

take-good-care-of-the-forest-dewey said:

But the Dino juice bikes get to refuel? You're not comparing like with like now. Wagstaff's bike went up in flames in 2013 or 14.

To make it fair, lap and total race time has be faster.

No, tis a race. 6 laps.

otherwise the proper race bikes would run fuel for 1 lap with an engine that'll do one lap, at which point they'd change etc.

[srob]

jason61c said:

yes they refuel, they don't swap fuel tanks.

because that s how you ride on the road.

What are you going on about?

They change the contents of the tank. Changing batteries will be changing the contents of the fairing that holds the cells. Absolutely the same thing.

I find it really bizarre how anti people are of electric bikes. I genuinely can’t see how people can’t be excited to be at the start of a curve. Thank god 120 years ago people were more open minded or you wouldn’t have your Fireblades.